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Hey eleannaDDS,

I'm also a Canadian that applied to UWO this year but was put on the waitlist and never accepted. I've received a deferred acceptance to a school in the States for the class of 2006 but I am starting to rethink my decision to go because of the astronomical cost for dental school in the U.S. I'm thinking of reapplying at Western this year and since you got into UWO, I was hoping that you might be able to answer a few questions that I have. First of all, what are your initial impressions of the school now that you have begun? Is there anything that you have discovered about the school that has really disappointed you? I read in one of your previous posts that you have friends at american schools, which schools and what do they tell you about them? Finally, you say that there are a number of students in your class that took a year off school, did they work in unrelated fields or did they continue to try and make their applications stronger? I ask this since I am trying to determine what to do with this year.

thanks,

DDS2006
 
Hi DDS2006,

It's too bad that we weren't able to have you in our class this year. We welcomed a new student to the Class of 2005 only yesterday - he wasn't admitted from the waiting list until the first day of lectures. I definitely encourage you to apply again for September 2002 if you didn't get in the first time around! Admission to the entering class always depends on the applicant pool during that cycle, so things may shift into your favour next year. How did you do on your interview in April? It is my understanding that many students applied more than once before they were accepted into UWO School of Dentistry, so there's always the second try... it just means a little more waiting, that's all.

But anyways, here's the scoop on the dental school here: The curriculum is heavily clinical and patient-based in nature, which means less time in a lecture room and more time at the chair in clinics. In contrast, U of T and some other schools are more didactic overall. A lot of comparisons are drawn between the DDS programs at U of T and at UWO since they are the only two dental schools in Ontario. It's not to say that one is better than the other (U of T is an excellent school with many graduate specialities), but it's best to join one that is more suited for the way you prefer to learn. Which US dental school did you defer admission to until next year? I personally believe that a school with a strong clinical program produces more competent clinicians for private practice, unless one plans to go into research instead. In terms of patient pool, third- and fourth-year dental students at UWO are exposed to a wider variety of patients with complex oral health problems. Since there are only two specialty programs (oral path and ortho), difficult cases are not taken and transferred to the graduate student patient pool like they are at other schools. Rather, they are dealt with by the students in the DDS program since patients cannot easily be referred to the dental specialists in the adjoining University Hospital due to lack of immediate appointments and higher fees there. It is a definite advantage to have more experience in creating complex treatment plans. The student body is quite small (class size is only 53) so you will become aquainted with many upper-year students. There is also a colleague system where old tests and notes are passed down year-to-year.

Disadvantages? Tuition was raised slightly to CDN $15 600 this year, which I believe is the second highest is Canada, but is obviously still lower than if you were to attend an American dental school. Including instruments, you're anticipating > $22 000 per year, plus additional clinic supplies like loupes. However, if you were were planning to go to a private school next year, your facilities will most probably reflect the amount that you pay. I think that some of the US schools have private operatories, which is something you won't see in Canadian dental schools, which are all publically-assisted (except U. Sask). Regardless of where you go, you will receive a pretty standard education, unless the first-year program is integrated into the medical school (which is the case at McGill: where they don't take any dentistry courses until the end of the first academic year). For your purposes, all UWO DDS classes are specifically geared towards the profession and are taught within the faculty. If you're planning on practicing in the US, I doubt that you will really get any dramatic advantage from going to the States. The only other disadvantage that I can really think of right now is the fact that the dental school delayed the first session of Operative Dentistry by one week due to renovations in the preclinical lab. But then again, that probably won't happen next year. Also, the renovations relate to the completion of Phase I of a $5M project to bring newer facilities into the Dental Sciences Building. These include a new research addition, new clinic entrance/reception area and expanded clinical facilities. There is also a simulation clinic for use by first- and second-years. It wasn't too much of a delay in all; we started class and received our instruments yesterday and will be in the sim clinic cutting teeth next week.

Most students who took a year off between undergrad and dental school did some sort of graduate work. Others did work in a related field (dental claims, dental office) or went on an exchange program overseas. The majority of the class came straight from another university program (completing between 2-4 years).

That's quite a bit, so I hope that I've answered all your questions. If you have any additional ones, just let me know. Good luck!
 
*LOL* I think that I wrote a novel. Hope it helps though 🙂
 
Wow, thanks for all the great info eleannaDDS!

I sent you a private message, hope you get it.
 
HI Eleanna,
Your advise to all us going through the rigours of applying is soo appreciated.
I, like so many others wish to apply to dental school, namely UofT, UWO (first choice), McGill and in the US probably Buffalo, NJ and Connecticut. But for obvious reasons I would love to get into UWO.

The thing is that I was planning to apply so that I could gain admission after completing second yr, but after getting some advice from ppl currently in the prgm, I decided against it. The reason being that to gain admission after 2 yrs is incredibly difficult. So, Im doing one more yr at York and then going to apply. I was wondering if there's any tips you could give regarding the application process and perhaps a bit of an background on yourself, just to see where we all stand. Also, regarding the DAT TEST, i took it 2 yrs ago and scored pretty well on all components. My highest score was 23 in reading and lowest was 14 in carving with the bio and chem and pat all at 19. With this DAT score, would you recommend retaking the DAT (which i'll probably end up doing this November) and would you happen to know any info on the US schools I mentioned??
Thanks Again,
CLARK


Originally posted by eleannaDDS:
•Hi DDS2006,

It's too bad that we weren't able to have you in our class this year. We welcomed a new student to the Class of 2005 only yesterday - he wasn't admitted from the waiting list until the first day of lectures. I definitely encourage you to apply again for September 2002 if you didn't get in the first time around! Admission to the entering class always depends on the applicant pool during that cycle, so things may shift into your favour next year. How did you do on your interview in April? It is my understanding that many students applied more than once before they were accepted into UWO School of Dentistry, so there's always the second try... it just means a little more waiting, that's all.

But anyways, here's the scoop on the dental school here: The curriculum is heavily clinical and patient-based in nature, which means less time in a lecture room and more time at the chair in clinics. In contrast, U of T and some other schools are more didactic overall. A lot of comparisons are drawn between the DDS programs at U of T and at UWO since they are the only two dental schools in Ontario. It's not to say that one is better than the other (U of T is an excellent school with many graduate specialities), but it's best to join one that is more suited for the way you prefer to learn. Which US dental school did you defer admission to until next year? I personally believe that a school with a strong clinical program produces more competent clinicians for private practice, unless one plans to go into research instead. In terms of patient pool, third- and fourth-year dental students at UWO are exposed to a wider variety of patients with complex oral health problems. Since there are only two specialty programs (oral path and ortho), difficult cases are not taken and transferred to the graduate student patient pool like they are at other schools. Rather, they are dealt with by the students in the DDS program since patients cannot easily be referred to the dental specialists in the adjoining University Hospital due to lack of immediate appointments and higher fees there. It is a definite advantage to have more experience in creating complex treatment plans. The student body is quite small (class size is only 53) so you will become aquainted with many upper-year students. There is also a colleague system where old tests and notes are passed down year-to-year.

Disadvantages? Tuition was raised slightly to CDN $15 600 this year, which I believe is the second highest is Canada, but is obviously still lower than if you were to attend an American dental school. Including instruments, you're anticipating > $22 000 per year, plus additional clinic supplies like loupes. However, if you were were planning to go to a private school next year, your facilities will most probably reflect the amount that you pay. I think that some of the US schools have private operatories, which is something you won't see in Canadian dental schools, which are all publically-assisted (except U. Sask). Regardless of where you go, you will receive a pretty standard education, unless the first-year program is integrated into the medical school (which is the case at McGill: where they don't take any dentistry courses until the end of the first academic year). For your purposes, all UWO DDS classes are specifically geared towards the profession and are taught within the faculty. If you're planning on practicing in the US, I doubt that you will really get any dramatic advantage from going to the States. The only other disadvantage that I can really think of right now is the fact that the dental school delayed the first session of Operative Dentistry by one week due to renovations in the preclinical lab. But then again, that probably won't happen next year. Also, the renovations relate to the completion of Phase I of a $5M project to bring newer facilities into the Dental Sciences Building. These include a new research addition, new clinic entrance/reception area and expanded clinical facilities. There is also a simulation clinic for use by first- and second-years. It wasn't too much of a delay in all; we started class and received our instruments yesterday and will be in the sim clinic cutting teeth next week.

Most students who took a year off between undergrad and dental school did some sort of graduate work. Others did work in a related field (dental claims, dental office) or went on an exchange program overseas. The majority of the class came straight from another university program (completing between 2-4 years).

That's quite a bit, so I hope that I've answered all your questions. If you have any additional ones, just let me know. Good luck!•

😀
 
Clark,

I don't know if you made a typo, but if you wrote the DAT two years ago, you MUST rewrite the test this November. DAT marks are only good for two years preceding the year of matriculation (ie 2002) at Western.
If you wrote it more recently however, I would recommend not rewriting it unless you're sure you can do better, and that it won't affect your marks on any of the courses you are taking. I had similar DAT scores as you, and I was told by a UWO school official not to bother retaking it because I already had acceptable scores for an interview. Once you've gotten that far, less emphasis is placed on your DAT scores and much more on your Interview performance as well as academic average.

By the way, I've heard really good things about Buffalo's school of Dentistry (if you don't mind living in Buffalo), except for problems with the DVD curriculum (many student complaints). As for UCONN, if you look through the posts on SDN, you'll see that it has a very good reputation. I don't really know much about NJ, sorry.

DDS2006
 
Hi, everyone...well first week of orientations are done here at Univerisity of Toronoto, dentistry. So far my impression is very good. The class is very outgoing and toronto is just an amazing place. Don't know how competitive its going to be but that is just a fact of life. Anyways, Our frist term is a breeze and only have like 2 tests, but things pick up in second term.
The school itself is very nice and is seperate from the main campus. Its not as nice as Buffalo but it will due, (cost is much less!). We had lunch with the dean and the faculty, and let me tell you they definitely treat everyone in the class like professionals.
My first choice was U of T, then western and then buffalo. I am sure the other two schools are just as fun. However, at western really couldnt tell where the dental school was. However, I do know a new building is under construction.
Good luck to everyone and have a properous year.
 
DDS2006> I don't have your private message in front of me, so I hope that I'm able to address your additional questions about UWO. If you believe that a special year may help, I would go ahead and take extra courses. But make sure that you choose some upper-level biological science courses and that the ones you select, you will be able to do well in academically. If not, it could actually adversely affect your application. As for what Dr. S said regarding your stats, he's right. Your GPA and DAT scores must have been in the top 175 out of the 400 students who apply, so chances are, you may be selected for an interview again this year if the applicant pool is comparable. One word of caution is that the average is a 3.8... so in order to get accepted into the School of Dentistry at Western with around a 3.6 (according to their calculations), you will have to do extremely well on both the DAT and the interview. This is not the easiest thing to achieve since the interview at UWO is supposedly "challenging", but it's definitely achievable. The admissions committee considers the interview a really important component of the application process. All dental schools in the U.S. and Canada have it, with the exception of U of T, which accepts individuals primarily on GPA. No wonder their students are so competitive! Here at Western, you will find that most of the dental students are really friendly. Like I mentioned before, notes and old tests are passed around freely and the profs do what they can to help you succeed. It's amazing when profs tell you that they consider you their "junior colleagues". In terms the interview itself, different questions are asked each year, so it's difficult to say what they will ask you this year and what they specifically want. Since you attended the last set of interviews, you should have a pretty good idea of the whole setup. Try to stay calm and always be truthful. What they want to do is assess whether you are responsible, hardworking, organized and trustworthy, and you can't really get the answers from anywhere other than your past experiences. To be honest with you, I can't even remember what the questions were. All I remember doing was staying relaxed and giving frank, honest answers to their case scenarios. So that's the bottom line: know yourself and let your confidence shine through. You've worked hard to get there!
 
Hey eleanna DDS,

I am really, really interested in UWO. You mentioned that the average GPA is 3.8. Now, is that calculated using the same scale as U of T and McGill (85+ = 4) or the OMSAS scale (90+ = 4, 85-89 = 3.9)? Just curious because it does make a big difference.

Thanks
 
I think I can answer the last post. Western uses the OMSAS scale for GPA. So, it may make a difference.
Also U of T, this year is having interviews, so this will replace the essay component worth 20%. The interview will be in the similar format to Westerns (Structured, eg. case scenerios).

Good Luck
 
I think that Lucus is answering all my questions *lol* Are you enjoying dentistry at U of T? 🙂

Anyhow, like I said, both U of T and Western are great schools... it just depends on what aspect of dentistry you're looking to focus on during your training as a dentist. I believed that it would be more advantageous to have a solid clinical background, in which Western has a strong reputation. I guess that's how I ended up where I am! For those of you interested in UWO, you can look forward to drilling cavity preparations and waxing up maxillary central incisors in your second week of the program. It's amazing to be doing all of this shortly after school starts.

Western does use a 4.0 scale and the average is calculated from your two best years of undergraduate work, excluding summer courses. The DAT component is calculated as a "composite score" - individual scores from all five parts of the Canadian DAT are added together to give a numerical value out of 150.

Hope that helps!
 
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