quitting residency

[Humble Sloth]

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Unfortunately it just opens the doors to the same opportunities the previous generation was afforded without residency required. The whole PharmD, PGY1 paradigm shift was supposed to usher in the area of new clinical jobs, but those have largely failed to materialize. This is just the new normal and it kind of sucks.

no if this was the new normal it wouldn't be absolutely terrible. But it's just the beginning. Starting in 2020 you will truely see what a popped bubble looks like. "clinical pharmacists" will be going back to nursing school just to get a job wiping geriatrics butts.

 

[pharmadentist]

"clinical pharmacy's importance cannot be understated"

oh my. You really drank up the kool aid they gave you eh kid? you got a lot to learn. You will realize the truth once you are out in the "clinical pharmacy industry". Doctors do not give one ---- about a clinical pharmacist's suggestions. MTM and provider status never took off and will NEVER take off. They are a pipe dream designed to increase pharmD enrollment in a hyper saturated environment.

But let's be real here, the PGY certificate is an extremeley respected qualification. If you have that, job opportunities increase 10 fold. Whether it actually means something or not doesn't matter..

 

[Humble Sloth]

But let's be real here, the PGY certificate is an extremeley respected qualification. If you have that, job opportunities increase 10 fold. Whether it actually means something or not doesn't matter..

"extremeley respected qualification" respected by who?

Other pharmD will see you as a fool who was too scared/nervous to go into retail or worse unable to find a job so you extended your job search by entering a near useless "residency" where all you do is make *****ic powerpoint's about soft science issues like how to increase complacence in geriatric populations.

PGY1,2,3 = busy work

you will make less money afterwards and you are losing money in productivity costs during residency. Residency is for people too stupid to get into medical school that want to be doctors. Know your place a pill counter.
it is not the same as a real medical school residency.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

Starting in 2020 you will truely see what a popped bubble looks like. "clinical pharmacists" will be going back to nursing school just to get a job wiping geriatrics butts.

You sound like someone who is really salty about not getting a hospital gig.

 

[confettiflyer]

if the oppoprtunities are new, and only attainable by PGY, then why is it that half of the residency directors never did one themselves? Many of them aren't even Pharm.D.

(not knocking BSPharm, it only goes to show what a ripoff residency is)

That's like asking why baby boomers were able to wait tables in college and graduate debt free.

 

[Leper Messiah]

That's like asking why baby boomers were able to wait tables in college and graduate debt free.

We can't change the fact that baby boomers had much better career prospects than millennials, but the point is that we need to stop allowing the academic industrial complex to brainwash students into thinking this kind of nonsense and opportunity cost is necessary. At what point do we stand up as professionals and collectively refuse to do residency? If we don't, residency truly will become the new norm.

 

[gwarm01]

We can't change the fact that baby boomers had much better career prospects than millennials, but the point is that we need to stop allowing the academic industrial complex to brainwash students into thinking this kind of nonsense and opportunity cost is necessary. At what point do we stand up as professionals and collectively refuse to do residency? If we don't, residency truly will become the new norm.

I think that ship has long since sailed. Let's just hope the profession doesn't let the trend continue where a community PGY1 is required to work for CVS, PGY2 for hospital basement staffing, and a PGY3 to receive access to the hospital telephone for the privilege of calling doctors.

Who am I kidding? Pharmacy attracts people who want to play it safe, keep their heads down, and do what they are told. The next generation will probably end up paying tuition fees to be a resident and will love it.

 

[Nguyen]

I'm going to do a PGY-4


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[BenJammin]

I've said this once before and I'll say it again. 10 years from now CVS and Walgreens will have residencies for staff positions and will not hire pharmacists fresh from school without one, hospital PGY 1s will pay a tuition for their year of work, and they will do so with a smile on their face.

You guys had the chance to stop the residency scam when it started but you all said no. Now accept the low pay and long hours, you deserve it.

 

[awval999]

I've said this once before and I'll say it again. 10 years from now CVS and Walgreens will have residencies for staff positions and will not hire pharmacists fresh from school without one, hospital PGY 1s will pay a tuition for their year of work, and they will do so with a smile on their face.

You guys had the chance to stop the residency scam when it started but you all said no. Now accept the low pay and long hours, you deserve it.

No way PGY-1s will pay tuition.

You're spot on about the PGY-1 for community though. It'll be the "track" for PIC. Easy peasy there for WAG and CVS.

 

[confettiflyer]

There are still many good students worth recruiting that a competitive stipend is a useful recruiting tool. Likely will be the same in 10 years....growth of applicants on the lower end of the pool doesn't change this.


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[Dred Pirate]

why do these threads always devolve into - is a residency worth it, are we being scammed, etc? To answer the OP's questions - suck it up and finish. You DO NOT want to explain to any future employers why you quit? An unfinished residency is a scarlet letter on your resume (if the younger generation even knows what that means). Quitting a residency is 10x worse than never doing one

 

[Topcat15]

No way PGY-1s will pay tuition.

I could see it happening. My boyfriend had a classmate who was sending emails out to PGY1 programs asking if anyone had quit their programs, and if so, could he come work for free in those spots. It's not much of a leap to imagine someone being willing to pay to do it. There are some terribly naive and desperate pharmacy students out there.

 

[Humble Sloth]

if the younger generation even knows what that means

Top kek

 

[CMUchicka]

"extremeley respected qualification" respected by who?

Other pharmD will see you as a fool who was too scared/nervous to go into retail or worse unable to find a job so you extended your job search by entering a near useless "residency" where all you do is make *****ic powerpoint's about soft science issues like how to increase complacence in geriatric populations.

PGY1,2,3 = busy work

you will make less money afterwards and you are losing money in productivity costs during residency. Residency is for people too stupid to get into medical school that want to be doctors. Know your place a pill counter.
it is not the same as a real medical school residency.

This post is on point! I wish some of my classmate would read this because they sure are living in bubble. Some of the advisors are pushing people into doing residency, may be to improve schools stats?