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The Surgery Center of Oklahoma is obliterating its state-subsidized competitors by providing superior healthcare at a fraction of the cost, providing a model that could make "The Affordable Health Care Act" irrelevant:

http://www.surgerycenterok.com/

It is no secret to anyone that the pricing of surgical services is at the top of the list of problems in our dysfunctional healthcare system. Bureaucracy at the insurance and hospital levels, cost shifting and the absence of free market principles are among the culprits for what has caused surgical care in the United States to be cost prohibitive. As more and more patients find themselves paying more and more out of pocket, it is clear that something must change. We believe that a very different approach is necessary, one involving transparent and direct pricing.

Transparent, direct, package pricing means the patient knows exactly what the cost of the service will be upfront. Fees for the surgeon, anesthesiologist and facility are all included in one low price. There are no hidden costs, charges or surprises.

The pricing outlined on this website is not a teaser, nor is it a bait-and-switch ploy. It is the actual price you will pay. We can offer these prices because we are completely physician-owned and managed. We control every aspect of the facility from real estate costs, to the most efficient use of staff, to the elimination of wasteful operating room practices that non-profit hospitals have no incentive to curb. We are truly committed to providing the best quality care at the lowest possible price.

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[Eiot]

Good on them.

 

[NickNaylor]

Riiiiiiiiight.

So what this practice is actually doing is just listing the prices that uninsured patients will pay. That's cool and all, but this isn't some kind of revolutionary development that's sticking it to the man and cutting through bureaucracy. If you're uninsured - which are the only people that would care about this anyway - there already isn't any bureaucracy because you simply receive a bill in the mail after you receive your care and work out a way to pay the balance (or not). Rather than having a surprise when you receive that bill as is usually the case, this practice is nice enough to tell you what it is upfront.

Exactly zero bureaucracy is being eliminated. Notice how at the top of their pricing page that those prices do not apply to those with insurance. That's where this real "bureaucracy" you're so worried about is.

 

[HopefulSlav]

I posted a video on the same place and I got trolled by the pro-obamacare users on here.

 

[HopefulSlav]

Riiiiiiiiight.

So what this practice is actually doing is just listing the prices that uninsured patients will pay. That's cool and all, but this isn't some kind of revolutionary development that's sticking it to the man and cutting through bureaucracy. If you're uninsured - which are the only people that would care about this anyway - there already isn't any bureaucracy because you simply receive a bill in the mail after you receive your care and work out a way to pay the balance (or not). Rather than having a surprise when you receive that bill as is usually the case, this practice is nice enough to tell you what it is upfront.

Exactly zero bureaucracy is being eliminated. Notice how at the top of their pricing page that those prices do not apply to those with insurance. That's where this real "bureaucracy" you're so worried about is.

Many insurance providers have zero copay if you go to that surgery center because they will pay a lot less compared to the hospital across town.

 

[plumazul]

Many insurance providers have zero copay if you go to that surgery center because they will pay a lot less compared to the hospital across town.

😕 Are you sure you understand how health insurance works?

 

[NickNaylor]

😕 Are you sure you understand how health insurance works?

Yeah... no joke.

 

[deleted393595]

The Surgery Center of Oklahoma is obliterating its state-subsidized competitors by providing superior healthcare at a fraction of the cost, providing a model that could make "The Affordable Health Care Act" irrelevant:

http://www.surgerycenterok.com/

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Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0od6RZDOtk
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NHS hospital apologise to 38 families after patients starve to death on the ward

If other surgery centers that say no to Medicare and insurance start popping up across the US, you can be sure that the government is going to find some way to get their filthy hands in them, and you can be sure that the American Hospital Association is going to do its best to use its lobbying power to keep them constrained (Eg. Just look at what they did to physician owned hospitals)

Riiiiiiiiight.

So what this practice is actually doing is just listing the prices that uninsured patients will pay. That's cool and all, but this isn't some kind of revolutionary development that's sticking it to the man and cutting through bureaucracy.

You missed the point. He does not take Medicare, he does not take Medicaid, and he does not take insurance. He essentially, does not accept 3rd party payers, except for workers comp. The revolutionary aspect is how well they've managed to make it work by:

1) Kicking out government and insurance - so less money wasted on coding and billing
2) Cutting prices sharply for patients
3) Succeeding so well at it

Exactly zero bureaucracy is being eliminated. Notice how at the top of their pricing page that those prices do not apply to those with insurance. That's where this real "bureaucracy" you're so worried about is.

Once again, he slammed the door shut on insurance. He does check or cash or credit card only.

 

[plumazul]

If other surgery centers that say no to Medicare and insurance start popping up across the US, you can be sure that the government is going to find some way to get their filthy hands in them, and you can be sure that the American Hospital Association is going to do its best to use its lobbying power to keep them constrained (Eg. Just look at what they did to physician owned hospitals)

You missed the point. He does not take Medicare, he does not take Medicaid, and he does not take insurance. He essentially, does not accept 3rd party payers, except for workers comp. The revolutionary aspect is how well they've managed to make it work by:

1) Kicking out government and insurance - so less money wasted on coding and billing
2) Cutting prices sharply for patients
3) Succeeding so well at it


Once again, he slammed the door shut on insurance. He does check or cash or credit card only.

Just to be clear, are you being sarcastic?

 

[IslandStyle808]

So... this surgery center is pretty much setting up an out-of-pocket model. I understand that underdeveloped country hospitals do this because they can't organize a system. Of course in the end, only the rich could afford the care in these countries. Now why is this center doing the same thing when it is pretty clear that mostly rich people will be able to afford their services?

 

[plumazul]

So... this surgery center is pretty much setting up an out-of-pocket model. I understand that underdeveloped country hospitals do this because they can't organize a system. Of course in the end, only the rich could afford the care in these countries. Now why is this center doing the same thing when it is pretty clear that mostly rich people will be able to afford their services?

It's the Ayn Rand system of health care. If you have a brain tumor, and you don't have the cash to treat it, it's because you're weak. 🙁

 

[Mattinthehat250]

Those prices look fairly cheap to me. I might be having a nissen fundoplication done, and even with insurance I would have to pay somewhere around $3,000-4,000 out of pocket.

 

[DoctwoB]

The Surgery Center of Oklahoma is obliterating its state-subsidized competitors by providing superior healthcare at a fraction of the cost, providing a model that could make "The Affordable Health Care Act" irrelevant:

http://www.surgerycenterok.com/

Nothing about this in any way makes the ACA or our current health insurance system irrelevant. All this is is a cash-only surgery center that doesn't accept insurance.

Good on them for cutting costs as much as possible, publishing prices and (hopefully) providing quality care to those who pay cash (aka those without insurance or very rich people). This is already happening all over in primary care in the form of conceirge practices, it's just a little more difficult to pull off in surgery due to the higher costs involved

That doesn't change the fact that the majority of people can't afford the upfront costs associated with major surgery and any subsequent hospitalization, thus making our current insurance infrastructure (flawed though it may be), necessary.

 

[NickNaylor]

If other surgery centers that say no to Medicare and insurance start popping up across the US, you can be sure that the government is going to find some way to get their filthy hands in them, and you can be sure that the American Hospital Association is going to do its best to use its lobbying power to keep them constrained (Eg. Just look at what they did to physician owned hospitals)



You missed the point. He does not take Medicare, he does not take Medicaid, and he does not take insurance. He essentially, does not accept 3rd party payers, except for workers comp. The revolutionary aspect is how well they've managed to make it work by:

1) Kicking out government and insurance - so less money wasted on coding and billing
2) Cutting prices sharply for patients
3) Succeeding so well at it




Once again, he slammed the door shut on insurance. He does check or cash or credit card only.

But it says right there on the payments page that those prices don't apply if you're insured. Why would they make that caveat if they don't accept insurance? As far as Medicare/Medicaid go, this also is not a new development. Many physicians in private practice don't accept either program, or if they do you will almost certainly be second priority.

I think this is cool in that the pricing is "transparent," but beyond that there isn't much of a difference here and it's more or less business as usual. This isn't revolutionary IMO. A step forward, sure, but not a paradigm shift by any means.

Sent from my Nexus 7

 

[deleted393595]

Just to be clear, are you being sarcastic?

No. I started out as a liberal and I was even the President of the Young Dems in my high school, but as I got older I realized just how flawed leftist-politics is.

 

[HopefulSlav]

😕 Are you sure you understand how health insurance works?

You tell me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uPdkhMVdMQ

 

[deleted393595]

But it says right there on the payments page that those prices don't apply if you're insured. Why would they make that caveat if they don't accept insurance? As far as Medicare/Medicaid go, this also is not a new development. Many physicians in private practice don't accept either program, or if they do you will almost certainly be second priority.

I think this is cool in that the pricing is "transparent," but beyond that there isn't much of a difference here and it's more or less business as usual. This isn't revolutionary IMO. A step forward, sure, but not a paradigm shift by any means.

Sent from my Nexus 7

Interesting. When I last saw his page a few months ago, he didn't have anything about insurance up there. And while I've been following the stuff he posts on the AAPS website, he's usually been anti-insurance. I wonder why he changed his stance.

I agree. Nothing too revolutionary here, but it's interesting that they've gotten it to work on that scale.

 

[jl lin]

The Surgery Center of Oklahoma is obliterating its state-subsidized competitors by providing superior healthcare at a fraction of the cost, providing a model that could make "The Affordable Health Care Act" irrelevant:

http://www.surgerycenterok.com/

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Why You Should Quit Politics
(And embark on a much more effective path to liberty)

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0od6RZDOtk
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http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/matson-k1.1.1.html

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Real Affordable Healthcare: Remove 'Government' Regulation

NHS hospital apologise to 38 families after patients starve to death on the ward

Heck, even my dogs' vet does this. An exception may be certain kinds of surgery--complications, additional days in doggie ICU, which is very expensive. Added up to when they didn't have anyone to come in and do the MRI n the weekend. It meant surgery was delayed, and that my dog stayed an extra day vented and in their hospital's ICU.

 

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