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[Navier_Stokes]

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I am thinking I might have to reapply as this cycle is not going well:

I know that gonnif suggests to take a year off to reapply but if your MCAT score was the one that was the issue, do you have to wait a year to make your app look better?

For instance,

my stats are:

CA ORM
505-> 518 (I’ve provided an update but I think I might be too late)
3.85 Gpa, 3.7 sGPA
1800 h research, 1 poster
200 h clinical volunteering
200 h non clinical volunteering

thinking of scribing during my gap year

Do I have to wait in this case and get more hours?

 

[yogglo]

When did you get your new mcat? If it was like Dec/Jan then yeah apply but if it was like sept/oct idk

 

[Navier_Stokes]

When did you get your new mcat? If it was like Dec/Jan then yeah apply but if it was like sept/oct idk

that’s the issue — I got my score back in last October. I provided an update to schools in late October.

 

[KnightDoc]

that’s the issue — I got my score back in last October. I provided an update to schools in late October.

So why are you so sure that it is the issue? Of course, some schools are going to average your scores, but, in any case, everyone had them in plenty of time to consider them in this cycle, so what makes you think another cycle will go differently if nothing else changes?

Did you have any interviews this cycle? How many schools did you apply to? Where did you apply with only the 505? Did you add schools after you received the 518?

 

[vrazzles]

Other than your research hours (not productivity), your application is rather cookie cutter. In your position, I would continue non-clinical volunteering and clinical exposure (whether through volunteering or scribing).

Unless you have something unique in your application, I think that a lot of ADCOMs would pass you over for another applicant with similar stats but more interesting ECs.

 

[Navier_Stokes]

So why are you so sure that it is the issue? Of course, some schools are going to average your scores, but, in any case, everyone had them in plenty of time to consider them in this cycle, so what makes you think another cycle will go differently if nothing else changes? Did you have any interviews this cycle?

I know 🙁 probably my irrationality. I don’t mind spending another year to make my app better but I just want to show my ill mother that I got into medical school before something devastating happens. She means the world to me and I know she is going to be so happy with the news. But that’s my personal problem and I need to see it more objectively — thank you for your input.

I might have to ask some schools for why I got rejected in June/July

 

[KnightDoc]

I know 🙁 probably my irrationality. I don’t mind spending another year to make my app better but I just want to show my ill mother that I got into medical school before something devastating happens. She means the world to me and I know she is going to be so happy with the news. But that’s my personal problem and I need to see it more objectively — thank you for your input.

I might have to ask some schools for why I got rejected in June/July

Did you see my edits? Depending on your answers, there might be value in a reapplication next cycle!

 

[Navier_Stokes]

Did you see my edits? Depending on your answers, there might be value in a reapplication next cycle!

I just did and was about to reply!

I applied to these schools that are recommended by Faha to applicants who have 506-508 such as:

Quinnipiac
New York Medical College - REJECTED
Seton Hall
Drexel
Temple
George Washington - REJECTED
Oakland Beaumont
Medical College Wisconsin
Rosalind Franklin - REJECTED
Creighton
California University
Vermont
Medical College Wisconsin
Loyola
NOVA MD
Drexel - HOLD
Temple

After I got my score I added 2 more schools. But I think I was just too late with these schools.

UC Irvine - REJECTED
UC Riverside

I haven't heard back from the rest. But I don't think that's a good sign.

I have very many regrets about this cycle. So I am grateful of your comments!

 

[KnightDoc]

I just did and was about to reply!

I applied to these schools that are recommended by Faha to applicants who have 506-508 such as:

Quinnipiac
New York Medical College - REJECTED
Seton Hall
Drexel
Temple
George Washington - REJECTED
Oakland Beaumont
Medical College Wisconsin
Rosalind Franklin - REJECTED
Creighton
California University
Vermont
Medical College Wisconsin
Loyola
NOVA MD
Drexel - HOLD
Temple

After I got my score I added 2 more schools. But I think I was just too late with these schools.

UC Irvine - REJECTED
UC Riverside

I haven't heard back from the rest. But I don't think that's a good sign.

I have very many regrets about this cycle. So I am grateful of your comments!

For what it's worth, I do think it would be worth applying next cycle, because 518 is a huge jump from 505, and, even if averaged, gives you a 512, which opens up a lot more schools to be in range for you. And this is addition to adding whatever ECs you have been participating in for the past year, which can only help.

Did you not have any IIs this cycle? If not, it's probably because you should have had plenty of DOs on your list with a 505. I think you'll do better next time with your new score and new schools reflective of your new score, but I also think you should consider applying to a few DOs as a reapplicant.

TL;DR - Given your list and big jump in score, I don't think you need to wait a year. You now have a ton of schools in range that weren't this cycle, and you won't be a reapplicant to them!

 

[vrazzles]

Keep in mind, however, that some schools average MCAT scores. In your position, I would search through individual schools' admissions websites and target those that only consider the most recent or highest score.

Good luck!

 

[KnightDoc]

Keep in mind, however, that some schools average MCAT scores. In your position, I would search through individual schools' admissions websites and target those that only consider the most recent or highest score.

Good luck!

Why? Even averaged, his score is now a 512, which is in the ballpark for plenty of schools! Since when do you need a 518 to be a competitive applicant, and why would he limit himself to only those schools when there are literally over 150 schools (including DO) that he didn't apply to this cycle???

 

[vrazzles]

I'm saying that he/she shouldn't apply to schools with 518 MCAT averages if they follow the policy of averaging scores. And ignoring that, a higher MCAT is still a positive for interview and admission.

Ergo, chances are best at schools that dont average.

 

[Navier_Stokes]

For what it's worth, I do think it would be worth applying next cycle, because 518 is a huge jump from 505, and, even if averaged, gives you a 512, which opens up a lot more schools to be in range for you. And this is addition to adding whatever ECs you have been participating in for the past year, which can only help.

Did you not have any IIs this cycle? If not, it's probably because you should have had plenty of DOs on your list with a 505. I think you'll do better next time with your new score and new schools reflective of your new score, but I also think you should consider applying to a few DOs as a reapplicant.

TL;DR - Given your list and big jump in score, I don't think you need to wait a year. You now have a ton of schools in range that weren't this cycle, and you won't be a reapplicant to them!

I read every single word. Thank you so much.

I haven't received any IIs this cycle, but I am hoping I will next cycle. I will definitely try to add some DO schools! I will also research some schools. I think Albany and St. Louis look at the highest score.

 

[KnightDoc]

I know 🙁 probably my irrationality. I don’t mind spending another year to make my app better but I just want to show my ill mother that I got into medical school before something devastating happens. She means the world to me and I know she is going to be so happy with the news. But that’s my personal problem and I need to see it more objectively — thank you for your input.

I might have to ask some schools for why I got rejected in June/July

Ironically, given your list, you might have been yield protected out after your update!!

 

[Navier_Stokes]

I'm saying that he/she shouldn't apply to schools with 518 MCAT averages if they follow the policy of averaging scores. And ignoring that, a higher MCAT is still a positive for interview and admission.

Ergo, chances are best at schools that dont average.

Your concerns are very valid. I will definitely consider it (i.e. I am not going to apply to T30 schools only) I will be happy to practice medicine at wherever I go.

 

[KnightDoc]

I read every single word. Thank you so much.

I haven't received any IIs this cycle, but I am hoping I will next cycle. I will definitely try to add some DO schools! I will also research some schools. I think Albany and St. Louis look at the highest score.

I honestly don't think you need to limit yourself to schools that only look at the highest score. Your average score is very respectable for all but a very few schools, and, of course, the 518 is respectable everywhere.

@vrazzles is correct that your 518 will carry more weight at schools that don't average, but 13 points is such a huge jump, and 512 is so decent, that you really don't have to limit yourself to schools that don't average. At least with respect to your MCAT (we haven't been talking about your PS, essays, quality of ECs, etc.) you can be a viable candidate at any school at which a 512 is >25%ile.

 

[vrazzles]

When making my recommendations, I considered all the info provided. Generally, the lower your MCAT score is than the schools median, the more impressive your ECs have to be to make the cut. Given time, I think that you could be competitive for T20/30 schools with higher MCAT averages. As it currently stands now though, I think that applying to such schools would be overly optimistic.

 

[Rachapkis]

My Magic 8 ball says that you will get in this cycle. Please let us know if and when that happens. Good luck.

 

[candbgirl]

My Magic 8 ball says that you will get in this cycle. Please let us know if and when that happens. Good luck.

Hope you are right but it’s January 21 and has received no interviews. OP is smart to plan for a reapplication.

 

[kahunas007]

My Magic 8 ball says that you will get in this cycle. Please let us know if and when that happens. Good luck.

I think so also. OP do not apply for DO as you got the stats for MD. if you have to reapply, add more MD schools and get as many non-clinical volunteer hours as you can. My stats are similar to yours.

 

[mmchick]

Just reapply with your new score in mind and get more clinical hours in the meantime. Would be worth it to volunteer at hospitals/shadow/scribe/hospice care etc. 200 hours is cookie cutter like someone mentioned and could be the weak spot. Your stats are great for MD.

 

[imbesrs]

Allopathic Medical School Multiple MCAT Scores | Pre-Health

most schools look at newest/highest score

You have 5 months to accumulate hours. Go do something new to list a new activity and youll have a good reapp with great score + x hours in new activity. Thats pretty solid. Your GPA+MCAT combo already puts you in that 80%+ likelihood of getting in

 

[Goro]

I am thinking I might have to reapply as this cycle is not going well:

I know that gonnif suggests to take a year off to reapply but if your MCAT score was the one that was the issue, do you have to wait a year to make your app look better?

For instance,

my stats are:

CA ORM
505-> 518 (I’ve provided an update but I think I might be too late)
3.85 Gpa, 3.7 sGPA
1800 h research, 1 poster
200 h clinical volunteering
200 h non clinical volunteering

thinking of scribing during my gap year

Do I have to wait in this case and get more hours?

I suggest reapplying this next cycle, and get in more clinical and nonclinical volunteering.

Rewrite all essays and have multiple eyeballs vet them.

Not directed at you, OP, but SDNers are advised that a 2nd, high MCAT score does not make an applicant God's gift Medicine.

As for schools, I suggest:
ALL UCs, but UCR ONLY IF you're from the Inland Empire
One of these:
Harvard/Yale/Stanford/WashU/Northwestern

One of these:
The NYC Titans/JHU/Baylor/Vandy



U VA
Mayo (maybe)
U MI (maybe)
Case
U VM
U IA
U Toledo
USF Morsani
OH State
U Cincy
Miami
St. Louis
Albany
Albert Einstein
Rochester
Rush
Rosy Franklin
NYMC
EVMS
Wake Forest
Jefferson
Temple
Drexel
Creighton
Tulane
USC/Keck
Dartmouth
Seton Hall
MCW
Loyola
Emory
BU
Duke
Pitt
Hofstra
Tufts
Oakland-B
Western MI
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Nova MD
CUSM
Kaiser
Any DO program. I can't recommend Touro-NY, Nova, Wm Carey, LUCOM, ICOM, and BCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide. LMU has an accreditation warning, which concerns me. CalHS is too new and has a too small a rotations base, it seems. As someone on thier second cycle, beggars can't be choosy.

 

[Navier_Stokes]

I suggest reapplying this next cycle, and get in more clinical and nonclinical volunteering.

Rewrite all essays and have multiple eyeballs vet them.

Not directed at you, OP, but SDNers are advised that a 2nd, high MCAT score does not make an applicant God's gift Medicine.

As for schools, I suggest:
ALL UCs, but UCR ONLY IF you're from the Inland Empire
One of these:
Harvard/Yale/Stanford/WashU/Northwestern

One of these:
The NYC Titans/JHU/Baylor/Vandy

U VA
Mayo (maybe)
U MI (maybe)
Case
U VM
U IA
U Toledo
USF Morsani
OH State
U Cincy
Miami
St. Louis
Albany
Albert Einstein
Rochester
Rush
Rosy Franklin
NYMC
EVMS
Wake Forest
Jefferson
Temple
Drexel
Creighton
Tulane
USC/Keck
Dartmouth
Seton Hall
MCW
Loyola
Emory
BU
Duke
Pitt
Hofstra
Tufts
Oakland-B
Western MI
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Nova MD
CUSM
Kaiser
Any DO program. I can't recommend Touro-NY, Nova, Wm Carey, LUCOM, ICOM, and BCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide. LMU has an accreditation warning, which concerns me. CalHS is too new and has a too small a rotations base, it seems. As someone on thier second cycle, beggars can't be choosy.

I can't believe I got a reply from you. Thank you. All of these are great schools -- I would be lucky if I get an interview from any of these schools. Also would you say that ~350 h clinical volunteering, 60 h shadowing, and ~350 h non-clinical are good? I think I can make that work before the AMCAS submission date. I just want to be realistic in planning.

And to everyone -- thank you for your words. It is always wonderful to have other perspectives and objective thoughts.

 

[yogglo]

I suggest reapplying this next cycle, and get in more clinical and nonclinical volunteering.

Rewrite all essays and have multiple eyeballs vet them.

Not directed at you, OP, but SDNers are advised that a 2nd, high MCAT score does not make an applicant God's gift Medicine.

As for schools, I suggest:
ALL UCs, but UCR ONLY IF you're from the Inland Empire
One of these:
Harvard/Yale/Stanford/WashU/Northwestern

One of these:
The NYC Titans/JHU/Baylor/Vandy



U VA
Mayo (maybe)
U MI (maybe)
Case
U VM
U IA
U Toledo
USF Morsani
OH State
U Cincy
Miami
St. Louis
Albany
Albert Einstein
Rochester
Rush
Rosy Franklin
NYMC
EVMS
Wake Forest
Jefferson
Temple
Drexel
Creighton
Tulane
USC/Keck
Dartmouth
Seton Hall
MCW
Loyola
Emory
BU
Duke
Pitt
Hofstra
Tufts
Oakland-B
Western MI
Uniformed Services University/Hebert (just be aware of the military service commitment)
Nova MD
CUSM
Kaiser
Any DO program. I can't recommend Touro-NY, Nova, Wm Carey, LUCOM, ICOM, and BCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide. LMU has an accreditation warning, which concerns me. CalHS is too new and has a too small a rotations base, it seems. As someone on thier second cycle, beggars can't be choosy.

I would put a lot of money that rush is a donation OP doesn’t have the volunteering hours

 

[Goro]

I can't believe I got a reply from you. Thank you. All of these are great schools -- I would be lucky if I get an interview from any of these schools. Also would you say that ~350 h clinical volunteering, 60 h shadowing, and ~350 h non-clinical are good? I think I can make that work before the AMCAS submission date. I just want to be realistic in planning.

And to everyone -- thank you for your words. It is always wonderful to have other perspectives and objective thoughts.

The bolded are not merely good, but great!!!

 

[candbgirl]

I would put a lot of money that rush is a donation OP doesn’t have the volunteering hours

True for now. But if he can get all of those projected hours by June 1 he might be okay at Rush. Their requirements are so over the top you just never know if you have enough.

 

[KnightDoc]

I think so also. OP do not apply for DO as you got the stats for MD. if you have to reapply, add more MD schools and get as many non-clinical volunteer hours as you can. My stats are similar to yours.

With all due respect, he's doing himself no favors if he reapplies with no DOs after striking out previously. He doesn't have to attend a DO if he receives a MD acceptance, but if he doesn't receive a MD acceptance and he doesn't include DOs, where would that leave him????? Hint: looking at a third cycle!