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Hey guys,

So I've had a mediocre GPA for my freshman and sophomore year 3.25. However, I was diagnosed with ADD the summer of my sophomore year and was put on meds. After being on the meds I was able to really focus and concentrate and my GPA has been above a 3.9 ever since.

Do you think it is important to note that I was diagnosed with ADD, which might partially explain the shift in grades? Or do you think this will be looked down upon/ isn't important to include?

Do you think this will help/hurt applications? or it won't affect my apps. if it won't affect my apps, then should i even bother including this information?
 
Hey guys,

So I've had a mediocre GPA for my freshman and sophomore year 3.25. However, I was diagnosed with ADD the summer of my sophomore year and was put on meds. After being on the meds I was able to really focus and concentrate and my GPA has been above a 3.9 ever since.

Do you think it is important to note that I was diagnosed with ADD, which might partially explain the shift in grades? Or do you think this will be looked down upon/ isn't important to include?

Do you think this will help/hurt applications? or it won't affect my apps. if it won't affect my apps, then should i even bother including this information?

I would DEFINITELY include it. With such a drastic change in GPA, I think it'd be very beneficial to include the information.
 
That makes me wonder, what if you have a chronic disease that hinders your performance...well through life? I have to be put under steroids every couple of months and I'm on chemotherapy for the rest of my life...of course with all of these meds, there are so many terrible side-effects (sometimes I rather just suffer my disease!), that I can't do well in school.
Would I ever mention this to med-schools? Do they care? Do they want to know?
 
To OP:

I would include it.

To Caligirl14:

I'm sure they want to know! Something like this is obviously a hindrance to the normalcy of college life and would, obviously, affect your schoolwork. Just don't make it sound like an excuse though.
 
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That makes me wonder, what if you have a chronic disease that hinders your performance...well through life? I have to be put under steroids every couple of months and I'm on chemotherapy for the rest of my life...of course with all of these meds, there are so many terrible side-effects (sometimes I rather just suffer my disease!), that I can't do well in school.
Would I ever mention this to med-schools? Do they care? Do they want to know?

they probably would factor that in.. a lot.. getting a 4.0 working full time is given much more consideration then a 4.0 not working full time.
if your given chemo that much your basically but into a very unpleasant situation. that being said you will be given a lot of points for still keeping up in your grade, because your showing extreme character.
 
That makes me wonder, what if you have a chronic disease that hinders your performance...well through life? I have to be put under steroids every couple of months and I'm on chemotherapy for the rest of my life...of course with all of these meds, there are so many terrible side-effects (sometimes I rather just suffer my disease!), that I can't do well in school.
Would I ever mention this to med-schools? Do they care? Do they want to know?

I know where you're coming from. I too suffer from a disease and rely on drug therapy to cope. With regards to whether or not it should be mentioned, I think it should. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I've decided to pursue medicine.

Dealing with steroid treatment every few months and all the other pleasantries that come with having a chronic illness is undoubtedly (and unfortunately) a significant part of your/my life. Just as a job or extracurricular activity requires time and attention, coping with illness and adversity does too. Whether you feel comfortable mentioning it is up to you. But if it is something that has encouraged or motivated you to pursue medicine, I feel an admissions committee would like to know.

Good luck with your studies & future application. I wish you well.

Cheers! 👍
 
Does everyone think OP should mention ADD specifically?

I would mention a resolved 'health issue' or something, but I don't think I would want to mention ADD directly.
 
It seems like most doctors are pretty polarized on the existence of A.D.D.
 
I think these things needed to be worded carefully so as to not be seen as excuses. I think if you had a major gpa upswing it's good to specifically mention ADD, but I probably wouldn't mention it at all if that was not the case.
 
Hey guys,

Thanks for the replies.

I guess my doubts lie if I should specifically mention ADD. because i agree with the post above, some doctors are really polarized about ADD..


and additionally, I'm worried admissions com will look "down" on the diagnosis.. since there are people who abuse ADD drugs to help them study and get better grades. Thus maybe in the eyes of an adcom there's no difference between us, except for the fact that I was legitimately diagnosed with ADD.

I was initially thinking to state the situation as something along the lines of I resolved a personal psychiatric disorder .. do you think this is unethical/incorrect?

i don't know if this makes sense to anyone.
 
I guess my doubts lie if I should specifically mention ADD.

I was initially thinking to state the situation as something along the lines of I resolved a personal psychiatric disorder
You are under no obligation to be specific. The words "a personal psychiatric disorder" covers way more problematic territory than you want to suggest. What about using the expression, "learning disorder"?
 
That makes me wonder, what if you have a chronic disease that hinders your performance...well through life? I have to be put under steroids every couple of months and I'm on chemotherapy for the rest of my life...of course with all of these meds, there are so many terrible side-effects (sometimes I rather just suffer my disease!), that I can't do well in school.
Would I ever mention this to med-schools? Do they care? Do they want to know?

I really don't want you to misinterpret what I am about to say, but just in case you don't already know: becoming a doctor and being a doctor are incredibly difficult and stressful and taxing tasks, no matter what field you go into. It takes more than intelligence and empathy--it also takes incredible amounts of energy.

If your condition prevents you from the ability to get good grades, how can you be sure it won't prevent you from being a doctor?

Medical schools will ask this question. At some schools they explicitly list that they expect all their candidates to be able to handle it physically.

I don't know anything about you personally, so this isn't a judgement and it isn't me saying you're not able to be an incredible doctor. But it is something that I hope you have considered.
 
Hey guys,

Thanks for the replies.

I guess my doubts lie if I should specifically mention ADD. because i agree with the post above, some doctors are really polarized about ADD..


and additionally, I'm worried admissions com will look "down" on the diagnosis.. since there are people who abuse ADD drugs to help them study and get better grades. Thus maybe in the eyes of an adcom there's no difference between us, except for the fact that I was legitimately diagnosed with ADD.

I was initially thinking to state the situation as something along the lines of I resolved a personal psychiatric disorder .. do you think this is unethical/incorrect?

i don't know if this makes sense to anyone.

If you were diagnosed and still maintained the same stats, I'd say leave it out. But you showed improvement, which further shows the validity of your disorder and the success of the treatment. I'm still in the application process, but I have taken medical physiology alongside medical students, and pharmacology. We have discussed AD/HD in both courses as a real and treatable condition. In the neurology part of our physio course, we saw scans of "AD/HD brains," and we covered how (they think) the meds work in pharmacology, down to the signaling pathways and long-term benefits.

In all fairness, I know people who have been prescribed meds after one or two meetings with my college health center's physicians. It's so easy to get this that I know students who can point you to the "drug sources" for all-nighters. This is the sole reason some don't take the disorder seriously.

I was diagnosed with AD/HD in 1997, during my first year of college. One of the preeminent psychiatrists in the field happened to practice near me (I found him in the book "Driven to Distraction" and he is by all accounts an expert). It took months for him to officially diagnose me. He met with my mother, and had her fill out an inch or two of paperwork. She submitted my report cards and school records starting with kindergarten. I took a battery of tests, including the TOVA (Test of Variable Attention), and had brain scans, blood tests, thyroid function tests...the physical workup alone was more thorough than the one I had when they suspected I had cancer.

I went on Adderall, but only after months of counseling and an official diagnosis was made. He told me that I should only be on the medication for a finite amount of time. Medication, he said, was a tool to be used in conjunction with behavioral therapy, and he would only prescribe it as long as it took for me to be equipped to deal with my AD/HD. So he taught me how to restructure my life so that I could tap into the one advantage of AD/HD: the hyperfocus component. Those of us with the disorder are distracted by nearly everything during lectures or things that don't grab our full attention, but we have an unusual ability to spend hours doing something that we love or just NEED to get done. This is why (to this day) I procrastinate with papers. I can sit down and crank out an "A" term paper within 24 hours of submitting it. In fact, he and others have suggested re-naming it "Attention Inconsistency Syndrome," because it's a more appropriate term.

Anyway, I stayed on Adderall for just under a year. I learned to restructure my life and figure out how to stay on top of what needs to get done. I learned how to make it work in my favor. Keep going to a psychiatrist or psychologist who can help you with this. Medicine is actually the perfect job for someone with AD/HD...my high school counselor even said that with my brain, I needed to do something that engaged me and never stopped moving, like emergency medicine.

Back on topic, AD/HD is regarded in the medical community as something real, but you still have to back it up by demonstrating that you've learned to work with it, and be able to speak to how it will actually be an asset to you as a physician. It doesn't hurt to tell them that you learned to work with it and came off the medication, which should be the end goal. Part of the reason I trusted Dr. LoPresti (besides his accolades, credentials, etc.) was that he was up front with me about the serious risks involved with AD/HD medications, and his refusal to allow me to use them long-term...especially considering the health risks and risk of dependence. That said, he had no problem with prescribing SSRI's and S/NRI's in the long-term. Stimulants should only be used (in this treatment) short-term, and not as a crutch.

I returned to school to pursue medicine almost ten years after my initial diagnosis and treatment. I've considered trying medication again when it's 2am and I have an exam coming up and I'm totally distracted. Instead, I take 15 minutes to goof off on Facebook or SDN, then remind myself what my goals are. I'm graduating this May with a 3.9+ GPA, not because I'm anything special, but because I've learned over the course of many years how to make this work for me.

If you have any questions, please PM me! I'm always happy to help a kindred spirit 🙂

If you're not willing to talk about this in detail, leave it off your application entirely. Definitely don't be vague about personal or psychiatric problems...that will only make them doubt your ability to make it through medical school. They're not allowed (by law) to ask or to judge, but they will (and should) question whether you're mentally and emotionally fit for such a rigorous curriculum and career. In my experience, full disclosure (though carefully worded) is the best approach--and ADCOMs may even feel more confident in you than they do in other similarly great applicants who have yet to deal with adversity.

On another note, Caligirl, you should definitely let medical schools know how you've triumphed over tremendous adversity. Just like with anything else, make sure you don't use it as an "excuse" for bad grades, but as an example of what you've overcome to be a competitive applicant. Who wouldn't admire your tenacity and strength??
 
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I really don't want you to misinterpret what I am about to say, but just in case you don't already know: becoming a doctor and being a doctor are incredibly difficult and stressful and taxing tasks, no matter what field you go into. It takes more than intelligence and empathy--it also takes incredible amounts of energy.

If your condition prevents you from the ability to get good grades, how can you be sure it won't prevent you from being a doctor?

Medical schools will ask this question. At some schools they explicitly list that they expect all their candidates to be able to handle it physically.

I don't know anything about you personally, so this isn't a judgement and it isn't me saying you're not able to be an incredible doctor. But it is something that I hope you have considered.

Most people with my disease live a normal life. I was diagnosed a year ago, and I'm literally in the process of 'healing'. I don't think it will take years and years to fully 'recover', because this is an ongoing condition, but I will eventually be strong enough to handle what most people can.
I know becoming a doctor will be a very stressful task, but I don't mind becoming a doctor in 5 years or even 6 if my condition prevents me from doing so.

My condition isn't so exclusive that doctors out there don't have it. (Ulcerative Colitis, if you were wondering).

Don't worry, though. I completely understand where you are coming from. I've considered the possibility of not going to medical school because of my condition. Of course, I can't really say that my condition will prevent me from going to medical school if I don't try 🙂
 
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Hey guys,

So I've had a mediocre GPA for my freshman and sophomore year 3.25. However, I was diagnosed with ADD the summer of my sophomore year and was put on meds. After being on the meds I was able to really focus and concentrate and my GPA has been above a 3.9 ever since.

Do you think it is important to note that I was diagnosed with ADD, which might partially explain the shift in grades? Or do you think this will be looked down upon/ isn't important to include?

Do you think this will help/hurt applications? or it won't affect my apps. if it won't affect my apps, then should i even bother including this information?

That makes me wonder, what if you have a chronic disease that hinders your performance...well through life? I have to be put under steroids every couple of months and I'm on chemotherapy for the rest of my life...of course with all of these meds, there are so many terrible side-effects (sometimes I rather just suffer my disease!), that I can't do well in school.
Would I ever mention this to med-schools? Do they care? Do they want to know?


I'm of the opinion that it's not a good idea to advertise your weaknesses during the application process.

Both of you have chronic conditions which have affected your coursework previously. This could easily lend itself to the argument that under the stressful conditions of medical school, your current management might fail and you could experience a similar exasperation of your disease leading to academic failure.

This isn't ammunition you have to give them. You want to explain your previous academic difficulties, but volunteering detailed information about your health may be doing you a disservice.
 
I think that if you mention a condition you need to know how to spin it. So yes, I had this issue and then I dealt with it and look how awesome I am now that I have it under control. I really learned from it, etc etc.

If it's phrased like "well I coulda been an awesome runner but I have this peg leg that has completely defeated me" then yea they may doubt your abilities to manage stress+ you condition.

For the ADD I would mention it in one sentence and no more really. Like "my soph year I was diagnosed with a learning disorder and since getting it under control I've become a baller."

For the people who mentioned having chronic diseases, I would maybe say how it's focused you on medicine, made you stronger and MORE able to deal with stressful times than maybe your more healthy peers. Again, SPIN!!!!!!

If you can't write about how it made you stronger and better, then omit it and focus on the part of your application that you can write about making you stronger and better
 
I'm of the opinion that it's not a good idea to advertise your weaknesses during the application process.

Both of you have chronic conditions which have affected your coursework previously. This could easily lend itself to the argument that under the stressful conditions of medical school, your current management might fail and you could experience a similar exasperation of your disease leading to academic failure.

This isn't ammunition you have to give them. You want to explain your previous academic difficulties, but volunteering detailed information about your health may be doing you a disservice.

I agree with this. If I was going to mention it, I would do so as " I had a medical condition that affected my academic ability from X to Y and was fully resolved in Z, as is reflected by my GPA from T to D." Leave it at that. No need to name why, how, what, etc. I did this both for med school apps a decade ago (was accepted, deferred and life took a different path) and for vet school apps (accepted) and was never asked, but did have comments along the lines of 'if that wasn't on there, we would ask about it IF we interviewed you' and then I would have had to figure out how to say the same thing without saying too much. There are still quite a few people who will see an issue as either an excuse or as a reaons not to admit, and there is no reason to enable that.
 
It can go either way.

Either they think, "Hey, you did much better with the meds, so we know you can do this. Good job."

Or they think, "Erm, you can only perform at this level when on psychoactive stimulants? What happens when you don't have access to them? Stimulants do build tolerance pretty quickly..."

To be honest, I'm doubting you'll even have to say anything at all. With such a drastic GPA upward curve, they're either going to ask you about what changed, or they'll just assume that you got super-motivated and did better because of it. So, with that in mind, I'd talk about it only if they asked about the upward trend, but otherwise, just let them think you're a smart cookie.
 
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