Rejected Because of CASPer

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I know in Canada, applicants with top MCAT scores are rejected because of their CASPer results. It seems that most US schools using this test are not transparent at all about how they are factoring it into the admissions process. I read on here that some schools in the past gave out interviews while CASPer results were still pending but what about after they become available? Has it happened in the US yet where an applicant who otherwise would not be rejected is rejected based solely on their CASPer test results?

I would hate to be rejected simply because my answers on CASPer weren't "good" enough despite having solid MCATs, GPA and experiences. Just doesn't seem fair.

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This is one of many reasons why CASPer is an unnecessary headache that some schools sadly decided to add as part of their application requirements. The fact that CASPer scores are not known to the applicant is frustrating and only worsens the uncertainty and anxiety of the application process.
 
It's an added expense also. But hey what's $20 when one has already spent hundreds or thousands of $$ on the MCAT, prep material, primaries and/or secondaries even before traveling/lodging expenses associated with IIs.:thinking:

The thing I am unsure of is if you applied to multiple schools requiring Casper, will you only have to take it one time ($10 to company) and the results sent to all other schools ($10 per school) or do you have to take it again for each school ($20 a pop)?
 
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The thing I am unsure of is if you applied to multiple schools requiring Casper, will you only have to take it one time ($10 to company) and the results sent to all other schools ($10 per school) or do you have to take it again for each school ($20 a pop)?

You take it once and it's distributed to each school. So if 4 schools require it you'd pay $50 ($10 + $10 X 4). But you'd have to write it again if applying to Canadian schools. The same thing applies for the Canadian schools as well.
 
Has it happened in the US yet where an applicant who otherwise would not be rejected is rejected based solely on their CASPer test results?

That's an odd question, you're not rejected "solely" on anything unless it's absolutely horrendous. CASPer if used is likely a small part of your evaluation, so if you have a high GPA and MCAT as long as you don't respond to every prompt with "I WOULD EAT THEIR FACES AND BURN THEIR REMAINS TO PLEASE MY PAGAN GODS" then it's not going to hold you back. It's very easy to give reasonable answers to their prompts, just practice typing quickly and you're set.
 
That's an odd question, you're not rejected "solely" on anything unless it's absolutely horrendous. CASPer if used is likely a small part of your evaluation, so if you have a high GPA and MCAT as long as you don't respond to every prompt with "I WOULD EAT THEIR FACES AND BURN THEIR REMAINS TO PLEASE MY PAGAN GODS" then it's not going to hold you back. It's very easy to give reasonable answers to their prompts, just practice typing quickly and you're set.
It's possible that schools could use it as a filter and reject applicants who don't get above a certain score. Whatever the case, it's pretty sad to see more schools adopting it.
 
I don't see CASPER taking hold widely across U.S. med schools. There's just a lot that can impact your score and it's not transparent at all. For instance, maybe you're a slow reader and you don't have enough time to process some scenarios. Maybe you're not a fast typist on the keyboard and are only able to write a sentence or two for a response. Maybe you like to gather your thoughts for a few moments before putting them on paper. We often don't write like we speak, so there's extra processing that must occur. Plus it's not transparent in that you don't know how you did.

I see the MMI as serving much the same purpose as CASPER, but in a better setting, as you're there in person so you can talk instead of write. The only negative is that you can't administer an MMI to everybody so it's limited to those who get to the interview stage and a lot of good applicants are cut before that step.
 
How is it any different than a rejection based on your PS, your ECs or your GPA or MCAT. All schools find ways to reduce the number of people who interview. Do your best on the test.
 
To my knowledge, you don't actually get your scores, right? So how would you know that was your downfall? Every schools perception of the score will mean different things just like comparing how much research or community service you have. Certain schools value those things differently.
 
That's an odd question, you're not rejected "solely" on anything unless it's absolutely horrendous. CASPer if used is likely a small part of your evaluation, so if you have a high GPA and MCAT as long as you don't respond to every prompt with "I WOULD EAT THEIR FACES AND BURN THEIR REMAINS TO PLEASE MY PAGAN GODS" then it's not going to hold you back. It's very easy to give reasonable answers to their prompts, just practice typing quickly and you're set.

Well.... I guess this explains a number of my rejections.
 
Casper is an interview screening tool. The point is to weed out the people who would do bad on an interview anyway, so that more of the limited supply of interview spots could go to candidates who have a shot at doing well on the interview. Unless you are a significantly better speaker than you are a typer, if a low casper score means that you don't get an interview, you actually benefit by not having to waste your time and pay for travel to an interview which you would likely not do well anyway.
 
The thing is we do not know how CASPER is actually graded. Is there a right of wrong way of answering a question? is it based on quality or quantity? How is grader bias avoided? It can be hard to grade dilemmas because it just depends on your personal perspectives and the things you value the most, which can be different between people.

Some schools started implementing CASPER as an "optional" exam, which means that you would get an interview whether you do it or not. However, I am not sure how it will impact you if you chose to do and scored poorly.

I think CASPER is still a new exam, at lease here in the US, so medical schools need to make sure that it provides a fair evaluation of the student before requiring it.
 
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The thing is we do not know how CASPER is actually graded. Is there a right of wrong way of answering a question? is it based on quality or quantity? How is grader bias avoided?

I have graded Casper for two cycles. Marking is subjective, just as grading a MMI interview is subjective. It is based on quality, a good two sentences can get a better mark than a weak 6 sentences. Markers mark multiple answers of the same question in a row, (like 50 answers to the same prompt in a row) and grading is relative to the total number of answers. Each answer is also marked by multiple graders and some sort of average is taken of the scores to reduce grader bias.
 
I ended up not finishing my application to one school because of that test. I thought that at least the schools would see your responses, though. It's graded by a subjective third party and you don't even get your score? That's just egregious.
 
I have graded Casper for two cycles. Marking is subjective, just as grading a MMI interview is subjective. It is based on quality, a good two sentences can get a better mark than a weak 6 sentences. Markers mark multiple answers of the same question in a row, (like 50 answers to the same prompt in a row) and grading is relative to the total number of answers. Each answer is also marked by multiple graders and some sort of average is taken of the scores to reduce grader bias.

I appreciate your response. It is good to know that each answer is marked by multiple graders. However, I still believe that MMI is a better way to evaluate students compared to CASPER. Being able to actually speak and explain your ideas is superior to writing. Not to mention, the none verbal communication is completely lost in CASPER.
 
I appreciate your response. It is good to know that each answer is marked by multiple graders. However, I still believe that MMI is a better way to evaluate students compared to CASPER. Being able to actually speak and explain your ideas is superior to writing. Not to mention, the none verbal communication is completely lost in CASPER.
I agree, which is why casper is a good screening tool for those who will do well on MMI, but is not nearly as good, and will never replace, an interview.
 
I have graded Casper for two cycles. Marking is subjective, just as grading a MMI interview is subjective. It is based on quality, a good two sentences can get a better mark than a weak 6 sentences. Markers mark multiple answers of the same question in a row, (like 50 answers to the same prompt in a row) and grading is relative to the total number of answers. Each answer is also marked by multiple graders and some sort of average is taken of the scores to reduce grader bias.

Whats the reasoning behind not letting students see their scores?


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Whats the reasoning behind not letting students see their scores?


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I don't know. It's still a relatively new test and as recently as three years ago was only used at one school. I think it should be like the MCAT, a standardized test you do once for all schools, and you get your score. Then you could repeat if you want to improve your score with the caveats that repeat MCATs have, schools can see all your scores, some will average, etc. But that's just my personal opinion.
 
Just took the test and feel like I totally bombed it 🙁 ... I ran out of time on almost every section despite not being a slow typer.

It was much harder than the sample test they provided! Feel totally scammed right now.
 
Just took the test and feel like I totally bombed it 🙁 ... I ran out of time on almost every section despite not being a slow typer.

It was much harder than the sample test they provided! Feel totally scammed right now.

Do you think your preparation had any benefits?
 
Do you think your preparation had any benefits?

I didn't prepare at all for the test based on what other people on here in the past said about the test. I wish I had though 🙁. All I did was the sample 3 section CASPer that they provide and it's not representative of the test.
 
I don't know. It's still a relatively new test and as recently as three years ago was only used at one school. I think it should be like the MCAT, a standardized test you do once for all schools, and you get your score. Then you could repeat if you want to improve your score with the caveats that repeat MCATs have, schools can see all your scores, some will average, etc. But that's just my personal opinion.

Since you said you were a Casper grader, do you know how Casper is scored? Do you average the score on 12 scenarios or do you add up the 12 scores to get a composite?
 
Since you said you were a Casper grader, do you know how Casper is scored? Do you average the score on 12 scenarios or do you add up the 12 scores to get a composite?
We score individual scenarios. I don't know how the scores are algamated into a final score.
 
Just took the test and feel like I totally bombed it 🙁 ... I ran out of time on almost every section despite not being a slow typer.

It was much harder than the sample test they provided! Feel totally scammed right now.
I took the test last night as well but honestly had almost the opposite opinion.
 
I took the test last night as well but honestly had almost the opposite opinion.

There are different versions of the test on any given date so it's quite possible you did not have the same scenarios?
 
(5+4)/2=4.5 or 5+4=9?

To be fair, it's possible the heuristics of our brain cause us to interpret those numbers differently even if they are related by a simple linear transformation (in your CASPer example x*1/12).

EDIT: I.e. is a 120 out of 240 (if each question were scored out of 20) identically perceived by the human mind as a 10 out of 20.
 
Just took the test and feel like I totally bombed it 🙁 ... I ran out of time on almost every section despite not being a slow typer.

It was much harder than the sample test they provided! Feel totally scammed right now.

Many people run out of time for CASPer. I took the test last year but felt pretty good about it afterwards because I had done several practice full length tests beforehand. I ended up getting into schools where CASPer is used. Feel free to PM me if you want to know which practice tests I used.
 
I know in Canada, applicants with top MCAT scores are rejected because of their CASPer results. It seems that most US schools using this test are not transparent at all about how they are factoring it into the admissions process. I read on here that some schools in the past gave out interviews while CASPer results were still pending but what about after they become available? Has it happened in the US yet where an applicant who otherwise would not be rejected is rejected based solely on their CASPer test results?

I would hate to be rejected simply because my answers on CASPer weren't "good" enough despite having solid MCATs, GPA and experiences. Just doesn't seem fair.

More and more applicants are going to get screened out based on their CASPer results so applicants will have to get smarter about overcoming another hurdle.
 
How did you prepare for it?
The day of the exam I took a few hours to look up free practice tests (usually only have 3 prompts per website) and I also looked for practice prompts that may not have been timed but were still good practice on how to think through the situations. In total, I probably found ~9 timed prompts and another ~6 untimed prompts.

There are different versions of the test on any given date so it's quite possible you did not have the same scenarios?
I had never seen any of the prompts on this test before. But honestly I think you answer every question the same way. First, gather all the information, then try and understand both points of view, then work out a solution that helps both parties.
 
The day of the exam I took a few hours to look up free practice tests (usually only have 3 prompts per website) and I also looked for practice prompts that may not have been timed but were still good practice on how to think through the situations. In total, I probably found ~9 timed prompts and another ~6 untimed prompts.


I had never seen any of the prompts on this test before. But honestly I think you answer every question the same way. First, gather all the information, then try and understand both points of view, then work out a solution that helps both parties.

I hope things work out with CASPer and your applications but in my humble opinion, you are not supposed to answer every question the same way.
 
I hope things work out with CASPer and your applications but in my humble opinion, you are not supposed to answer every question the same way.
I appreciate it. To clarify, I was obviously just speaking in generalities. There's a pretty common theme to every question, and thus the process to think through each question is very similar. I never said answering each question in the same way would lead you to the same answer!
 
Can anyone shed some light on what is included in the scoring report? Do they really flag "unethical/unprofessional" answers?
 
Can anyone shed some light on what is included in the scoring report? Do they really flag "unethical/unprofessional" answers?
You don't get a report for your score, and only program staff will know what a report to a school looks like. Answers are scored on a numerical scale, with a flag for further review if the answer is seriously unethical or unprofessional (think racist).
 
You don't get a report for your score, and only program staff will know what a report to a school looks like. Answers are scored on a numerical scale, with a flag for further review if the answer is seriously unethical or unprofessional (think racist).
So the response has to be REALLY bad to be flagged? if you acted wrongly in an ethical dilemma, for example chose patient's health over autonomy or health over confidentiality but have reasonable explanations of your decisions, would that be considered an "unethical/unprofessional" answer?

If something is flagged, is that reported to the schools or just results in a lower score ONLY?
 
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So the response has to be REALLY bad to be flagged? if you acted wrongly in an ethical dilemma, for example chose patient's health over autonomy or health over confidentiality but have reasonable explanations of your decisions, would that be considered an "unethical/unprofessional" answer?

If something is flagged, is that reported to the schools or just results in a lower score ONLY?

Generally, the questions asked are not black and white, and there is no wrong answer. Getting a good score means coming up with a logical answer, demonstrating your understanding of the issues, and defending your choice. Think "is it ok to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving child" type questions. Having a well thought out answer saying yes is just as good as saying no. If you just said no because stealing is always wrong you will get a low score and if you say yes because stealing is ok if you really need it will give you a low score. Poorly defended answers will get low scores, but not flags. Flagged answers should be for troubling answers (like if you answered that it depended on the family's race or something). The point of the test is not to quiz you on what is the right answer, but to see that you can understand various perspectives of a conflict, and come to compromising solutions that take everyone's interest into account. ("stealing is wrong but it is understandable in a life or death situation to steal food to feed a starving child, however you should face responsibility for your actions, and society should take the circumstances into account when considering repercussions, society should have mechanisms where one doesn't have to steal to receive life saving food, perhaps the bread that is not sold at the end of the day could be provided to those who would not be able to afford it in the first place, ie a food bank, so that the baker does not lose sales and people don't go hungry")

Flagged answers get reviewed by higher-ups, but beyond that what happens is not disclosed to assessors. You still assign a flagged answer a score as normal. I imagine its the same for MMIs, where if someone says something really terrible, a note will be made, and after discussion with the committee you may or may not be disqualified from admission regardless of your overall MMI score.
 
Generally, the questions asked are not black and white, and there is no wrong answer. Getting a good score means coming up with a logical answer, demonstrating your understanding of the issues, and defending your choice. Think "is it ok to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving child" type questions. Having a well thought out answer saying yes is just as good as saying no. If you just said no because stealing is always wrong you will get a low score and if you say yes because stealing is ok if you really need it will give you a low score. Poorly defended answers will get low scores, but not flags. Flagged answers should be for troubling answers (like if you answered that it depended on the family's race or something). The point of the test is not to quiz you on what is the right answer, but to see that you can understand various perspectives of a conflict, and come to compromising solutions that take everyone's interest into account. ("stealing is wrong but it is understandable in a life or death situation to steal food to feed a starving child, however you should face responsibility for your actions, and society should take the circumstances into account when considering repercussions, society should have mechanisms where one doesn't have to steal to receive life saving food, perhaps the bread that is not sold at the end of the day could be provided to those who would not be able to afford it in the first place, ie a food bank, so that the baker does not lose sales and people don't go hungry")

Flagged answers get reviewed by higher-ups, but beyond that what happens is not disclosed to assessors. You still assign a flagged answer a score as normal. I imagine its the same for MMIs, where if someone says something really terrible, a note will be made, and after discussion with the committee you may or may not be disqualified from admission regardless of your overall MMI score.
Excellent post! Once an answer is flagged, is it automatically reported to schools or is there some sort of behind the scene process to determine that like you said?
 
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