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"We believe that radiation oncology is at a fork in the cancer care road. One direction is focused almost entirely on increasing external beam dose and accuracy, from whatever source, which may take us on the inexorable path toward a future of irrelevance. The other direction can return us to our roots, based in the biological sciences and with prospects for a vigorous future."

Totally agree.

http://www.redjournal.org/article/S0360-3016(15)00051-6/fulltext
 
I largely agree with this article. However, I hate to be so cynical (and for full disclosure, I am a bit jaded on the ASTRO brass since they completely avoided responsibility and missed the point on the red journal residency expansion drama), but does this statement read like this to anyone else?....

Hey academia, ASTRO here. You doing well? Oh, good. Us too. Just this one thing, it's kind of a big deal - you know, heavy stuff like the future of our specialty. We're throwing out terms like "relevance," so listen up.

I know you may have invested millions on protons (while we never really took a stance on this rapid expansion and "commitment of resources" that was going on for years now), but now we're using language like "diminishing clinical returns" and "cost containment" and we think maybe you should invest more of your time and money on (radio)biological research.

Oh, you say it's too late for that now since you just went millions in the red on the pathway of "beam accuracy" and you really don't have plans to expand your labs or translational science program? Dang, well we just now in June of 2015 are telling you that's probably the wrong path.


Have a nice day.
 
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On one hand, you have the paragraph the op quoted and on the other, elsewhere in the editorial, you see:

"It should be noted that nothing recommended by the task force was meant to imply that physical and technological research and development efforts should cease or that they do not add value to our field, but instead that those efforts may have reached a point of diminishing clinical returns."

The editorial essentially contradicts itself and denigrates decades of clinical, physics and technological research to get the field where it is today
 
Physics and radiation biology are the fundamental underpinnings of our field. They are inextricably linked. Advances on one side compliment the advances on the other. For example, stereotactic body radiotherapy was made possible by advances in radiation technology such as image guidance and intensity modulated radiation therapy. The clinical results of these therapies have enhanced our understanding of tumor biology and tissue response to high dose per fraction radiotherapy. This has dramatically and safely improved outcomes for early stage lung cancers. In the future, high dose per fraction will likely become the standard for treatment of many tumor types, such as prostate. This is enabled by the improvements in image guidance. This substantially enhances patient convenience for treatment.

In the near future, integrated MRI and external beam radiation systems are equipped to both enhance targeting of tumors and provide biological information about tumors during treatment. The advances in physics that made MRI and external beam radiotherapy possible will very likely lead to new understandings about tumor environment and response. Similarly, we are all hoping that the biology of the abscopal effect from immune therapy will be reliably harnessed by effective combination immunotherapy and radiation therapy. This will help us to guide the high-precision radiation technology to target the latest sites, like pancreas, kidney, and some others that I suspect you wouldn't even consider treating with radiation now but might be part of the future of our field. These are exciting times.

Thus, there is need and room for research both in physics and radiation biology. Rather than cutting research funding for one side or another, we should advocate for enhanced research funding overall to drive the field forward. Instead of focusing on "relevance", we should focus on improving patient outcomes.
 
Thus, there is need and room for research both in physics and radiation biology. Rather than cutting research funding for one side or another, we should advocate for enhanced research funding overall to drive the field forward. Instead of focusing on "relevance", we should focus on improving patient outcomes.

I agree completely. I think as radiation oncologists we are sometimes too hard on ourselves or buy into what other people say about our field. Radiation works. Anyone who says that radiation is going away in the foreseeable future is simply disconnected with current cancer care. Radiation is part of the standard of care of almost all of the major solid malignancies. For example: Radiation is standard of care for early stage (medically inoperable) as well as all advanced stage lung cancer (chemorads). Radiation is part of the standard of care for breast cancer (lumpectomy + XRT is equivalent to mastectomy). Radiation alone is curative for low risk prostate cancer, and radiation + hormones is curative for int or high risk prostate cancer. Radiation is part of the standard of care for colorectal cancer (neoadjuvant chemoradiation). I mean these are the most common solid malignancies, and certainly the top 1-4! Radiation alone is curative for early stage head and neck cancers (larynx, oropharynx), and chemorads is curative for many advanced stage head and neck cancers. Radiation is part of standard of care for most adult and pediatric CNS cancers. Chemoradiation is curative for advanced stage cervical cancer. The list goes on and on... we are making advances in pancreas cancer, liver cancer, bladder cancer. Hell.. chemoradiation is standard of care and curative for anal cancer! What is very important here is that when using chemorads.. the chemo is just RADIOSENSITIZING.. in other words chemo just makes radiation work better, and the radiation is contributing much more to the cure and many studies have demonstrating that. Our tremendous advances in technology and physics have make our treatment significantly less toxic and expanded its uses. Med onc's don't cure many solid cancers. Surgery and Radiation cure cancers on the front line...
 
I thought about this extensively when deciding which oncological career to pursue. I won't rehash the radiation-will-become-irrelevant arguments that we've all heard. But I did give them serious consideration, and I envision an different future based on the following points of reasoning. I'm just about to start intern year, so I am by no means yet an oncologist, so don't flame me if some details are inaccurate... unless they show a flaw in my broader logic, in which case, let's discuss!

1) How good do I think targeted therapies will get? Based on what they currently do, I think they'll get good at control... really good maybe. I believe targeted therapies for solid malignancies perhaps in conjunction with "personalized medicine" will allow medications to shrink and slow the growth of tumors. I don't think there are many examples of targeted therapies curing solid malignancy. They hold them at bay. They buy time. I imagine they'll buy more time in the future. Time to pursue a definitive approach. Surgery or radiation. So as med onc advances evolve and reliably halt the growth of tumors including metastatic disease, I believe the relevance of well-targeted (ie having benefited from all this lovely physics research) will be increasingly important in eradicating disease that medications have held in check. I'm less optimistic that any cocktail of targeted therapies is going to kill all cancer cells... it's just now how these agents work.

2) Investment in radiobiology is a promising way to make a systemic therapy (chemo, targeted, etc.) locally active and cancer specific. Radiation causes a dramatic change in cellular function. It alters transcription of myriad genes and activates numerous cell survival and cell death effectors. These processes occur differently in malignant versus normal cells. I view this as presenting a unique opportunity to use radiation to promote sensitivity to various potential targeted therapeutics. "Radiosensitization" is often discussed... I sorta view it the other way. Use radiation to activate survival pathways that we can attack with targeted therapies. I don't see the field as being particularly far along with this idea, despite its long history in the literature and being essentially the topic of research for all bench scientists in rad onc. Cancer is flipping hard to cure if you can't cut it out or zap it good. This difficulty is solidly grounded in the many ways cancer cells evolve and overcome seemingly slam dunk attempts at eradication. I believe there's a bit in The Emperor of All Maladies that discusses the discovery of Ras in 1982 and the foretold end of cancer within a few years as soon as we develop an inhibitor. Well. Here we are with no Ras inhibitors, and really no targeted therapies that cure solid tumors despite a dramatic increase in knowledge of how cancer works and agents that hit many oncogenes. This is not to sound pessimistic. It's to point out that the lack of fruit borne of attempts to use radiation and medical therapies together well is not surprising, and it's not too far out of step with advances in pure medical oncology. I do believe the field itself has to invest in this heavily. I'm not entirely sold on the idea that rad onc will become irrelevant without harnessing radiobiology, but for the sake of moving the field forward and improving patient outcomes, this is a no brainer.

3) Despite dramatic potential that I believe will be realized, I believe the potential of all medical therapy for cancer (chemo, targeted, immuno) is inherently limited by human and cancer biology. Put simply, they're very similar, and any "cancer specific" agent (say a nice cocktail of agents targeting the "driving" mutations of a malignancy) selects for resistance. It's like antibiotics... except instead of starting with evolutionarily distant cellular machinery to target, we're targeting our own stuff... this means we will be forever locked in a battle between off target effects and development of resistance. In general I don't believe in betting against future possibilities (with science!), but there are a limited number of small molecules, a limited number of targets, and a lot of incredibly complicated biology to unravel that argue strongly against counting on medical agents as the future whole answer to cancer. This relative pessimism for medical oncology as the absolute cure is simply recognition for what I believe: Cancer is multidisciplinary... local therapy with surgery and radiation are going to be important for the future of cancer care and will co-evolve with medical advances.

4) I agree that increasing doses ad infinitum and improving accuracy have been hugely important for the field, but are also approaching their limits. Ultra high dose requires precise delivery. These are excellent capabilities to have, but there are many instances where the strength of radiation lies in our ability to give it to a larger area for disease that may not be as localized as the dose we can give. So, since we can't give huge doses to lots of normal tissue, I believe we gotta figure out how to make radiation/targeted therapies work better with less radiation (see point 2).

5) Maybe my thinking on this is flawed, and this is kinda an evolution of point 4, but if radiation were to get as targeted as a surgeon's scalpel, are we giving up a hidden strength of radiation: the inexactness of its targetability? Meaning if I could zap a prostate and just a prostate, then I miss "the margins". Something I've thought about a bit, and I wonder if anyone else has thoughts on that concept.

Just some thoughts on these topics. As I was told on the interview trail (by the chair at the program to which I matched, btw): it's clear that I'm a novice in this field. I'm good with that, and I'm incredibly excited to join a field that I believe has a very bright future.

Cheers.
 
5) Maybe my thinking on this is flawed, and this is kinda an evolution of point 4, but if radiation were to get as targeted as a surgeon's scalpel, are we giving up a hidden strength of radiation: the inexactness of its targetability? Meaning if I could zap a prostate and just a prostate, then I miss "the margins". Something I've thought about a bit, and I wonder if anyone else has thoughts on that concept.

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I'm also a novice, but It's my understanding that this is a (known) big limitation in protons for prostate. You have this incredible precision but because of it, you have to add margins to make sure you're treating the whole prostate every fraction. If you didn't add the margins and the prostate is not where you thought it was, then a portion of the gland is not getting therapeutic dose. Because of the extra margins, you will treat more normal tissue.
 
1) How good do I think targeted therapies will get? Based on what they currently do, I think they'll get good at control... really good maybe. I believe targeted therapies for solid malignancies perhaps in conjunction with "personalized medicine" will allow medications to shrink and slow the growth of tumors. I don't think there are many examples of targeted therapies curing solid malignancy. They hold them at bay. They buy time. I imagine they'll buy more time in the future. Time to pursue a definitive approach. Surgery or radiation. So as med onc advances evolve and reliably halt the growth of tumors including metastatic disease, I believe the relevance of well-targeted (ie having benefited from all this lovely physics research) will be increasingly important in eradicating disease that medications have held in check. I'm less optimistic that any cocktail of targeted therapies is going to kill all cancer cells... it's just now how these agents work.
Actually I wouldn't be that optimistic. It seems that targetted therapies may not be as promising as one would think in the curative setting for treatment of solid tumors.
Other than breast cancer with trastuzumab, no other targetted therapy has been approved in the adjuvant setting after surgery; with cetuximab for h&n-cancer being the only other drug with a survival benefit given together with radiation therapy in definitive treatment. Oh wait, I forgot about glivec for GIST, but that's quite a rare disease...

We have several EGFR & VEGF-targetted therapies approved for metastatic disease (for example erlotinic for mutated nsclc, bevacizumab for crc, sunitinib for rcc), yet none of these drugs ever "made it" into the adjuvant setting.
Adjuvant treatment is still chemo based, not targetted-therapy based. And the trials have been performed for high-risk tumors in the adjuvant setting, they were simply negative.
Some people claim that the reason adjuvant trials have failed so far (for example bevacizumab in adjuvant crc) is that you need a certain tumor load for these therapies to work and that this tumor load is too low in the adjuvant setting. Makes sense actually: How would an anti-angiogenesis directed therapy work in a tumor which is still in the microscopic level (as in the adjuvant setting)?

Lymphoma on the other hand is a whole different ball game. Here targetted therapies are on the rise in the curative setting too with several new drugs entering now clinical practice and rituximab already resulted into a big survival benefit for a lot of patients there. I believe that 10 years from now, we may not be treating hodgkins disease with RT at all any more (PDL1 seems very promising there and anti-cd30-antibodies are active too).
 
Actually I wouldn't be that optimistic. It seems that targetted therapies may not be as promising as one would think in the curative setting for treatment of solid tumors.
Other than breast cancer with trastuzumab, no other targetted therapy has been approved in the adjuvant setting after surgery; with cetuximab for h&n-cancer being the only other drug with a survival benefit given together with radiation therapy in definitive treatment. Oh wait, I forgot about glivec for GIST, but that's quite a rare disease...

We have several EGFR & VEGF-targetted therapies approved for metastatic disease (for example erlotinic for mutated nsclc, bevacizumab for crc, sunitinib for rcc), yet none of these drugs ever "made it" into the adjuvant setting.
Adjuvant treatment is still chemo based, not targetted-therapy based. And the trials have been performed for high-risk tumors in the adjuvant setting, they were simply negative.
Some people claim that the reason adjuvant trials have failed so far (for example bevacizumab in adjuvant crc) is that you need a certain tumor load for these therapies to work and that this tumor load is too low in the adjuvant setting. Makes sense actually: How would an anti-angiogenesis directed therapy work in a tumor which is still in the microscopic level (as in the adjuvant setting)?

Lymphoma on the other hand is a whole different ball game. Here targetted therapies are on the rise in the curative setting too with several new drugs entering now clinical practice and rituximab already resulted into a big survival benefit for a lot of patients there. I believe that 10 years from now, we may not be treating hodgkins disease with RT at all any more (PDL1 seems very promising there and anti-cd30-antibodies are active too).
As it stands now, some med oncs think they don't need to send those patients for a radiation consult 🙄
 
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