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So I've been "working" in a research lab for roughly one month so far, and I got literally nothing out of it. All I do is sit and watch some guy for a couple hours each day...whether he is on his computer doing something or actually doing some western blotting, he hardly teaches me anything or talks to me at all. I have to constnatly ask questions just to get anything out of it....

The head guy in the lab is pretty chill, and I talked to him 2 times about my lack of involvement, and he said hell talk to the "guy". I showed motivation by doing reading outside the lab, so I was wondering how can I actually DO something..I don't expect my own project right away, but I have gotten nothing out of the past month in the lab..learned absolutely nothing..never was taught and im worried i never will be.

any advice or similar experiences?

PS: I even told the head guy I plan on being in the lab for over a year if everything goes smooth
 
So I've been "working" in a research lab for roughly one month so far, and I got literally nothing out of it. All I do is sit and watch some guy for a couple hours each day...whether he is on his computer doing something or actually doing some western blotting, he hardly teaches me anything or talks to me at all. I have to constnatly ask questions just to get anything out of it....

The head guy in the lab is pretty chill, and I talked to him 2 times about my lack of involvement, and he said hell talk to the "guy". I showed motivation by doing reading outside the lab, so I was wondering how can I actually DO something..I don't expect my own project right away, but I have gotten nothing out of the past month in the lab..learned absolutely nothing..never was taught and im worried i never will be.

any advice or similar experiences?

PS: I even told the head guy I plan on being in the lab for over a year if everything goes smooth
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well..my issue is im volunteering my time...not even getting paid and im not doing anything...i want to get involved in the research and learned something but im not...there must be something i can do
 
well..my issue is im volunteering my time...not even getting paid and im not doing anything...i want to get involved in the research and learned something but im not...there must be something i can do

I did this for 2 years in medical school. You should address your concerns to your PI, he sounds like he will get you in the game. Tell him that you're willing to do various experiments etc and that you want to learn. People like to teach others that want to learn. If he is a dick, then you'd be better leaving and finding another opportunity.

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Let me edit the above, I did volunteer work but had plant to do. However, the PI put me with a postdoc that couldn't speak English well and his writing was illegible, so it made things difficult. Very frustrating. What I learned was....it seems like if you don't get your results or opportunity immediately then everything will fall apart, but in reality, just keep with it. Engage yourself at every opportunity and unless you leave in a hell storm then it won't affect you negatively. Do what you can... Most importantly, give it your best shot.

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Speaking as someone with extensive research experience and someone who has trained other researchers, 1 month time is early to be complaining.

There's not a chance I'd allow someone to run experiments (especially if they are valuable) without some practice first. Ask if you can run your own Westerns with inexpensive proteins or something as easy as milk - lots of diff proteins with large, clearly identifiable bands. My suggestion is to ask if you can try your hand in some of the lab techniques.

If this lab still feels slow and boring after a semester, make a switch. This can be common with the socially awkward scientist-type personalities. Remember, basic science can take a year to multiple years to get publication quality results. This is not something where suddenly you're going to have huge responsibility and churn out a ton or results.

The guy training you does sound like a tool though... Hope this turns around for you.
 
Speaking as someone with extensive research experience and someone who has trained other researchers, 1 month time is early to be complaining.

There's not a chance I'd allow someone to run experiments (especially if they are valuable) without some practice first. Ask if you can run your own Westerns with inexpensive proteins or something as easy as milk - lots of diff proteins with large, clearly identifiable bands. My suggestion is to ask if you can try your hand in some of the lab techniques.

If this lab still feels slow and boring after a semester, make a switch. This can be common with the socially awkward scientist-type personalities. Remember, basic science can take a year to multiple years to get publication quality results. This is not something where suddenly you're going to have huge responsibility and churn out a ton or results.

The guy training you does sound like a tool though... Hope this turns around for you.

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1 month is a little early. I have mentored two students at the lab I work at, and it definitely took a few weeks for me to really trust the students to run the assays since they were expensive and our tissue stock was precious. It sounds like you are asking the right questions, but I would try to learn the specifics of what protein you are blotting and what it means to the project in general. In my opinion if a student has a good grip on the project, they are probably ready to try their hand at it. As mentioned I'd also ask to try some more standard blots, ask if you can do actin or another well established marker to show that you can run the protocol correctly. I'd also avoid going to the PI if you can help it, the guy training you may get pissed if you keep going above his head. Not that you are doing the wrong thing, but egos can be large in research.
 
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it sucks...
 
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I feel for yah.

If it's the type of lab that is only doing a small experiment every now and again, I would start shopping around for a new position. Research is pointless if you're not working with a goal in mind, aren't acquiring new skills and insight, and aren't working toward a presentation/publication. If you think this lab is not going to meet those criteria, I'd get out before putting a lot of time into this experience.
 
It took me a year before I started doing my own projects, give it some time. I wish I had been involved with research for 2 years, I would have been able to do so much more.

Keep at it and ask questions, this professor could be a valuable resource to you.
 
its actually a pretty funded lab and theres one md and 4 phds...they get a fair number of pubs...

the thing is at the rate im "learning" I will get my own project even within a year...the guy im working under doesn't like me. in fact, he doesn't like people. he's socially awkward and idk what to do...he doesn't want to teach me anything and i would not be suprised if he wants me to quit..

i constantly say I could stop by this weekend and afternoon or anytime since I decided not to get a job over the summer so i can concentrate on research, but he always say no. i feel like i just blew an entire summer...

and i somehow want to get a LOR out of this whole situation but i doubt i should cause itll prly be so bad...leaving will also not be a good idea since I already invested so much effort reading the pubs and understanding the material...

should i tell the PI straight up I don't like this guy..or what do u guys think
 
its actually a pretty funded lab and theres one md and 4 phds...they get a fair number of pubs...

the thing is at the rate im "learning" I will get my own project even within a year...the guy im working under doesn't like me. in fact, he doesn't like people. he's socially awkward and idk what to do...he doesn't want to teach me anything and i would not be suprised if he wants me to quit..

i constantly say I could stop by this weekend and afternoon or anytime since I decided not to get a job over the summer so i can concentrate on research, but he always say no. i feel like i just blew an entire summer...

and i somehow want to get a LOR out of this whole situation but i doubt i should cause itll prly be so bad...leaving will also not be a good idea since I already invested so much effort reading the pubs and understanding the material...

should i tell the PI straight up I don't like this guy..or what do u guys think

What I'd personally probably do is just talk to the guy. Be like, hey, I feel like I am not benefitting by this means, can we do it some other way instead? Or ask him if there is something else you can do, samples you can practice on, see what he says. I think it is good to remember sometimes the people in labs don't have a plethora of teaching experience. They are/were students themselves until recently after all. They may not realize something is wrong until you speak up.

If that doesn't work, then I'd consider talking to your PI again about it and if you feel like you are still not fitting in with this one, switch a lab! Thank them for the opportunity, find a good time to quit and move on.
 
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its actually a pretty funded lab and theres one md and 4 phds...they get a fair number of pubs...

the thing is at the rate im "learning" I will get my own project even within a year...the guy im working under doesn't like me. in fact, he doesn't like people. he's socially awkward and idk what to do...he doesn't want to teach me anything and i would not be suprised if he wants me to quit..

i constantly say I could stop by this weekend and afternoon or anytime since I decided not to get a job over the summer so i can concentrate on research, but he always say no. i feel like i just blew an entire summer...

and i somehow want to get a LOR out of this whole situation but i doubt i should cause itll prly be so bad...leaving will also not be a good idea since I already invested so much effort reading the pubs and understanding the material...

should i tell the PI straight up I don't like this guy..or what do u guys think

I was in a very similar situation a few summers back while I was participating in the Amgen Scholars Program. I had researched the lab prior and specifically requested to be placed in the lab to develop a set of skills that my current lab at the time did not have the resources for. I had no idea that the lab was dwindling down and downsizing (2 postdocs, and 2 RAs) or that the PI was not going to be readily available and not interested in mentoring. In fact, there was a miscommunication with the lab so they thought I was coming in as a part-time volunteer to do basically grunt work when I was supposed to be working full-time on a small project to present on at the end of the program.

It was incredibly frustrating to go into lab everyday to just read papers and shadow the RA especially when I knew that my peers were actually getting mentored, learning and excited about their work. They were incredibly backed up on their projects so they could not afford to waste any of their samples and just had me sit and watch for weeks at a time. The RA clearly did not expect to be mentoring full-time either and was applying to med school that cycle as well, so she was incredibly cold and bitter with her responses whenever I spoke up and asked questions. Her demeanor and attitude just soured the entire experience.

I tried talking to the PI multiple times and explained how the mentoring situation was less than ideal, but it was fairly early into the summer (at the month mark). He kept thinking that it was too early to start complaining and said to stick it out.

I got fed up with the entire situation and just started shadowing what other people were doing in the lab. One of the postdocs took me in and tried to talk to the PI in switching me over to her project, but she was transitioning out of the lab so that was not going to work out either. Apparently, this was not the first time that the RA was completely disrepectful to her mentees and the last one actually quit a few weeks in.

I had been corresponding with my program mentors throughout this entire lab conflict and eventually clamored to switch me out.

I would suggest shadowing and showing an interest in what other people in the lab are doing to possibly just switch mentors and/or projects. At the same time, looking into other labs that you could switch into - collaborators, neighboring labs, etc. Or start working part-time and supplementing your summer with clinical shadowing or volunteering so that its not a complete waste.
 
This is the story of a majority of undergrad's research experience. Give it time, build up their trust and hopefully things'll work out for you. I was "shadowing" (more like sitting mindlessly in a cubicle) for nearly a year before I got my own project
 
I shadowed for 30-40 hours a week for about two months before I started doing any real work. Give it time and keep on trucking.
 
I'm not complaining about lack of responsibility..I'm complaining about wasting my time..I go from 10-20 hour a week and I don't learn anything..I literally mean nothing. Absolutely zero..nada...despite the fact the pi said I would have a project by the time I come back for the summer, I don't care that much. I just hate wasting time. In particular, I hate sitting in a seat and watching someone label test tubes, work on the computer, and occasional do some small experiment while saying nothing. And to clarify this guy is a doctor (not licensed..been researching for 6 years since graduation) so idk if I can tell the pi I don't like him..idk....

This sounds like the guy I work for. The scientist has been doing this project for years and quite an in-depth project. I had to get to know some computer software in order to be totally involved and even then, it was an effort. The guy rarely spoke to me and when he did, never usual banter. I'm finally making headways now. I know because the guy I work for wouldn't go on vacation until I was toally comfortable. Now I know what to do. And 2 weeks ago, he went on vacation.
 
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