Research Question (RNA Purification)

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Sorry, need some answers quick to my problem (the PI and molcular biologist in our lab are both on vacation 🙁)

I tried purifying some RNA with Ambion Megaclear kit and what came out was a gigantic smear. It appears my RNA got shreded to bits along the way. Outside of RNase containmination, does someone who have used this kit before know the solution to my problem?
 
I'm a little confused by your description of a "gigantic smear." Where was this smear? Did you run your RNA on a gel after using the kit (you're not supposed to)? Also, make sure your transcription is in the correct range (i.e. did you make too large/small of an amount of RNA?). More info please....
 
Sorry, need some answers quick to my problem (the PI and molcular biologist in our lab are both on vacation 🙁)

I tried purifying some RNA with Ambion Megaclear kit and what came out was a gigantic smear. It appears my RNA got shreded to bits along the way. Outside of RNase containmination, does someone who have used this kit before know the solution to my problem?

yes more info is needed. How old is the RNA? RNA can stand up to quite a bit but will degrade over time. Could you have conflicting templates?

can you give us a play-by-play of what you're doing? the source of the RNA template? what you're using this for etc...

-j
 
I'm a little confused by your description of a "gigantic smear." Where was this smear? Did you run your RNA on a gel after using the kit (you're not supposed to)? Also, make sure your transcription is in the correct range (i.e. did you make too large/small of an amount of RNA?). More info please....

The RNA is only a couple of weeks old and is capped RNA synthesized with Ambion mMESSAGE. I ran a little bit of it on a gel right before purification and it gave one bright band as expected so it was not degraded before the purification. I ran the purified RNA on a gel and it gave the smear.

Can you clarify what you mean by "I'm not supposed to?" Why can't I run the purified RNA on a gel?

I've never used this kit before so I don't know what to expect or how to troubleshoot problems. As I mentioned above, everyone in the lab who's used it before is not available.
 
The RNA is only a couple of weeks old and is capped RNA synthesized with Ambion mMESSAGE. I ran a little bit of it on a gel right before purification and it gave one bright band as expected so it was not degraded before the purification. I ran the purified RNA on a gel and it gave the smear.

Can you clarify what you mean by "I'm not supposed to?" Why can't I run the purified RNA on a gel?

I've never used this kit before so I don't know what to expect or how to troubleshoot problems. As I mentioned above, everyone in the lab who's used it before is not available.

If anything smears on a gel the cause could be from a number of things - bad reagents, bad sample from contamination with protein or DNA, bad buffer mixed with agarose etc. What I would do is run a UV spec on the sample that you plan on putting on the gel to determine that you really have RNA in the tube and you have enough. Also, use the anti-aerosol tips to make sure that you aren't contaminating your sample from your pipettes. When I work with RNA (microRNA), I wipe all my instruments down with RNAse away from Invitrogen and use nothing but aerosol free tips, even for the extraction and elution steps.
 
That's always a possibility but I was wondering if there were any issues specific to using this kit.
 
Did you quantify it prior to purification? Also, when you say ran it on a gel, are you referring to after RT-PCR?
 
What you are seeing might be a result of the purification process or even how you ran the gel. Although you can run RNA on a 1% agarose gel, it sometimes isn't very accurate because the RNA can form secondary structures with itself and give a smeared appearance on the gel. To minimize this, you should only run the gel for about 15 minutes at about 90-100V. If you still get the smear, you might want to try running the gel with a different buffer with formaldehyde in it which keeps the RNA denatured. You can find directions on how to make the buffer here: [1], and directions on how to make formaldehyde loading dye here: [2].

[1]http://www.ambion.com/techlib/append/supp/rna_gel.html
[2]http://www.stratagene.com/manuals/200347.pdf pg. 15

For RNA prep, I wasn't using the same kit as you, but I had the same problem using two different kits. In RNA isolation, the problems are usually universal regardless of the kit used. If your gel isn't the problem, it gets more complicated because you could have introduced contamination anywhere during the protocol. Before trying the protocol again, wipe the ends of your pipettes with RNase Away. During the procedure, only use filter tips and epi's that are RNase free. When centrifuging, minimize centrifuging times to 15 secs. In the lab I worked in, I centrifuged for 15 secs at 13,000rpm for each step that required centrifuging. For the elution step, instead of using the elution buffer that came with the kits, I used 50uL-100uL pre-warmed TE buffer (pH 7.0) which was prepared with .1% DEPC ddH20 water. For elution, I centrifuged for a minute. After that I divided the sample into alliquots in RNase free epi's and stored the samples in the -80C. If you want to visualize on a gel, again use filter tips and RNase free epi's and do it as soon as you're finished. If you still get the smear after all that, one of the buffers in the kit might be contaminated. You might have to get new buffers if it didn't come with extra. Good luck. RNA experiments are a f pain.
 
What you are seeing might be a result of the purification process or even how you ran the gel. Although you can run RNA on a 1% agarose gel, it sometimes isn't very accurate because the RNA can form secondary structures with itself and give a smeared appearance on the gel. To minimize this, you should only run the gel for about 15 minutes at about 90-100V. If you still get the smear, you might want to try running the gel with a different buffer with formaldehyde in it which keeps the RNA denatured. You can find directions on how to make the buffer here: [1], and directions on how to make formaldehyde loading dye here: [2].

[1]http://www.ambion.com/techlib/append/supp/rna_gel.html
[2]http://www.stratagene.com/manuals/200347.pdf pg. 15

For RNA prep, I wasn't using the same kit as you, but I had the same problem using two different kits. In RNA isolation, the problems are usually universal regardless of the kit used. If your gel isn't the problem, it gets more complicated because you could have introduced contamination anywhere during the protocol. Before trying the protocol again, wipe the ends of your pipettes with RNase Away. During the procedure, only use filter tips and epi's that are RNase free. When centrifuging, minimize centrifuging times to 15 secs. In the lab I worked in, I centrifuged for 15 secs at 13,000rpm for each step that required centrifuging. For the elution step, instead of using the elution buffer that came with the kits, I used 50uL-100uL pre-warmed TE buffer (pH 7.0) which was prepared with .1% DEPC ddH20 water. For elution, I centrifuged for a minute. After that I divided the sample into alliquots in RNase free epi's and stored the samples in the -80C. If you want to visualize on a gel, again use filter tips and RNase free epi's and do it as soon as you're finished. If you still get the smear after all that, one of the buffers in the kit might be contaminated. You might have to get new buffers if it didn't come with extra. Good luck. RNA experiments are a f pain.


The RNA was run on a denaturing formaldehyde gel both times. It was my first time purifying RNA but not my first time making RNA. I synthesize RNA and run RNA gels all the time. Usually, we don't even go through the purification step but the RNAs I've been making haven't been expressing well so the PI suggested trying to purify them.

Like I said, before purification, it gave one band which is the way I want it. The RNA was the right size and everything. After purification, it gave a smear which means that the RNA got degraded sometime during the purification process.

The kit I used had been previously opened before so it's possible that the buffers/solutions got containminated. We do have another unopened one so I might try it again with a wild-type RNA to make sure. I will also try minimizing the centrifuging (whenever a protocol says "centrifuge for x to y seconds," I generally choose to centrifuge for the greater of the two 😳
 
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