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Hello,

I'm currently an ROTC student applying to medical school for 2007. Do you guys know if it's possible to get an educational delay to go to medical school and still branch into the reserve? I'm trying to avoid being obligated to do a military residency. I've been in the army before, and I'd like to be an active duty doctor, I'm just worried that my career after the army might suffer because of a weaker residency/delayed fellowship opportunities. Thanks for your help.
 
Hello,

I'm currently an ROTC student applying to medical school for 2007. Do you guys know if it's possible to get an educational delay to go to medical school and still branch into the reserve? I'm trying to avoid being obligated to do a military residency. I've been in the army before, and I'd like to be an active duty doctor, I'm just worried that my career after the army might suffer because of a weaker residency/delayed fellowship opportunities. Thanks for your help.

if you receive the educational delay, regardless of whether or not you do hpsp, then you will be assigned to the reserves. i presume what you mean is to be assigned to the ready reserve instead of the IRR.

if you don't take ROTC, then you could join a local reserve unit while you're in medical school, but that won't really further any of your goals. your 1 weekend/month and 2 weeks/year is only a drop in the bucket toward your ADO or toward retirement points. and you don't gain anything towards pay because your IRR time already counts for pay. i suppose you do ensure that you won't have any IRR time added on after you get out, but that's typically a non-issue for people who do army residencies. and that's not to mention the extra hassle of drilling during an already stressful period, i.e. medical school.

the only way to avoid your rotc ADO is to find a way to be on active duty while in medical school. outside of usuhs, that's simply not an option. you're stuck with at least applying for an army residency.

the only loophole i've ever heard about was one guy who, right before graduation, declined his commission. he already had his education delay, so when he got to medical school, he joined a local reserve unit as an E-4 according to the terms of his ROTC contract. somehow, and i don't really know how, his 4 years with the reserve unit while in medical school counted towards his ROTC ADO. he simultaneously applied for and was accepted for HPSP, so he was commissioned via HPSP as a 2LT and got his med. school tuition paid for as well. long story short, he ended up with both college and medical school paid for with only a 4 year ADO after his residency - but he still had to do an army residency.

obviously, i'm a little fuzzy on the details, but the guy swore he did this. i have no idea if this loophole still exists. it sounds pretty risky to me, and nevermind that you're going to piss off your PMS something awful by declining your commission at the last second.

all in all, you're stuck. pretty crappy for a decision many people make while they're 17 years old and still in highschool.
 
Hey,

Thanks a lot for your response. I definitely would never refuse a commission at the last moment. It might be convenient for me, but I don't think that I could do it in good conscience. I did sign a contract after all, a long time ago... But I think I might not have been really clear in my original post. In ROTC it seems like my options are to take an ed. delay and go on active duty after medical school, or take a reserve commission in the medical service corps, or something, and be a drilling reserve officer while I'm in medical school. In the first case it seems like my residency options are limited, and in the second case I would have to drill (and possibly be deployed) while I was in medical school. What I would really like to do is avoid both of these situations and accept a reserve commission, but get an ed. delay so that I won't have to drill in medical school and be stuck in some crappy branch. It also seems like only officers with an active duty obligation are required to apply for military residencies, so I could dodge that bullet as well. So I guess what I want to do is end up as a physician in the reserve component... It seems like it should be possible for a person to become a reserve physician without already being a civillian physician and receiving a direct commission...
 
Hey,

Thanks a lot for your response. I definitely would never refuse a commission at the last moment. It might be convenient for me, but I don't think that I could do it in good conscience. I did sign a contract after all, a long time ago... But I think I might not have been really clear in my original post. In ROTC it seems like my options are to take an ed. delay and go on active duty after medical school, or take a reserve commission in the medical service corps, or something, and be a drilling reserve officer while I'm in medical school. In the first case it seems like my residency options are limited, and in the second case I would have to drill (and possibly be deployed) while I was in medical school. What I would really like to do is avoid both of these situations and accept a reserve commission, but get an ed. delay so that I won't have to drill in medical school and be stuck in some crappy branch. It also seems like only officers with an active duty obligation are required to apply for military residencies, so I could dodge that bullet as well. So I guess what I want to do is end up as a physician in the reserve component... It seems like it should be possible for a person to become a reserve physician without already being a civillian physician and receiving a direct commission...

you're right in that the fine print of the rotc contract does list the reserves as one way of serving out your obligation. in recent memory though (at least the last decade) the army has not allowed people to go that route; they've required people to go the active duty route - and that was before we were at war and people were getting out of the military left and right. the only exception is those people who sign a national guard contract which specifically stipulates they will fulfill their obligation in that manner. everyone else i've ever known, including myself, have had to do the active duty option.
 
Get a Guaranteed Reserve Force Duty Contract (GRFD). Then contact the medical recruiter for your state. When you're in med school, you're in the med student-to med corps program. You are non-deployable during school/residency. I know because I'm doing it right now and I was just commissioned at Ft. Lewis for ROTC this summer
 
Get a Guaranteed Reserve Force Duty Contract (GRFD). Then contact the medical recruiter for your state. When you're in med school, you're in the med student-to med corps program. You are non-deployable during school/residency. I know because I'm doing it right now and I was just commissioned at Ft. Lewis for ROTC this summer

Just curious, how often do you drill? What kind of work do you do? Thanks
 
Uh, from what I know is that they have a few very competitive slot for ROTC students to go into medical school (this is the case with NROTC). I guess things are slightly more complicated for the Army.

For NROTC, I have to get a recommendation letter from the CO, write an essay to CNET explaining why I want to be a doctor and send them my MCAT scores.

Talk to your program advisor. Mine was very helpful.
 
Get a Guaranteed Reserve Force Duty Contract (GRFD). Then contact the medical recruiter for your state. When you're in med school, you're in the med student-to med corps program. You are non-deployable during school/residency. I know because I'm doing it right now and I was just commissioned at Ft. Lewis for ROTC this summer

Hey,
Thanks for the info. So while you're in medical school/residency are you in the IRR, or do you drill with some unit but fill a nondeployable slot? Also, when during this program would you have to go ot OBC? If you could send me a link describing this med-student to med-corps program I'd really appreciate it.
 
Someone mentioned earlier about IRR and not getting any credit for pay or something to that regard. You have to have "good years" of serviceable credit. Use AKO and take correspondence courses to achieve said credit. THe other thing is if you can find a drilling unit that is not doing much ifanything from an OPTEMPO standpoint. It is possible, you just got to know where and how to look.

Good Luck!!!:luck:
 
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