Residency 101 - Need help to understand few basic things

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I understand that Medicare pays for residents with certain fixed budget (correct me if this is wrong) but...
1. How hospitals/medical school get allocation for residency?
2. How specialties are distributed t them?

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Sorry, if this is too naive question but I can't find out for example how one school gets x number of dermatology and y number of internal medicine position for residency and other school get different numbers. Or do they all get distributed evenly? Who determines this? Hypothetically, Can one hospital gets 30 dermatology residency position?
 
Each hospital has their # of CMS funded residency spots. These are then distributed by the hospital to the various programs they have. Note that the number of spots has been fixed for ages so most places have more actual residents than fully funded positions.

To your question, yes, in theory, if a program felt that they needed 30 derm residents, and the Dermatology RRC agreed and approved those spots (which would never happen...Derm is probably the most fiercely protective specialty out there aside from maybe plastics and Ophtho), a hospital could allocate30 training spots to the Derm program.

But no, it's never going to happen, and I've only outlined a few of the reasons why not.
 
Sorry, if this is too naive question but I can't find out for example how one school gets x number of dermatology and y number of internal medicine position for residency and other school get different numbers. Or do they all get distributed evenly? Who determines this? Hypothetically, Can one hospital gets 30 dermatology residency position?

So there's two separate allocations here - the number of training spots per program that is allowed and the number of spots that is funded. These are often discordant.

When the ACGME accredits a residency program, the RRC (residency review committee) for that specialty reviews the resources available to the program and sets a maximum # of residents it can have. This consideration includes the # of faculty members, the volumes in clinics, and the available # of procedures/beds/etc in the hospital. For example, they'll look at the total number of clinic visits in all of the academic clinic and say "if you had a resident in every clinic, even the ones that aren't currently covered, how many residents would that training volume support?". For surgical specialties, often specific cases are the holdup here - Ob/Gyn programs are often limited by hysterectomy numbers for example. When programs are accredited they basically can ask for whatever complement of residents they want - and if the volumes support it, they'll be approved for that.

The second allocation here is actually paying the residents. Funding from medicare is typically allocated on an *institutional* level, not to individual programs. So if University of XYZ Hospital has been allocated funding for 200 residents, and their programs have a total of 300 spots between all residents of all years, the University can allocate the medicare funds however it wants. Now, there's funding from other sources (Medicaid, state funding, VA funding, internal funding) that may be allocated differently - and it may be required to go to one kind of program or another.

If there's more spots than there is funding, the hospital system can choose to fund the extra spots internally - or just leave them empty. The ACGME accredited spots are a maximum, not a requirement. For a personal example, my fellowship program (which typically had 4-5 fellows total between the 2-3 years) was approved by the ACGME for up to 8 total fellows/year due to the number of faculty members and the clinic volumes. If they had the extra funds, they could have doubled the size of the fellowship - but they didn't, so they didn't.
 
Each hospital has their # of CMS funded residency spots. These are then distributed by the hospital to the various programs they have. Note that the number of spots has been fixed for ages so most places have more actual residents than fully funded positions.

To your question, yes, in theory, if a program felt that they needed 30 derm residents, and the Dermatology RRC agreed and approved those spots (which would never happen...Derm is probably the most fiercely protective specialty out there aside from maybe plastics and Ophtho), a hospital could allocate30 training spots to the Derm program.

But no, it's never going to happen, and I've only outlined a few of the reasons why not.
Thank you
 
So there's two separate allocations here - the number of training spots per program that is allowed and the number of spots that is funded. These are often discordant.

When the ACGME accredits a residency program, the RRC (residency review committee) for that specialty reviews the resources available to the program and sets a maximum # of residents it can have. This consideration includes the # of faculty members, the volumes in clinics, and the available # of procedures/beds/etc in the hospital. For example, they'll look at the total number of clinic visits in all of the academic clinic and say "if you had a resident in every clinic, even the ones that aren't currently covered, how many residents would that training volume support?". For surgical specialties, often specific cases are the holdup here - Ob/Gyn programs are often limited by hysterectomy numbers for example. When programs are accredited they basically can ask for whatever complement of residents they want - and if the volumes support it, they'll be approved for that.

The second allocation here is actually paying the residents. Funding from medicare is typically allocated on an *institutional* level, not to individual programs. So if University of XYZ Hospital has been allocated funding for 200 residents, and their programs have a total of 300 spots between all residents of all years, the University can allocate the medicare funds however it wants. Now, there's funding from other sources (Medicaid, state funding, VA funding, internal funding) that may be allocated differently - and it may be required to go to one kind of program or another.

If there's more spots than there is funding, the hospital system can choose to fund the extra spots internally - or just leave them empty. The ACGME accredited spots are a maximum, not a requirement. For a personal example, my fellowship program (which typically had 4-5 fellows total between the 2-3 years) was approved by the ACGME for up to 8 total fellows/year due to the number of faculty members and the clinic volumes. If they had the extra funds, they could have doubled the size of the fellowship - but they didn't, so they didn't.
Thanks for detailed explanation. Now I understand process of approval, funding and allocating residency.
 
Sorry, if this is too naive question but I can't find out for example how one school gets x number of dermatology and y number of internal medicine position for residency and other school get different numbers. Or do they all get distributed evenly? Who determines this? Hypothetically, Can one hospital gets 30 dermatology residency position?

No, it isn't too naive. I just didn't follow what you were asking. Sorry!
 
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