Residency contacted me after interviewing...what does this mean?

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Hello, I recieved an email today from one of the programs I interviewed at a couple of weeks ago for a categorical Int. Med. spot. (I'm a DO applying to some allopathic programs). Basically the email stated that they really liked me and that they think I would be a great fit at their program and they hope I feel the same way.
My question's are: Is it common for residency programs to send out letters like this post interview? If so, what do they mean? Are they basically telling me that they want to rank me highly? Are they hinting that they want to sign outside of the match (this would be possible to do since I'm a D.O.)? How should I follow up with this?
Thanks for any advice you all may have!
 
My question's are: Is it common for residency programs to send out letters like this post interview? If so, what do they mean? Are they basically telling me that they want to rank me highly? Are they hinting that they want to sign outside of the match (this would be possible to do since I'm a D.O.)? How should I follow up with this?

- Yes.
- Exactly what they say.
- Yes.
- Maybe, depends if they do pre-matches or not.
- Email...if you like the program and would like to go there, tell them as much. If you're interested in pre-match, ask if they do that and tell them you'd be interested.
 
Hello, I recieved an email today from one of the programs I interviewed at a couple of weeks ago for a categorical Int. Med. spot. (I'm a DO applying to some allopathic programs). Basically the email stated that they really liked me and that they think I would be a great fit at their program and they hope I feel the same way.
My question's are: Is it common for residency programs to send out letters like this post interview? If so, what do they mean? Are they basically telling me that they want to rank me highly? Are they hinting that they want to sign outside of the match (this would be possible to do since I'm a D.O.)? How should I follow up with this?
Thanks for any advice you all may have!

do you know anyone else who interviewed there? did they get the same email? are they honest enough to tell you if they got the same email? try to figure out if this is something specific to you or if they just tell everybody the same thing. i've heard the same thing at the end of all my interviews so far, mostly in phone calls and word of mouth, though. no emails.
 
No, unfortunately I do not know any of the other people they have interviewing there. If I did I would certainly try to find out. I'm thinking I should follow up sometime this up coming week either with an email to the program director or a phone call? Its certainly one of my top 3 choices so if I was offered a spot outside the match I couldn't refuse. I just wanted to find out if this was something alot of people get from multiple programs?
 
- Yes.
- Exactly what they say.
- Yes.
- Maybe, depends if they do pre-matches or not.
- Email...if you like the program and would like to go there, tell them as much. If you're interested in pre-match, ask if they do that and tell them you'd be interested.

Agreed

I got a letter from my internship program and from my advanced program. I wrote them back saying I'd rank them highly and ended up there.
 
A friend of mine told me that the program would be put on probation by the 'powers that be' if they sign someone outside of the match or tell them how they are going to rank. Is this true? I thought that it was perfectly legal to sign a DO or other independent applicant outside of the match? Any input from aprogramdirector or drcox?
 
A friend of mine told me that the program would be put on probation by the 'powers that be' if they sign someone outside of the match or tell them how they are going to rank. Is this true? I thought that it was perfectly legal to sign a DO or other independent applicant outside of the match? Any input from aprogramdirector or drcox?

Programs are allowed to sign Independent applicants outside of the match. However, they are required to fill 75% of their positions within the NRMP:

"The NRMP requires the program directors' group of each specialty participating in the SMS Matching Program to execute annually an "NRMP Program Directors' Annual Participation Agreement" that commits active participation of at least 75 percent of the group's eligible programs and a minimum of 75 percent of all available positions in the specialty for that year. If a group fails to register 75 percent of its eligible programs and/or positions, the NRMP, at its discretion, may discontinue such group's participation in matches managed by the NRMP."

Because of the above, some programs prefer not to sign applicants outside of the match, but it is not a match violation nor does the NRMP have any power to put a program on probation. That is a function of the ACGME and its accreditation committees.

Programs are discouraged from giving applicants specifics (ie, "we will rank you number 1") but there is no rule preventing programs from telling applicants they will rank them "highly":

"8.0 Restrictions on Persuasion

One of the purposes of the Matching Program is to allow both applicants and programs to make selection decisions on a uniform schedule and without undue or unwarranted pressure. Both applicants and programs may express a high degree of interest in each other and try to encourage future ranking decisions in their favor, but must not solicit statements implying a commitment. Although applicants and programs may volunteer how they plan to rank each other, it is a breach of this Agreement to request such information. In addition, only the final preferences of programs and applicants, as expressed on their final certified rank order lists, will determine the offering of positions and the placement of applicants through the Matching Program. It is a breach of the applicable Match Participation Agreement for a participant in the Matching Program to make any verbal or written contract for appointment to a concurrent year residency position prior to the Matching Program."
 
Thank you for that information! That summarizes everything nicely👍
 
Hello, I recieved an email today from one of the programs I interviewed at a couple of weeks ago for a categorical Int. Med. spot. (I'm a DO applying to some allopathic programs). Basically the email stated that they really liked me and that they think I would be a great fit at their program and they hope I feel the same way.
My question's are: Is it common for residency programs to send out letters like this post interview? If so, what do they mean? Are they basically telling me that they want to rank me highly? Are they hinting that they want to sign outside of the match (this would be possible to do since I'm a D.O.)? How should I follow up with this?
Thanks for any advice you all may have!

I have heard that this sort of thing happens quite a lot, and that you should take such statements with a grain of salt. I was initially tempted to write "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING" in response to your question "what do they mean?".

I know that many resident applicants in the past have been burned big-time by letting such letters influence their ROL decisions...I have heard of programs that will send communications basically guaranteeing applicants spots only to not rank said applicants in the end (I am saying that as a generalization; I do NOT have specifics on any program that has done this). Keep in mind as you rank your programs that this is a GAME being played by both applicants and programs...do NOT place too much stock in communications like this as you rank your programs.

I have not much to say regarding the possibility that said program might want to sign you outside of the match. For that, I'll defer to what others have to say on the issue.

I don't want to sound too negative, nor do I want to belittle any advice given on this thread; I basically wanted to say to take what that program is saying with a grain of salt.

Dr. S out.
 
I have heard that this sort of thing happens quite a lot, and that you should take such statements with a grain of salt. I was initially tempted to write "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING" in response to your question "what do they mean?".

I know that many resident applicants in the past have been burned big-time by letting such letters influence their ROL decisions...I have heard of programs that will send communications basically guaranteeing applicants spots only to not rank said applicants in the end (I am saying that as a generalization; I do NOT have specifics on any program that has done this). Keep in mind as you rank your programs that this is a GAME being played by both applicants and programs...do NOT place too much stock in communications like this as you rank your programs.

I have not much to say regarding the possibility that said program might want to sign you outside of the match. For that, I'll defer to what others have to say on the issue.

I don't want to sound too negative, nor do I want to belittle any advice given on this thread; I basically wanted to say to take what that program is saying with a grain of salt.

Dr. S out.

Totally agree; rank programs based on YOUR OWN preferences, not based on where you feel you have the best chance of matching. The NRMP publishes the algorithm and it's not nearly as complex as some make it out to be. PDs who want the best candidates for their program will rank solely on their own preference. The only reason to rank based on "likelihood" is to brag about not having to go far down their rank list. As applicants, we should all take the same approach. What's more important, getting the best possible program for yourself or bragging to your friends that you got your first choice?
 
Hi, That is a good question... I am also applying to a Categorical IM position. I have received an email, letter, or card from 3/4 places that I have interviewed (and my 4th interview was only yesterday). I think there are a number of things to consider. The safest thing to assume is: ?. I have heard that this is a way for a program to feel out the applicant. It is a good sign that they want to know what you think. For example: if they really thought they didn't like you or that you wouldn't fit well in their program, I doubt that they would send such feelers out. The best analogy I can make for this interviewing process is that it is like dating. If a guy asks a girl out (a program offers you an interview), and she is interested then she says yes immediately (you accept interview promptly). If the guy has a good time on the date he will call her within the next few days (the program may contact you in some way). If she also had a good time on the date then she answers his first call, flirts, acts interested. If she had an ok time, but doesn't want to give the impression that she really really is into him, then she may not answer the first call, and may take 2 days to get back to him. When he asks her on a 2nd date, she may say that she has something else going on but maybe some other time. (If you liked the program and think it could be a good match then respond to their email - let them know you think it could be a good fit too.) Also, be careful though. Just because a guy and girl like eachother, there are many other fish in the sea, and they could date for a while - but this doesn't assure they will be married. So, respond in the way that will give them the best message of how you feel about their program, but in a vague way, and know that this doesn't commit them to you, or you to them.
 
Oddly enough, a couple of friends and I were talking about the TV show "The Bachelor" today at lunch and how it's all a game in which The Bachelor(ette) strings all the ladies (men) along (and makes each one feel like his (her) #1 choice) until (s)he ultimately rejects all but one. I didn't say anything about this at the time, but I was strangely reminded of how much of a game this whole residency application process is...
 
what if you have not heard anything from the program?

I interviewed in a program that I liked very much, sent out my thank you emails, but have not heard anything from them not even from the PC who was very quick to reply to me before. I don't remember doing anything particularly foolish during the interview, and i thought it went great. So I am being a little paranoid here...anybody matched without receiving any word form their program after the interview?
 
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other programs i interviewed in sent me courtesy letters. So I was just surprised with this one. It's not that competitive of a program, but I like it
 
what if you have not heard anything from the program?

I interviewed in a program that I liked very much, sent out my thank you emails, but have not heard anything from them not even from the PC who was very quick to reply to me before. I don't remember doing anything particularly foolish during the interview, and i thought it went great. So I am being a little paranoid here...anybody matched without receiving any word form their program after the interview?

I'm under the impression that this happens all the time. Not every program is so aggressive post-interview. Program directors and coordinators are very busy people so there might not be much time for contacting applicants after the interview unless the applicant initiates.

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other programs i interviewed in sent me courtesy letters. So I was just surprised with this one. It's not that competitive of a program, but I like it


So far, I haven't received any further letters or contact from any programs I've interviewed at...granted, it's only been 2.5 weeks since my first interview. I think it's really program dependent on how aggressively they'll contact applicants they like.
 
went through 4 interviews... No word from a single program so far. I am guessing programs do send out feedback but mainly to applicants they will rank high and probably more towards the end of december and january when the list is being set up.
 
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other programs i interviewed in sent me courtesy letters. So I was just surprised with this one. It's not that competitive of a program, but I like it

Many programs, including some very competitive ones, have a blanket policy of not contacting interviewees, even after receiving thank you letters/emails. Try not to read the tea leaves too much. I didn't get messages from the top 4 places I ranked (and I matched #1) but got correspondence from a lot of places I didn't even rank.
 
Ha! Ha! I know... it's just that when you like a program, you really kinda wonder if they like you back too...like the above said, dating 😛 tee hee hee. Thanks for the responses!
 
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