Residency letter question

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I’m a current rotating intern and am going to be applying for a cardio residency. I am going to do an external rotation outside of the hospital I work at for 2 weeks to a hospital I plan on applying to for my residency. My question is, do you think 2 weeks is enough to ask for a letter? And is it frowned upon to ask for a letter at the place I’m externing and plan to apply to?
 
It really just depends. In an ideal world, your main residency LORs would know you really well and champion your application. Do you think they got to know you and your abilities well enough during a two week period? For some people the answer could be yes, for others, no. Cardio is not my specialty so vmmv in a specialty other than my own, but in my opinion, a lukewarm to poor letter will tank your chances faster than anything. I think you absolutely need a letter from someone in the specialty you’re pursuing, but they also need to be strong letters. I’d ask them if they’re comfortable writing you a strong positive letter and if they hesitate or say no, find someone else. Hopefully they’d decline writing one if they didn’t feel able to accurately evaluate you, but stranger things have happened.

For your second question, it’s usually fine to ask for a letter from a place you’re considering going to but there are caveats. My program’s residency coordinator would not write letters intended to be delivered to her own program to avoid any question of impropriety or favoritism among the selection committee. She’d write them for you and send them to other schools, but if you were applying to her program you needed to find another reference. Other faculty members on the service but not in a supervisory resident coordinator role would write letters even for applicants applying for their own program. There’s no real “rule” to my knowledge, just what everyone is personally comfortable with.
 
It really just depends. In an ideal world, your main residency LORs would know you really well and champion your application. Do you think they got to know you and your abilities well enough during a two week period? For some people the answer could be yes, for others, no. Cardio is not my specialty so vmmv in a specialty other than my own, but in my opinion, a lukewarm to poor letter will tank your chances faster than anything. I think you absolutely need a letter from someone in the specialty you’re pursuing, but they also need to be strong letters. I’d ask them if they’re comfortable writing you a strong positive letter and if they hesitate or say no, find someone else. Hopefully they’d decline writing one if they didn’t feel able to accurately evaluate you, but stranger things have happened.

For your second question, it’s usually fine to ask for a letter from a place you’re considering going to but there are caveats. My program’s residency coordinator would not write letters intended to be delivered to her own program to avoid any question of impropriety or favoritism among the selection committee. She’d write them for you and send them to other schools, but if you were applying to her program you needed to find another reference. Other faculty members on the service but not in a supervisory resident coordinator role would write letters even for applicants applying for their own program. There’s no real “rule” to my knowledge, just what everyone is personally comfortable with.
That’s understandable. I just worry because I have one letter from a cardiologist and one from an internist, but for my third I don’t have another cardiologist at my hospital. I could ask another internist but I know a cardiologist would probably be stronger right?
 
That’s understandable. I just worry because I have one letter from a cardiologist and one from an internist, but for my third I don’t have another cardiologist at my hospital. I could ask another internist but I know a cardiologist would probably be stronger right?
It really depends on content. I mean all things absolutely equal, yes, imo the more strong recs you can get from people in your specialty the better. But reality is, all things are not equal and content does matter. A glowing, “mashedpotatoes is the best interns I’ve ever worked with” letter from an internist may hold more power than a “yeah, this person did good in my class and seems dedicated from what I know about them” meh letter from a second cardiologist. You absolutely need at least one from your specialty of interest, but for the others I’d focus on who will promote you the strongest.

Just yesterday afternoon I read through 20 cover letters and letters of recommendation for a residency externship program my company hosts. The people who had the most enthusiastic letters of rec got put at the top of my list.
 
That’s understandable. I just worry because I have one letter from a cardiologist and one from an internist, but for my third I don’t have another cardiologist at my hospital. I could ask another internist but I know a cardiologist would probably be stronger right?
I would ask one of your cardiology mentors what they think. I'm in a different specialty than you and don't know about cardio, but I was advised to have a letter from ECC too, as that is the service that rotating interns spend the most time on and thus that faculty see your growth as a doctor the most on. It was described to me as "they'll train you to be a good [surgeon in my case], but they need to know that you're a good doctor too."
 
I’m a current rotating intern and am going to be applying for a cardio residency. I am going to do an external rotation outside of the hospital I work at for 2 weeks to a hospital I plan on applying to for my residency. My question is, do you think 2 weeks is enough to ask for a letter? And is it frowned upon to ask for a letter at the place I’m externing and plan to apply to?
I personally don't think two weeks is enough to make for a good/reliable letter for a residency.

Fwiw, it's not probably not frowned upon to have an LOR from a place you plan to apply, in some situations that's inevitable. What is probably more important/impactful than getting a letter from this externship is making sure they love you after the two weeks, and that you have several letters from other clinicians elsewhere telling them that yes, you are fantastic.
 
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