Residency options as DO

[Mjolner]

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So based on my position someone who is highly interested in general surgery and ortho and wants to have good shot at getting either of those residencies with good scores and etc should I if I do not get accepted to any allopathic school and get accepted osteopathic attend the osteopathic school or work on my application till I get accepted to allopathic school?

I'd say go DO. Surgery is doable. Ortho not to much. Plus, you're surely going to change your mind about specialties once you get in and start rotations.

 

[deleted421268]

I'd say go DO. Surgery is doable. Ortho not to much. Plus, you're surely going to change your mind about specialties once you get in and start rotations.

Not just surgery and ortho but all specialties in general. I want to have equal opportunity at any specialty going DO. What specialties will be hard and almost impossible to get DO wise after merger and around 2020 and onward? Based on all that still go DO? MD chances of getting each specialty vs DO Chances?

 

[Dustbowl12]

Monday or Tuesday yes. I have block exam Monday, no screwing around tomorrow. And I'm heading to bed now.

I just read some links on this, and you are correct. 15-20 MD programs have applied for Osteopathic focus, HOWEVER, most of the DO programs that have switched to ACGME have not applied for osteopathic focus.

I wonder why. I still believe that they will remain DO friendly, there is no logical reason for them not to. The PDs at these programs that have switched are mostly DOs, doesn't seem they will go against their own kind. Theres nothing to indicate programs that have switched over aren't taking DOs, they just aren't applying for osteopathic focus, perhaps because they don't feel the need to since they are historically DO residencies.

I guess the we just have to wait and see why DO programs are not going for osteopathic recognition? Do they not have to, or are they not willing to deal with extra paperwork, or do they see it as unnecessary, or are they abandoning their own?

We won't know unless the osteopathic recognition element is explained in further detail and until we see how match lists change

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Not just surgery and ortho but all specialties in general. I want to have equal opportunity at any specialty going DO. What specialties will be hard and almost impossible to get DO wise after merger and around 2020 and onward? Based on all that still go DO? MD chances of getting each specialty vs DO Chances?

Use the search function. It has been discussed ad nauseum. Bottom line, work your butt off and take whatever acceptance comes. The DO won't limit you anywhere near the point of not taking it. When you get to whatever medical school you get to just plan to work as hard as you can for the specialty you want.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

This has just turned into another "MD vs DO" thread. If you have the scores and LORs from research professors and physicians, then you will most likely match into whichever residency you choose. You may have to downgrade the residency location, but I highly doubt being a DO is that big if a deal if your scores and LORs stand out. I have said it before and I will say it again; I know several DOs who specialize in areas that SDN thinks DOs have no business being. Plastic Surgery, Derm, Neurosurgery, and no they aren't some freak geniuses. Another thing I have come to realize is when people talk about the prestigious programs, say for example Duke Universitie's cardiology residency program, they tend to forget that there are many many physicians who have trained there in the past that have moved to other, less prestigious hospitals and help teach new residents at their new hospital. My point is you don't have to go to a top notch university or hospital residency position to get the top notch training. I work under 2 GI surgeons who both went to Johns Hopkins and one Orthopedic Surgeon who went to Harvard and they all take on residents.

 

[IslandStyle808]

This has just turned into another "MD vs DO" thread. If you have the scores and LORs from research professors and physicians, then you will most likely match into whichever residency you choose. You may have to downgrade the residency location, but I highly doubt being a DO is that big if a deal if your scores and LORs stand out. I have said it before and I will say it again; I know several DOs who specialize in areas that SDN thinks DOs have no business being. Plastic Surgery, Derm, Neurosurgery, and no they aren't some freak geniuses. Another thing I have come to realize is when people talk about the prestigious programs, say for example Duke Universitie's cardiology residency program, they tend to forget that there are many many physicians who have trained there in the past that have moved to other, less prestigious hospitals and help teach new residents at their new hospital. My point is you don't have to go to a top notch university or hospital residency position to get the top notch training. I work under 2 GI surgeons who both went to Johns Hopkins and one Orthopedic Surgeon who went to Harvard and they all take on residents.

As residents have stated in the past, just because a place is prestigious doesn't mean you are going to get top notch training either. This also depends on the attendings and residents teaching you.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

As residents have stated in the past, just because a place is prestigious doesn't mean you are going to get top notch training either. This also depends on the attendings and residents teaching you.

I completely agree.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Not just surgery and ortho but all specialties in general. I want to have equal opportunity at any specialty going DO. What specialties will be hard and almost impossible to get DO wise after merger and around 2020 and onward? Based on all that still go DO? MD chances of getting each specialty vs DO Chances?

Well, it is your choice. If you want to go all in for allopathic the first time, I don't see this as a problem. However, don't end up being that applicant that tries three times for allo only. Sometimes you have to see the bigger picture and ask yourself "is it more important to get into a prestigious schools to have a better chance at an excellent residency OR is it important that I get into a good medical school and become a doctor no matter what the field?" I don't want to tell you what is the right or wrong decision, but give you another thought to ponder about.

 

[Gandyy]

Do you realize there are countless AOA programs that are exclusive to DOs? What you are saying isn't even logical. We have ortho, gen surg, anesth, etc.

With the merger these residencies will still favor DO's. Not much will change outside of fact that the weaker AOA residencies will have to rise to the occasion, something that benefits all.

Many of those exclusive AOA programs will either be shut down or DOs will have competition from MDs by 2018! 2020 is just the ending deadline. Many programs will have merged by 2018. DO's matching now are being affected by the merger according to some of the medical students in DO schools. I wouldnt depend on favoritism to DOs from those PDs either.

Well, it is your choice. If you want to go all in for allopathic the first time, I don't see this as a problem. However, don't end up being that applicant that tries three times for allo only. Sometimes you have to see the bigger picture and ask yourself "is it more important to get into a prestigious schools to have a better chance at an excellent residency OR is it important that I get into a good medical school and become a doctor no matter what the field." I don't want to tell you what is the right or wrong decision, but give you another thought to ponder about.

Exactly. At some point, you have to realize that the MCAT is the single largest/highest impact thing on an application. If you have everything else (High GPA, ECs, Strong Letters, etc) but cant get up the MCAT to where you can get into an allopathic school, then its time to just come to terms. The MCAT is the hardest part of the med school application for many many people. Those who can just study the normal time and get their 31+ score usually can build a pretty solid app otherwise since its considerably easier to get a higher GPA, Great ECs, and great letters from people who you can build a strong relationship with. The MCAT determines whether your app is Caribbean worthy or Wash U Med worthy.

The medical school admissions game is largely catered to those who naturally excel at standardized tests either with or without studying. The point is there are many who cannot get a 31+ on the MCAT after several months of studying so at some point you have to come to terms with this and just go DO. Its not worth wasting years and years of your life trying to get into an Allopathic School. Lets say you do get into some low tier Allopathic school. A good chunk of those students will still find it incredibly hard to match Ortho, Derm, Plastics anyways.

What if you do 3 cycles of MD and never get in? Then what? You just spent 3 years of your life attempting to get into an allopathic while you could have been almost done with medical school.

This is just my opinion though, and everyone's life is different.

 

[Theseus]

Many of those exclusive AOA programs will either be shut down or DOs will have competition from MDs by 2018! 2020 is just the ending deadline. Many programs will have merged by 2018. DO's matching now are being affected by the merger according to some of the medical students in DO schools. I wouldnt depend on favoritism to DOs from those PDs either.

Exactly. At some point, you have to realize that the MCAT is the single largest/highest impact thing on an application. If you have everything else (High GPA, ECs, Strong Letters, etc) but cant get up the MCAT to where you can get into an allopathic school, then its time to just come to terms. The MCAT is the hardest part of the med school application for many many people. Those who can just study the normal time and get their 31+ score usually can build a pretty solid app otherwise since its considerably easier to get a higher GPA, Great ECs, and great letters from people who you can build a strong relationship with. The MCAT determines whether your app is Caribbean worthy or Wash U Med worthy.

The medical school admissions game is largely catered to those who naturally excel at standardized tests either with or without studying. The point is there are many who cannot get a 31+ on the MCAT after several months of studying so at some point you have to come to terms with this and just go DO. Its not worth wasting years and years of your life trying to get into an Allopathic School. Lets say you do get into some low tier Allopathic school. A good chunk of those students will still find it incredibly hard to match Ortho, Derm, Plastics anyways.

What if you do 3 cycles of MD and never get in? Then what? You just spent 3 years of your life attempting to get into an allopathic while you could have been almost done with medical school.

This is just my opinion though, and everyone's life is different.

31 MCAT no MD II. Q_Q

 

[Gandyy]

31 MCAT no MD II. Q_Q

Yea, thats the thing I was too lazy to talk about. Even with a 31 MCAT, you are not guaranteed MD admission. Its insane. All the more reason to just go DO.

 

[Theseus]

Yea, thats the thing I was too lazy to talk about. Even with a 31 MCAT, you are not guaranteed MD admission. Its insane. All the more reason to just go DO.

Shh, they'll steal our residency spots.

 

[Gandyy]

Shh, they'll steal our residency spots.

lol

 

[IsWhat]

You're right. It was 7 last year. Per the latest JAMA issue, it says 7 (seven) of the 1315 neurosurgery residents last year were DOs. Sure it'll get better but I don't think that even if it tripled to a whopping 21 DOs it will matter. And that's not matching this year, that's currently serving as residents. So cut that number by seven and it's averaging 1 (one) DO in ACGME NSG programs. Aaaaaaaaand, I'm gonna bet he/she was a truly special snowflake AND knew someone with considerable influence.

I do hope what you say IS the way it will be going, but it isn't happening yet.

The number doesn't mean anything if you aren't looking at the percentages. The number of DOs matching competetive specialties will never reach MD levels simply due to the fact that far fewer DO's graduate each year.

If you look at the percentages though, DO's fair very well compared to their MD counterparts in matching competetive specialties. I don't think the merger will change that.

Not to mention - you are only looking at the ACGME side. My initial point was more DO's are going to start matching into competetive ACGME specialties when the top DO students are forced to enter the ACGME match due to the merger.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Why are people going to DO school if the ONLY things that interest them are ridiculous sub-specialties? It shows a clear lack of appreciation for what osteopathic medicine is really all about. I'm not saying it's wrong to have interests in other fields, but if you can't at least tolerate the idea of being a FP doctor then you might need to reevaluate if you should even be a physician, let alone a DO.

If you guys are only interested in doing specialties at Ivy League med schools, then you should be applying to Ivy League med schools and avoid DO and state MD. If the only place you can get in is a DO school, then isn't the conversation over?

Why are folks concerned about the best they can do holding them back?



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[TallPreMed]

What makes me nervous are the people who ask this question after it has been answered time and time again on this forum! Good lord is google only available in Pennsylvania?
And these are people who want to be doctors and they don't know to use the search button?

 

[NoTownPreMed]

What makes me nervous are the people who ask this question after it has been answered time and time again on this forum! Good lord is google only available in Pennsylvania?
And these are people who want to be doctors and they don't know to use the search button?

What makes this topic more interesting, is that I hear this same discussion in class made by the typical straight out of high school premeds. One made an comment that he has to transfer to one of the UC colleges as soon as possible, as it will decrease his chances getting into a DO school, therefore get into "ANY" residency he desires. Oh the cute things neurotic straight out of high school premeds say.

 

[allantois]

What makes this topic more interesting, is that I hear this same discussion in class made by the typical straight out of high school premeds. One made an comment that he has to transfer to one of the UC colleges as soon as possible, as it will decrease his chances getting into a DO school, therefore get into "ANY" residency he desires. Oh the cute things neurotic straight out of high school premeds say.

To be fair, Californians are at a significant disadvantage. Consider, that a Texas resident with CA stats is a lot more likely to get into an MD school than a CA resident. And while an MD degree alone doesn't guarantee any residency, it does leave the door open to all of them. I don't see anything wrong with trying to give yourself the best chance at specializing.

 

[Prairiepalmeri]

Honestly you probably won't be able to get a residency at all. There really isn't any point in applying.

 

[Mad Jack]

Not an expert on this topic, but here is what I've been generally seeing:

Easy: IM, FM, peds, psych, PM&R

Easy to medium: neurology, OBGYN, EM

Medium: general surgery, anesthesiology, radiology

Hard to virtually impossible: neurosurgery, plastic surgery, ENT, ophtho, derm, urology, rad onc, ortho

Absolutely no idea: pathology

Have a pulse: Path

You can match path pretty much anywhere in the country as a DO.

 

[Mad Jack]

can you provide evidence for this? not saying you are wrong, but would help.

Look up the list of programs that have applied for initial ACGME accreditation, then look at which ones intend to apply for osteopathic recognition on AOA Opportunities. Not many of them are.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Have a pulse: Path

You can match path pretty much anywhere in the country as a DO.

Hey Mad Jack good to see you are still with the living. You nearly caused a black hole to open up here with the whole banned scare.

 

[Gandyy]

Have a pulse: Path

You can match path pretty much anywhere in the country as a DO.

Pathology sounds dreadful, but then I dont know much about it. Do you work with real living patients all that much or are you working with corpses? Because if its the latter, I can see why its not competitive.

 

[Mad Jack]

Hey Mad Jack good to see you are still with the living. You nearly caused a black hole to open up here with the whole banned scare.

Totally wasn't my intention. I didn't think anyone would even notice it at 1:45 in the morning aside from the people playing WW, I'm never doing that again lol. It did get me through to morning though, so mission accomplished I guess.

 

[Mad Jack]

Pathology sounds dreadful, but then I dont know much about it. Do you work with real living patients all that much or are you working with corpses? Because if its the latter, I can see why its not competitive.

Avoiding patients is why a lot of people go into path. You generally work with specimens, slides, and lab results from living people, not so much dead people. Most pathologists don't do all that many autopsies, there's just not a whole lot of time or reason for it unless you're a forensic pathologist.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Totally wasn't my intention. I didn't think anyone would even notice it at 1:45 in the morning aside from the people playing WW, I'm never doing that again lol. It did get me through to morning though, so mission accomplished I guess.

Remember there are different time zone. What is 1:45am to you is 7:00-10:00pm for those living by the pacific. So there was that somewhat of a panic going on in the west coast. I have to admit that is the best joke (or should I say troll) I have seen on this forum (got me fool at first). Glad you are back!

 

[OrdinaryDO]

Here is what you need to know.

If you:
1.) Don't mind not going to any Ivy School Reaidency
2.) don't mind working your tail off to get honors rotations and good board scores
3.) Don't mind doing important and in-depth research.

Then please, quit raising your cortisol levels and giving yourself a heart attack with all of the hypothetical questions. As a DO, you CAN match into a top residency field, you CAN get into a highly desired residency slot, and you CAN make just as much of an impact on patient's lives as you old as an MD or a DO, Either one.

SDN and neuroticism are synonymous with one another. If you want to go MD, then work hard and get in. If you want to do exclusively DO (like myself), then work hard and do it! Quit worrying about this topic, you can get into whatever you desire, just be ready to work your butt off.


Thank you, goodbye.

 

[Mjolner]

Here is what you need to know.

If you:
1.) Don't mind not going to any Ivy School Reaidency
2.) don't mind working your tail off to get honors rotations and good board scores
3.) Don't mind doing important and in-depth research.

Then please, quit raising your cortisol levels and giving yourself a heart attack with all of the hypothetical questions. As a DO, you CAN match into a top residency field, you CAN get into a highly desired residency slot, and you CAN make just as much of an impact on patient's lives as you old as an MD or a DO, Either one.

SDN and neuroticism are synonymous with one another. If you want to go MD, then work hard and get in. If you want to do exclusively DO (like myself), then work hard and do it! Quit worrying about this topic, you can get into whatever you desire, just be ready to work your butt off.


Thank you, goodbye.

Maybe you should start medschool before you start telling us all how the match will work, eh?

 

[Path hall]

Pathology sounds dreadful, but then I dont know much about it. Do you work with real living patients all that much or are you working with corpses? Because if its the latter, I can see why its not competitive.

Pathology is a huge field and there are many subspecialty areas within pathology, such as surgical pathology, hematopathology, dermpath, forensic pathology, microbiology, coagulation, blood banking, molecular pathology, and others. Most pathologists make their living by looking at slides under a light microscope. Is a mass benign or malignant? Without pathology you'd never know. Additionally, many malignancies receive specific chemotherapy regimens based on their pathologic/molecular classification.

The field is somewhat similar to radiology. Both utilize visual diagnostic methods. Radiologists look at x-rays, ct scan, etc. Pathologists look at glass slides, flow cytometry and molecular studies.

You may not work with patients on a regular basis (unless you do blood banking), but you still interact with a lot of people such as surgeons, oncologists, and lab techs.

You have to do at least 50 autopsies as a resident, but after residency you may never do one again.

Forensic pathology, which is a fellowship of pathology, is the field that you commonly see on tv. They are ones that do autopsies for murders, suicide, and accidents.

 

[Path hall]

Pathology and radiology are both easy. Anesthesia is moving in that direction too.

I have a former classmate in residency at UCSF for pathology. Not the UCSF in Fresno that's full of DO's and IMG's, but the UCSF in San Fransisco that's one of the top 5 or so schools in the nation.

Matching pathology is like matching internal medicine. It's easy to match. It's hard to match somewhere good.

 

[NoTownPreMed]

To be fair, Californians are at a significant disadvantage. Consider, that a Texas resident with CA stats is a lot more likely to get into an MD school than a CA resident. And while an MD degree alone doesn't guarantee any residency, it does leave the door open to all of them. I don't see anything wrong with trying to give yourself the best chance at specializing.

I agree with you on that. Many Californian residents who do their residency at our affiliated hospital, went to UC's for their undergrad but eventually end up going to the Caribbeans or DO schools. Not taking anything from these guys cus these are bright doctors I work with everyday, but comparing their stats with Texas residents just as you stated, it's not far off. But I do think it can benefit a Californian for residency should they decide to go back to the west coast for training.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

Maybe you should start medschool before you start telling us all how the match will work, eh?

Yes, since being in medical school will certainly make me know everything the very second I step into my first class! You know, not just on this forum, but other forum posts as well you have really taking the liking to thinking I am just some pre-medical student who is spreading a bunch of nonsense with no basis for my knowledge. Maybe you should use some common courtesy and give me the benefit of the doubt, or at least some initiative and ask how I know what I know. For all you know I could have already graduated medical school, since the "Medical Student (Accepted)" is something I have to MANUALLY change...

Back on topic. I have a VERY solid foundation for everything I say on these forums, unless I state that it is otherwise just an opinion of my own. I have worked in the healthcare field, specifically around osteopathic physicians, in the biggest osteopathic training hospital in the world. Yes, Oklahoma-State Medical Center. As you could imagine I get a lot of face-time with Program Directors, Residents, Students, and professors. I have been working in the medical field, full time, for 6 years now. I have had plenty of time to expand on my knowledge and ask questions - I am a very curious person, and all. So, please, take it easy and act like a professional and not some little kid who got lucky and got into medical school on daddies dime. Let's have a real conversation and why don't you come back and reply with something more constructive as opposed to inconsiderate and a waste of time.

P.S. - Sorry to anyone else that has to read this garbage, he has done this in the past, on other sub-forums.

 

[Mjolner]

Yes, since being in medical school will certainly make me know everything the very second I step into my first class! You know, not just on this forum, but other forum posts as well you have really taking the liking to thinking I am just some pre-medical student who is spreading a bunch of nonsense with no basis for my knowledge. Maybe you should use some common courtesy and give me the benefit of the doubt, or at least some initiative and ask how I know what I know. For all you know I could have already graduated medical school, since the "Medical Student (Accepted)" is something I have to MANUALLY change...

Back on topic. I have a VERY solid foundation for everything I say on these forums, unless I state that it is otherwise just an opinion of my own. I have worked in the healthcare field, specifically around osteopathic physicians, in the biggest osteopathic training hospital in the world. Yes, Oklahoma-State Medical Center. As you could imagine I get a lot of face-time with Program Directors, Residents, Students, and professors. I have been working in the medical field, full time, for 6 years now. I have had plenty of time to expand on my knowledge and ask questions - I am a very curious person, and all. So, please, take it easy and act like a professional and not some little kid who got lucky and got into medical school on daddies dime. Let's have a real conversation and why don't you come back and reply with something more constructive as opposed to inconsiderate and a waste of time.

P.S. - Sorry to anyone else that has to read this garbage, he has done this in the past, on other sub-forums.

Well. Since you're already trying to hide the fact that you're still a premed (I can search your post history genius and not too many doctors are trying to secure interview invites to attend medschool) and are trying to pretend or imply that you're a doctor already, your credibility has hit the floor and I frankly don't trust a thing you say anymore.

I have been pointing out flaws in your posts because you don't know anything for yourself. You just parrot what you've heard from others and try to pass yourself off as an expert and are often wrong.

 

[Gandyy]

Yes, since being in medical school will certainly make me know everything the very second I step into my first class! You know, not just on this forum, but other forum posts as well you have really taking the liking to thinking I am just some pre-medical student who is spreading a bunch of nonsense with no basis for my knowledge. Maybe you should use some common courtesy and give me the benefit of the doubt, or at least some initiative and ask how I know what I know. For all you know I could have already graduated medical school, since the "Medical Student (Accepted)" is something I have to MANUALLY change...

Back on topic. I have a VERY solid foundation for everything I say on these forums, unless I state that it is otherwise just an opinion of my own. I have worked in the healthcare field, specifically around osteopathic physicians, in the biggest osteopathic training hospital in the world. Yes, Oklahoma-State Medical Center. As you could imagine I get a lot of face-time with Program Directors, Residents, Students, and professors. I have been working in the medical field, full time, for 6 years now. I have had plenty of time to expand on my knowledge and ask questions - I am a very curious person, and all. So, please, take it easy and act like a professional and not some little kid who got lucky and got into medical school on daddies dime. Let's have a real conversation and why don't you come back and reply with something more constructive as opposed to inconsiderate and a waste of time.

P.S. - Sorry to anyone else that has to read this garbage, he has done this in the past, on other sub-forums.

Who are you talking to? I guess you are quoting someone that I have ignored lol

 

[SLC]

Matching pathology is like matching internal medicine. It's easy to match. It's hard to match somewhere good.

That's the same for any field (except the ones where it is truly hard to match at all).

But FM, Peds, Rads, Gas, IM, PM&R, Path. All the same in that they best programs are competitive while the run of the mill ones are easy.

 

[mathnerd88]

Who are you talking to? I guess you are quoting someone that I have ignored lol

He's talking to @Mjolner

 

[OrdinaryDO]

Well. Since you're already trying to hide the fact that you're still a premed (I can search your post history genius and not too many doctors are trying to secure interview invites to attend medschool) and are trying to pretend or imply that you're a doctor already, your credibility has hit the floor and I frankly don't trust a thing you say anymore.

I have been pointing out flaws in your posts because you don't know anything for yourself. You just parrot what you've heard from others and try to pass yourself off as an expert and are often wrong.

Wow, do I laugh or feel concerned for you? I never tried to disguise myself as anything other than a matriculating medical student who has been accepted and yes, I am still attending interviews. If you would like to point out where I tried to disguise myself, then please, be my guess.

My information has legitimate basis. I have been researching the ins and outs of the pre-medical and residency options for many, many years. I am passing on what I have learned so that other can benefit from the information I have learned. You say I am just a "Parrot passing on what I have heard"...are you that naive? Is that not how people learn? You hear it from a reputable source and you pass it on to others? I try to pass myself on as an expert? In what field, pre-medicology? You have got to be kidding me. I am here trying to help other pre-medical students and you seem to think you are entitled to degrade me because you have put in time as a medical student. You are what is wrong with SDN.

 

[SLC]

Here is what you need to know.

If you:
1.) Don't mind not going to any Ivy School Reaidency...Then please, quit raising your cortisol levels and giving yourself a heart attack with all of the hypothetical questions. As a DO, you CAN match into a top residency field, you CAN get into a highly desired residency slot, and you CAN make just as much of an impact on patient's lives as you old as an MD or a DO, Either one.

I'm a DO, I'm also at an Ivy League school doing residency. Even that is not impossible.

 

[Gandyy]

He's talking to @Mjolner

Oh I ignored him. Was a good decision.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

I'm a DO, I'm also at an Ivy League school doing residency. Even that is not impossible.

I very much agree, SLC, I know a few osteopathic physicians who went to Duke and Yale for residency. I was just saying it in that context so that someone wouldn't come along and point out the outlier. ha

 

[Mjolner]

Wow, do I laugh or feel concerned for you? I never tried to disguise myself as anything other than a matriculating medical student who has been accepted and yes, I am still attending interviews. If you would like to point out where I tried to disguise myself, then please, be my guess.

I said IMPLY and right here buddy.

I could have already graduated medical school, since the "Medical Student (Accepted)" is something I have to MANUALLY change...

Edited to avoid wall of text syndrome.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

I said IMPLY and right here buddy.

You can't be serious....THIS is what you were talking about? All this was,was me showing you that you can't take things at face value..I was SIMPLY saying that I COULD HAVE already graduated medical school and you would never have known because I have to manually change my student status. *Sigh* my goodness, this is what you are arguing about.

 

[Mjolner]

You can't be serious....THIS is what you were talking about? All this was,was me showing you that you can't take things at face value..I was SIMPLY saying that I COULD HAVE already graduated medical school and you would never have known because I have to manually change my student status. *Sigh* my goodness, this is what you are arguing about.

I'm just fed up with premeds coming in and telling everyone how med school and residency will be. No one knows how the merger will go for certain, but those further along know more than you do and those further along than me know more than I do.

When you clearly didn't understand that with out a majority the DOs on the ACGME can do little and less to protect DOs in future matches it was the last straw. MD have the majority on the ACGME board and will vote what's best for them if it conflicts with what's best for DO.
END OF STORY.

 

[TheaterOfTheme]

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Dude-your pre-dent now. Stop taking up space.

 

[OrdinaryDO]

I'm just fed up with premeds coming in and telling everyone how med school and residency will be. No one knows how the merger will go for certain, but those further along know more than you do and those further along than me know more than I do.

When you clearly didn't understand that with out a majority the DOs on the ACGME can do little and less to protect DOs in future matches it was the last straw. MD have the majority on the ACGME board and will vote what's best for them if it conflicts with what's best for DO.
END OF STORY.

I understand why you have been blocked by several other SDN users now. I can say with certainty that there are pre-meds on these forum boards that probably know more than you do. Just because you are "further along" doesn't mean you all the sudden know more than the person right behind you. You are going to be the doctor that nurses complain about, the doctor who doesn't take advice or consult from a nurse because you think they aren't worth your time. You need to open your eyes and realize that anyone can have valuable information, so take it and be grateful instead of walking all over us like we don't know jack.

For the record, I know how committees work and I know how majority ruling works. What you fail to understand is you are making assumptions without a solid foundation or any citations to back up your findings. How do you know the committee won't be 50/50? How do you know the DO representatives won't have any effect on the committee? Do you think the AOA would really go through with a merger if there were no positives to go with it? I highly doubt a large organization such as the AOA would commit professional suicide. If you reply to me from here on out, please do so out of respect. I will be blocking you if you reply to me with your same arrogance and scolding attitude you have been using. You are in medical school, act like it.

 

[Mjolner]

I understand why you have been blocked by several other SDN users now. I can say with certainty that there are pre-meds on these forum boards that probably know more than you do. Just because you are "further along" doesn't mean you all the sudden know more than the person right behind you. You are going to be the doctor that nurses complain about, the doctor who doesn't take advice or consult from a nurse because you think they aren't worth your time. You need to open your eyes and realize that anyone can have valuable information, so take it and be grateful instead of walking all over us like we don't know jack.

For the record, I know how committees work and I know how majority ruling works. What you fail to understand is you are making assumptions without a solid foundation or any citations to back up your findings. How do you know the committee won't be 50/50? How do you know the DO representatives won't have any effect on the committee? Do you think the AOA would really go through with a merger if there were no positives to go with it? I highly doubt a large organization such as the AOA would commit professional suicide. If you reply to me from here on out, please do so out of respect. I will be blocking you if you reply to me with your same arrogance and scolding attitude you have been using. You are in medical school, act like it.

Ok. Well. If you'd like to reply to me here please do some research.
1)They have already disclosed the number of DOs on the ACGME board and it's a minority.
2)the AOA DIDN'T want to do it and tried to back out but the ACGME said they'd block all AOA trained residents from applying to ACGME fellowships and that would have definitely screwed tons of DOs in IM and would have made AOA training look SIGNIFICANTLY inferior to ACGME training.
3) thus, they had no choice. How is it you didn't know this since you work at this high faluting DO medical center for 6 years and know soooo many important DOs?
4) how do you know I was not a nurse before medschool? Or married to one? Or the child of one? Now YOU'RE the one assuming.
5) at this point, I'm sure SEVERAL people have blocked BOTH of us because this argument has gone on too long.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Lets keep this professional.

Take this time to discover a new book or music you have meaning to check out.

 

[Jamie561]

Coming out of an Osteopathic school can one obtain any specialty they desire considering they have solid step scores and extra curricular related to their specialties of interest. Can one get the competitive residencies as same chance as Allopathic? Like general surgery, ortho, anesthesia, and etc or are they at disadvantage trying to get those residencies from osteopathic school.

if a DO and an MD graduating m4s have the same CV and scores and are applying to the same ACGME programs, the MD applicant will have an easier time getting interviews and ranks.

the whole "it's hard for everyone!" boilerplate is incorrect and underestimates the difficulties DOs have in the ACGME match. of course derm and plastics is hard for everyone. we're talking about differences in just how hard it is (practically impossible for DOs in the ACGME match)

 

[TheaterOfTheme]

Ok. Well. If you'd like to reply to me here please do some research.
1)They have already disclosed the number of DOs on the ACGME board and it's a minority.
2)the AOA DIDN'T want to do it and tried to back out but the ACGME said they'd block all AOA trained residents from applying to ACGME fellowships and that would have definitely screwed tons of DOs in IM and would have made AOA training look SIGNIFICANTLY inferior to ACGME training.
3) thus, they had no choice. How is it you didn't know this since you work at this high faluting DO medical center for 6 years and know soooo many important DOs?
4) how do you know I was not a nurse before medschool? Or married to one? Or the child of one? Now YOU'RE the one assuming.
5) at this point, I'm sure SEVERAL people have blocked BOTH of us because this argument has gone on too long.

Naa-- no reason to block. I wanna know all the details of this merger. Seems like you both know a little. Really, AOA tried to back out??? Why did it start in the first place? Why are some DO school admins so favorable about it? (also, that sounds like blackmail...)