residency salary???

[Iamnew2]

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This 100%. There’s no impetus beyond it being the decent thing to do. Which 99% of time means it’s not going to happen.

this idea that the "legal and business friends" make so much is so so flawed. SOME people in law and business do well, not the vast majority. per percentage, physicians who are wise with negotiating sans some specialties, do far better than the vast majority of law/business people.

 

[NITRAS]

Try restating this without the BS "provider" word (which was introduced to serve NP's and not physicians, let alone residents).

And I would beg to differ that resident physicians have no credentials. Even besides the MD DEGREE, as a 2nd year IM resident, not only was I licensed in my state, but was doing procedures (intubation, central lines) and running code blues/code rapid responses.

You wouldn’t be allowed to intubate, put in central lines without the supervision of a credentialed physican. You are credentialed, but only under the supervision of another.

If you were not in residency nor BC/BE, the vast majority of the hospitals wouldn’t allow you to do any of that.

PS, it s 2022. NP’s and PA’s are here to stay. It is best to figure how we are going to go forward with them, how MD’s/Do’s need to figure how to differentiate and market our level of expertise and training in the marketplace.

 

[Ganon]

I’ve spent the last month and a half trying deal with poorly supervised interns trying to kill people and waste money/meds/time/radiation. Definitely not a net positive.

And you're a hospitalist, so presumably these are IM/prelim interns.

So... You're the one supervising them?

>_>

Lot's of very bad takes from this thread. Very disheartening.

 

[smq123]

And you're a hospitalist, so presumably these are IM/prelim interns.

So... You're the one supervising them?

Not necessarily. In some hospitals, there are the hospitalists, who may see patients by themselves or with an NP/PA, and then there is the teaching service, which are taught by a separate pool of faculty members. Those attendings may or may not always be around, so a lot will be left up to the senior residents, who vary in quality themselves. There are lots of different set ups.

I haven't read through the entire thread, so I can't attest to every "bad take" that you're referring to, but....there are definitely a contingent of med students and residents who are very vocal, and overstate their own abilities and value to the healthcare system in general. It's ok to say that residents are sometimes not very good, sometimes painfully inefficient and incapable, and sometimes cost more to the hospital than they bring in. That's why we do residency - to learn how to be better, to be more efficient and more capable, and to eventually become team leaders. I freely admit that, especially as an intern, there were definitely times when I slowed things down, and I'm grateful for my teachers who patiently corrected me and (mostly silently) rolled their eyes when I wasn't looking.

 

[NITRAS]

And you're a hospitalist, so presumably these are IM/prelim interns.

So... You're the one supervising them?

>_>

Lot's of very bad takes from this thread. Very disheartening.

I get admissions from EM residents who are “supervised” to one degree or another by an EM attending.

I do work with some IM residents, but not much. I can’t tell if I’m just crotchety or if it is COVID, but I feel that the IM residents aren’t as good this batch as previous ones either.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I get admissions from EM residents who are “supervised” to one degree or another by an EM attending.

I do work with some IM residents, but not much. I can’t tell if I’m just crotchety or if it is COVID, but I feel that the IM residents aren’t as good this batch as previous ones either.

Probably some of both. There's no way medical education during COVID isn't going to have some decent changes - some good, some bad.