Response: Why are Viets, Laos, Burmese, Indonesians and other SE Asians URM

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Okay sorry, I know this thread was closed, but I had to respond to the post because I felt it was important.

Believe it or not, in 2002, the APIAHF (Asian and Pacific Islander American Health Forum) appealed to the AAMC to change their definition of a "URM" to encompass southeast asians. I excerpted some of the reasons below, and I feel there is legitimate reason for some of these nationalities to be considered in the URM category. I hope some of you take the time to read this, the full version is here:
http://www.apiahf.org/policy/research/20020515_comments_to_AAMC.htm

I'm impressed a school (Jefferson) actually acknowledges these factors and tries to take action! Bravo to them 🙂


Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders are an extremely heterogeneous group, encompassing more than a hundred different languages and dialects, diverse cultural backgrounds, and unique immigration experiences. Many of these groups suffer from high rates of poverty and low rates of education, yet are not now considered Underrepresented Minorities. As an example, for many of the groups, college graduation rates are far below the national average. Overall in the U.S., 20.3% of the population in 1990 held a bachelor's degree or higher. However, only 17.4% of Vietnamese, 5.7% of Cambodians, 5.4% of Laotians, 4.9% of Hmong, 11.8% of Hawaiians, 10.0% of Guamanians, 8.0% of Samoans, 7.5% of Melanesians, and 5.8% of Tongans held a bachelor's degree or higher.


Poverty rates for the various groups also differ greatly. While nationally, 10.0% of all families lived below the poverty level in 1990, rates of poverty were significantly higher for most Asian American and Pacific Islander groups.
Families Below Poverty Level
in the United States
United States
Country of Origin Percent Families
Below Poverty Level All persons10.0%
Asian
Hmong 61.8
Cambodian 42.1
Laotian 32.2
Vietnamese 23.8
Indonesian 19.6
Korean 14.7
Pakistani 12.2
Thai 10.8
Pacific Islander
Samoan24.5
Tongan 20.6
Polynesian 15.3
Hawaiian 12.7
Guamanian 12.3

Given these low rates of education, high rates of poverty and the wide range of cultural, socioeconomic, and linguistic backgrounds, it becomes clear that the category of "Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders" is extremely heterogeneous. The failure to view AAPIs as separate and distinct communities has resulted in an inaccurate reflection of whether the provider needs of these communities are being met. By viewing AAPIs as a single, homogenous group, the implicit assumption is that a third generation Chinese American physician will be able to provide culturally and linguistically appropriate care to a first generation Cambodian refugee. After all, they are both classified as "Asian American and Pacific Islander".
Lack of Southeast Asian and Pacific Islander Providers

Currently, many AAPI communities are experiencing a drastic shortage of providers who are able to understand and treat their respective community's health needs. According to an analysis of the most recent Census data available on the U.S. labor force (1990), Southeast Asian (Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian), Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander groups demonstrated lower physician representation compared to the non-Hispanic White ratio.
In 1995, the Asian & Pacific Islander American Health Forum produced a report entitled, "A Feasibility Study on the Establishment of an Asian & Pacific Islander Mentorship Recruitment Network Program". This report contains, to the best of our knowledge, the most comprehensive analysis of underrepresentation among AAPI groups in the medical profession to date. The study identified the 1990 Census data as the most comprehensive source for obtaining AAPI physician data. Note: Occupational data for the 2000 Census has not been released at this time. Twelve Asian and Pacific Islander ethnic groups and a residual "Other Asian & Pacific Islander" are detailed in the analysis. The twelve groups were: Chinese, Filipino, Japanese, Asian Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, Thai, Hawaiian, Samoan, and Guamanian.
In calculating physician to population representation, of the twelve groups, the following groups were identified as underrepresented: Vietnamese, Hawaiian, Guamanian, Samoan, Cambodian, and Laotian.
  • Non-Hispanic White 251 physicians per 100,000 persons
  • Vietnamese 231 physicians per 100,000 persons
  • Hawaiian 63 physicians per 100,000 persons
  • Guamanian 37 physicians per 100,000 persons
  • Samoan 34 physicians per 100,000 persons
  • Cambodian 23 physicians per 100,000 persons
  • Laotian 16 physicians per 100,000 persons
Additional analyses to assess unique factors that impact health access and services were performed. For instance, language parity between AAPI providers and limited English proficient AAPI populations was considered. The findings were consistent with the physician to population ratios and showed underrepresentation in: Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Hawaiian, Samoan, and Guamanian communities.
It is important to note that, while information for these six groups clearly shows a high level of underrepresentation, data for the many other AAPI groups was not available for the study. It is expected that many more AAPI groups are likely to have equally high or higher rates of underrepresentation.

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Thank you for posting this! 👍
 
This is a good thread starter but there is something you still have to consider, % of a certain ethnic group below the poverty line does not equal how represented that certain ethnic group is in medicine. For example, I know Pakistanis are very well represented in the medical field even though, according to these stats, they have a higher than national average below poverty rate.
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Well, i'm hispanic so I can't really argue much about this but...

Couldn't Caucasians argue that they are URM if they come from some small European Country that no one has ever heard about? It might have rich cultural background and what not, and be severely impoverished, but are they Underrepresented in Medicine? Not to AAMC, and they most likely never will be.
 
So according to this Pakistani students should be URM right?
 
And with your statistics you need to consider the % of the population that is also of those ethnicities. The whole goal is to represent the population with physicians in medicine.
 
Non-Hispanic White 251 physicians per 100,000 persons
Vietnamese 231 physicians per 100,000 persons
Hawaiian 63 physicians per 100,000 persons
Guamanian 37 physicians per 100,000 persons
Samoan 34 physicians per 100,000 persons
Cambodian 23 physicians per 100,000 persons
Laotian 16 physicians per 100,000 persons


^ if you read to the bottom of the post, that's how well represented the physicians are compared to their overall population. Vietnamese don't seem to lag that far behind "non hispanic whites" in terms of representation in the medical field, but Laotion and Cambodian? Those are dismal numbers!

I don't think the OP is arguing that just because you are "underpriveleged" or a minority you deserve to be URM; what the data is saying is that these SE Asian populations make up a pretty large percentage of the US population (if you read the page linked) and are very poorly represented in medicine, and higher education in general.

it's something to think about 🙂
 
I'm not Cambodian but Long Beach has the highest concentration of Cambodians in the nation and there are numerous efforts from the colleges in this area to increase their representation in professional fields. This is largely because most Cambodian immigrants came over as refugees during the Pol Pot reign and had difficulty assimilating due to a lack of an established cultural support group. I definitely applaud Jefferson for considering this.
 
I'm not Cambodian but Long Beach has the highest concentration of Cambodians in the nation and there are numerous efforts from the colleges in this area to increase their representation in professional fields. This is largely because most Cambodian immigrants came over as refugees during the Pol Pot reign and had difficulty assimilating due to a lack of an established cultural support group. I definitely applaud Jefferson for considering this.

I'm sure the number of Latvian/Estonian doctors in the US is even lower than some of those numbers...

URM status please! :laugh:

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I'm sure the number of Latvian/Estonian doctors in the US is even lower than some of those numbers...

URM status please! :laugh:

Я хочу интервью! теперь!

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Exactly, if you break everyone down to their nationalities you'll find tons of hidden URM groups. Eventually everyone but indians, chinese, jews, and WASPs will be able to claim URM status. It is kind of ridiculous.

Note: I do believe that there are actually URM groups that we should encourage enrollment of, I just think its preposterous to try and juggle every minute ethnicity/nationality in some insane quest to make physicians represent every last aspect of the national demographic. Underserved is not the same thing as your physician % not being high enough, it means actually underserved as in your community gets ****ty access to healthcare.

Anecdotally speaking, in terms of vietnamese at least there is a huge difference between 1st generation and 2nd generation, so while the overall #s for population may seem to indicate low college, high poverty and slightly lower physician representation you have to take into account the fact that-- considering 2nd generation american vietnamese only-- education is at a very high standard and I'm guessing most of those physicians are from this group.

Give it a few more generations and the immigrant effects will be erased from the numbers and you will be able to see the high representation.
 
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lol, хорошая фраза и хорошая пленка
 
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