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Looking to hear reviews about Texas Schools.
Looking to hear reviews about Texas Schools.
In my relatively uninformed opinion, I think schools can be roughly divided into two tiers (based on my own experiences and what I've heard from other people that have interviewed at schools that I didn't). I think in the "top" tier you have UTSW, UT Houston, and A&M, and all of the other schools are in the second tier. Again, that's a very rough separation that may or may not actually be true.
I'd recommend checking out the school-specific threads for more information. Or, you know, doing your own research.
Its all personal opinion, but the above makes me laugh. One of the above 3 schools I consider in the bottom 2 in Texas.![]()
Yea, I've heard A&M has some problems with the clinical years. But this is 3rd hand information, so I definitely couldn't verify it.No doubt - and I'm going solely based on my experiences at the schools I interviewed at and what I've heard from other people who interviewed at the battery of Texas schools. Really that could be based more on their marketing departments than the schools themselves, but who knows.
Just curious, which schools do you think "stand out?"
Based on clinical years and match stats, I personally would rank them this way (and I interviewed at most of them):
Top tier: UTSW
Middle tier: UTH, UTHSC San Antonio, UTMB
Bottom tier: A&M, Texas Tech (both Lubbock and El Paso)
You didn't specifically ask for public schools so perhaps we just forgot to mention but I believe Baylor would be in the top tier with Southwestern in most people's opinion. Some people might even have it first.
My version. I have friends at all, interviewed at all, and have been a piece of 3 of them.
Top tier: UTSW - the elite school in TX in my opinion
Middle Tier: UTH, UTHSC-SA, UTMB, Texas Tech - Lubbock
Bottom tier: A&M, Texas Tech - el paso, TCOM
I know TCOM isn't allopathic, but it is a TMDSAS school so I added it.
Of the middle tier schools, UTMB has an edge over the others. UTMB pushes toward greatness, but it always falls right back. UTMB board scores sometimes even top UTSW's depending on the year. Hurricane Ike obviously didn't help things, but they are a solid #2. They are actively rebuilding well and resources are nice (brand new facilities popping up). Some commuting required though as UTMB has built up satellite clinic up and down I-45 from Galveston to Clear Lake.
UT-San Antonio has the pieces to become much better, but the administration is too conservative and hates change. They still train great physicians though. Pre-clinical actually sets you up to fail though. This needs to change. The top graduates that I've known do not attend lecture and are smarter because of it. Great clinical experiences. If you are a self-learner than this is a good place to be.
UT-Houston has and will always be a middle tier program. Very stable and in the houston med center. Great clinical experiences, but again administration fights with student opinions often. Some excellent faculty. Some excellent hospitals to train at. Pre-clinical experiences are sub-par.
Texas Tech lubbock I would have considered lower tier until about 5 years ago when they changed the curriculum, changed administration, changed clinical experiences, etc. They have adapted the most and it shows. Their board scores are the most improved over the past 3 years. A higher percentage pass the boards here the first time vs UTSW & UTMB although the average score is lower than UTSW & UTMB.
Texas A&M does have Scott & White, but the population is not as diverse as elsewhere. The range of pathology is not as great. Highly pushes primary care. Over the past 15 years or so, A&M and TCOM provide the greatest percentage of primary care docs. Lack of great resources. They are trying to better themselves so no complaints there. Just needs a lot of work.
TT - el paso gets points off for being too new. They haven't graduated a class yet. Many kinks being worked out. Current students are guinea pigs. With that said, el paso provides the best pathology in TX for clinical years. Knowledge of Spanish is pretty important however. Pre-clinical years need lots of work. Clinical years will rival the best in TX, and it isn't much of a competition. Probably the up & coming school of the future, but you really need spanish to maximize your education.
No use describing UTSW - they win. I can admit this and I chose to attend another TX med school for personal reasons. I don't regret it. I wouldn't be better off than I am now (matched top choice in my top field), but I know the education is stronger here. You always wonder "what if" right?
Top tier: UTSW - the elite school in TX in my opinion
Middle Tier: UTH, UTHSC-SA, UTMB, Texas Tech - Lubbock
Bottom tier: A&M, Texas Tech - el paso, TCOM
I for one did not like UTSW at all, I left immediately after my interviews and withdrew my application later that weekend.
Do tell...still lives up to the old malignant rep? Or just hate Dallas?
Some excellent and helpful posts on this thread, especially from TexasPhysician.
^^ You mentioned that UT-San Antonio's preclinical years "set you up to fail." Can you expand on that if possible?
As someone who interviewed at UTSW and has significant ties to the institution, I can understand where the malignant type impression can come from. Older students are definitely more high strung and a little "weird" - whether that's a product of the clinical years or because they used the old curriculum with curved grading, who knows. The MS1s and MS2s that I met this year were great.
I think people that only know UTSW from 2-3 years or longer ago probably have an outdated impression.
Just kind of curious, why has everybody rated TCOM as the worst of the best?(Texas 😀)
They have fairly strong matches, are established, in a nice city, new facilities, P/F, and are usually rated the top DO school(battles with PCOM), good boards, etc.
It's a DO school, duh. HURR DURR.
Having not gone through the residency application process yet, I don't really think I can comment on a lot of the points you raise. However, FWIW I think most of the points you raised are more relevant to those applying to residency than medical school. I've talked extensively about Baylor in other threads and I think that there are many reasons why it is an excellent school,but to break it down to one point I will say that the one aspect about Baylor that stands out to me above everything else is the abbreviated pre-clinical curriculum. Having an extra six months of rotations really gives you time to figure out what field you want to go into if you're undecided, and I strongly believe that having a year of rotations--and shelf exams--under our belt is a major factor into why we consistently have some of the top board scores in the country.Since Baylor is private and through a different application service, I didn't add it.
Baylor traditionally has been the strongest of all, but recent years have hit a downward slide. The Baylor program has been financially ******ed, and no one wants to partner/buy it. From what I've heard, Methodist Hospital, Baylor University (undergrad), and Rice want nothing to do with it. Baylor med school used to hoard the best hospitals in the past, but now UT-Houston has plenty of quality access. Baylor also previously had better residency programs, but management/finances have eliminated that in many fields.
While US News will not reflect much if any changes because they are decades behind, Baylor med school is on the decline. The med school itself still attracts quality students because of its history, but I question how long this continues. The quality of faculty have declined as well as the resources compared to years past.
The residency programs at Baylor have problems. In my field, I did not even rank Baylor as a residency option - I would have preferred to scramble into a spot. A couple good friends of mine ranked Baylor last in applying to competitive fields and matched there - would have preferred elsewhere in the state or OOS.
Its now a tough program to rank because the quality of students does not match the quality of the program as a whole. If you are ranking only the intelligence of the students, it is a top tier school. If you rank it based on resources, it is a middle tier school.
Slowly, the top students are moving toward UTSW because UTSW has the top residency programs in the state and some of the best resources.
Without speaking for him, I that's probably why a lot of people rank it as the bottom school without giving it much though, not really that it's actually worse. They're all great schools.Uh oh......
Just kind of curious, why has everybody rated TCOM as the worst of the best?(Texas 😀)
They have fairly strong matches, are established, in a nice city, new facilities, P/F, and are usually rated the top DO school(battles with PCOM), good boards, etc.
I've talked extensively about Baylor in other threads and I think that there are many reasons why it is an excellent school,but to break it down to one point I will say that the one aspect about Baylor that stands out to me above everything else is the abbreviated pre-clinical curriculum. Having an extra six months of rotations really gives you time to figure out what field you want to go into if you're undecided, and I strongly believe that having a year of rotations--and shelf exams--under our belt is a major factor into why we consistently have some of the top board scores in the country.
Without speaking for him, I that's probably why a lot of people rank it as the bottom school without giving it much though, not really that it's actually worse. They're all great schools.
TCOM is probably the best DO school, but DO's still have a lot of bias against them amongst residency programs. Certain academic programs refuse to even interview them. Not many, but some. Many more residency programs still give preference to US MD applicants. The bias is slowly going away but it is still very much present. There are a couple DO's in my program and they are all very bright physicians.
TCOM does have very nice pre-clinical facilities and they even provide students with laptops that have books/lectures already uploaded. They are pretty technologically advanced in pre-clinical teaching. It does provide a relatively weak clinical experience compared to the MD programs in the state though. I know they have been improving this every year, so explore this for yourself if you are interested.
Due to OMM teaching in addition to the regular curriculum, TCOM has the shortest summer breaks which cuts into research, travel, board study, and internship opportunities.
Uh oh......
Just to be clear, that was sarcasm. I know a couple of people at TCOM and they love it. There is still that stigma around DO, though, and I don't think most applicants consider it in the same category as MD institutions (for whatever reason). That's probably why it wasn't included in most people's comments.
UTSW - This school really takes care of their students.
You can learn in a few hours what a four year experience is like? You must be one insightful/perceptive dude...I want to stress that you really have no idea what a medical school is like until you've at least interviewed there..
The irony is lost on him.You can learn in a few hours what a four year experience is like? You must be one insightful/perceptive dude.
What's the world coming to?
You can learn in a few hours what a four year experience is like? You must be one insightful/perceptive dude.
The reason I said this is because they have individualized study cubicles for students, weekly one-on-one mentoring with the professor of their choice, "houses" each student is placed in (kind of like in Harry Potter), an amazing rec center exclusively for med students, etc.
Isn't that special 😛
I interviewed there for med school, and residency. They put on a compelling interview day, that's for sure. For residency, I'd even say exceptional. Whether or not that speaks to actual reforms in conditions on the ground, I couldn't say.
There are plans to start an MD school (UNTMD) by the DO school at TCOM. They are expected to recruit their first MD class in 2014. But theres a lot of politics that are getting worked out at the state legislature that may prevent this from occurring.
I read something about University of Houston creating a med school as well as UNT and a possible school in Austin by the UT system. Any truth to that?
I just read that the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce decided not to enable legislation for it this session. UNTHSC will have to wait until the next session. Their reason: not enough support for a new med school when every institution has been asked to scale back due to budgetary constraints...although Dr. Ransom already raised enough money for the first 5 years. I'm starting to remember why I hate politics.
Bah oh well. I've been hearing about the Austin one for yrs now but I don't know where it stands. I've never heard about the UH one, though!
The UH one is still being mused about. You know how it is in Texas. All the systems want some of that Post-Graduate money lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Schools_in_the_United_States
Mentions UH as being "Under Discussion."
UT-Houston has and will always be a middle tier program. Very stable and in the houston med center. Great clinical experiences, but again administration fights with student opinions often. Some excellent faculty. Some excellent hospitals to train at. Pre-clinical experiences are sub-par.
Haha well I have a feeling it will be "under discussion" for a very long time. Like NickNaylor said, it doesn't really make sense to open another school in Houston. I found this about it:
http://indotav.blogspot.com/2007/01/university-of-houston-wants-medical.html
If Austin had a med school, I would have ranked it #1 on my list in a heartbeat. I heard a lot of back & forth about it while I was at UT. One day I'd hear the plan is still moving forward; the next day the plan is nixed. One of the reasons I heard that UT probably wont open one in Austin is because there was talk that A&M wanted to open a med school in Round Rock. I'm not sure if this A&M Round Rock med school is what people meant when they were talking about a new one in Austin...I just assumed it was going to be UT-affiliated
Haha well I have a feeling it will be "under discussion" for a very long time. Like NickNaylor said, it doesn't really make sense to open another school in Houston. I found this about it:
http://indotav.blogspot.com/2007/01/university-of-houston-wants-medical.html
If Austin had a med school, I would have ranked it #1 on my list in a heartbeat. I heard a lot of back & forth about it while I was at UT. One day I'd hear the plan is still moving forward; the next day the plan is nixed. One of the reasons I heard that UT probably wont open one in Austin is because there was talk that A&M wanted to open a med school in Round Rock. I'm not sure if this A&M Round Rock med school is what people meant when they were talking about a new one in Austin...I just assumed it was going to be UT-affiliated
A&M does have facilities in Round Rock, but as of right now only MS3 and MS4's will be there. I was just notified a few weeks ago that I would be spending my clinical years in Round Rock! Awesome city!
UT San Antonio - also didn't interview here so can't say much but the Health Science center in San Antonio sounded pretty awesome. They seem to lean toward accepting primarily non-caucasians though, probably because san antonio is a heavily latino-influenced city.
I go to UTHSCSA and this just isn't true.