Revise and resubmit vs. rejection

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DrGero

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I just got one of each from two different journals on two different articles I submitted with a colleague of mine.

The R&R is on the article I'm first authoring, so at least there's that. Unfortunately, it requires some "strong editing" and essentially some redoing of the lit review, among other things. The other one is an article on some research done by a colleague of mine that I heavily edited for her - she took the lead on editing my paper.

Unfortunately, I don't think my colleague is a very careful editor. I may just have to take charge of the final stage of this.

As an aside, is it normal for people regularly submitting to journals to get the revise & resubmit response? Or do lots of articles get accepted outright if you're really well-practiced at the process? I'm just not active enough in research (I'm in a 100% clinical position w/ the VA) to know.

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As an aside, is it normal for people regularly submitting to journals to get the revise & resubmit response? Or do lots of articles get accepted outright if you're really well-practiced at the process? I'm just not active enough in research (I'm in a 100% clinical position w/ the VA) to know.

The modal response from most journal is rejection. Next is Revise and Resubmit, which means "we think we want it, but change some stuff first" and does NOT indicate that they had a problem with the paper beyond the stuff listed in the reviews. Papers are almost never accepted without revision (I once had a very short paper with only a few simple stats that required only text revisions; this was still called "revise & resubmit").
 
Agreed. I almost always get revise and resubmit, and after revision (sometimes 2-3 rounds), they have always accepted the paper.
 
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I also get R&R before each acceptance. The closest I've gotten to a direct in was a request to shorten an already brief manuscript so it could fit as a brief communication versus a full-length. No other changes were requested to the content. It is a bit annoying, but I actually feel better that my work is being thoroughly reviewed by at least 2-3 objective minds before it is officially and permanently added to the literature.
 
I would be very surprised if a journal submission was accepted without revision. Sometimes an article can be very well written, though a reviewer or reviewers want more details in their interest area. Stats people like to see certain stuff included, while people big on design may want a bit more information, etc.
 
I've actually gotten rejected after revise and resubmitting..... so we just submitted to another journal...
 
I've actually gotten rejected after revise and resubmitting..... so we just submitted to another journal...

That has happened to me too! But at least it made the submission to the next journal go much smoother...
 
The director of our lab has > 100 publications, almost exclusively in top-tier journals, millions of dollars in grant funding, etc.

If I'm remembering correctly, he's said before that only 1-2 of his publications were accepted on the initial submission. A revise & resubmit is generally cause for celebration, so congratulations!
 
How long does it take for journals to review papers? I'm hoping to get my first paper out by March 1st the latest and I'm wondering what to expect.
 
How long does it take for journals to review papers? I'm hoping to get my first paper out by March 1st the latest and I'm wondering what to expect.

2-3 months for review (could be less but that's unlikley; could get a cruddy reviewer then possibly 4 months or so). 2-8ish months waiting for it in the pipeline till you get proofs and it goes to the printers depending on how long the journal's queue is. To see that, look at a recent issue and at the end of an article it says, initial submission on blah blah, accepted blah blah. The difference between the accept and the actual printing is a ballpark for that journal's queue.
 
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