Revised loan repayment program: less generous to professional students

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http://chronicle.com/article/Revisions-Make-a-Key/229861?cid=megamenu

Revisions Make a Key Loan-Repayment Plan More Inclusive, Yet More Targeted

By Kelly Field

Washington

Negotiators on a federal rule-making panel have agreed on a plan to expand and remake Pay as You Earn, the most generous of the student-loan income-based repayment plans.

The revised program — dubbed REPAYE, short for Revised PAYE — would be at once more inclusive and more targeted than the current plan. It would be open to everyone, regardless of income, but it would focus its benefits on undergraduate students and lower-income borrowers. It would also provide a softer landing for borrowers who fell out of the plan by accident.

Under the new plan, higher-income borrowers would pay a larger share of their income each month. Students who borrowed for graduate school would pay for an additional five years before their loans were forgiven, and married borrowers would, with some exceptions, be required to make payments based on their joint income and debt.

Struggling borrowers, meanwhile, would have more of their debt forgiven. Under the new plan, borrowers whose monthly payments did not cover the interest on their debt would have only half, at most, of the unpaid interest added to their loan balance each month.

Taken together, the changes would respond to concerns about the costs and complexity of the existing PAYE program, which was created in 2010. They would also reflect two worries about the original plan — that it is making graduate students less sensitive to the cost of their programs, and that it allows graduate schools to raise tuition on the taxpayers’ dime.

According to President Obama’s most recent budget, income-driven repayment plans will cost taxpayers $20 billion more than the administration originally expected.

Meanwhile, thousands of struggling borrowers are falling out of income-driven student-loan repayment plans because they’re not filing documents to certify their annual income on time. During a recent one-year period, almost 700,000 borrowers who had enrolled in income-based plans — 57 percent of the total — failed to certify their income by the deadline.

PAYE vs. REPAYE
The existing Pay as You Earn program caps borrowers’ monthly payments at 10 percent of their discretionary income — or the amount they would pay under a 10-year standard repayment plan, if that is lower — and forgives any remaining debt after 20 years. (Married borrowers who file taxes separately from their spouses can make monthly payments based only on their income, even if their spouse earns significantly more.)

The program is available only to borrowers with new loans. But last June President Obama directed the Education Department to make the program available to borrowers with older loans. He also called for changes in the program that would focus its benefits on the neediest borrowers.

Under the plan that the rule-making panel agreed to on Thursday, borrowers would pay 10 percent of their discretionary income each month, even if that amount was greater than what they would pay under a standard 10-year term. Graduate students — who tend to have higher incomes and larger debt burdens — would have to repay their loans for 25 years before receiving loan forgiveness.

Married borrowers would no longer be able to lower their payments by excluding their spouse’s income, although separated borrowers and victims of domestic violence would still be able to pay based on their income alone.

The new program would still require students to certify their income each year. But it would reduce the penalty for some students who missed the deadline.

Under PAYE, borrowers who fail to certify on time see their payments increased to the amount they would pay under a standard repayment plan. Under REPAYE, they would be placed into an "alternative payment plan," with their payments based on the amount it would take to pay off the loan in 10 years or by the end of the 20- or 25-year repayment term, whichever is sooner. That means most borrowers’ payments would not spike as much if they missed the deadline — though some would pay even more.

It’s unclear why so many borrowers are missing the certification deadline, though some consumer advocates say the renewal reminders sent by some loan servicers are too generic, and too easy to overlook. While the new rules would not deal with that concern, the department is preparing a pilot program to test new ways of communicating with borrowers.

Negotiations over REPAYE and a handful of other issues began in February. Thursday’s agreement on all the issues means that the Education Department is bound by the negotiators’ plan. If the panel had failed to reach consensus, the department would have been allowed to release any regulations it wanted, without regard to any compromises reached during rule making.

Draft rules are due out in July, with the final package expected in November.

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Reducing the penalty for missing some stupid recertification paperwork seems like a good thing.

Making everybody pay 10% of their discretionary income to qualify for the forgiveness seems like the right thing to do.
 
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So the only different for medical trainees is that they pay 10% of their income for 25 years instead of 10 years before being forgiven? Its still 10% though for medical students like everyone else?
 
So the only different for medical trainees is that they pay 10% of their income for 25 years instead of 10 years before being forgiven? Its still 10% though for medical students like everyone else?
Unless you get married, in which case you pay 10% of your joint income not just yours.

It's good in that it expands the borrowing spectrum to many people, it's bad because one of the big attractors aside from capped monthly payments was the 10yr loan forgiveness (that's a big draw) where as now it would be 20 or 25 yrs couldn't surmise with precision which it would be.

Probably a net good though because probably 75-90% of the schools I went to touted the 10 yr forgiveness as their main financial aid package. Essentially saying, this is such a great plan guys! Don't worry about how much tuition is here! Cause the more you borrow, the more you get forgiven!! Wahoo!

There were a handful of schools that made it feel like this was almost exclusively their finaid package available and not much of anything else. Not surprisingly these schools also were some of the most expensive. Needless to say I was very disappointed.

So while I think that it's a negative to move away from 10 yr forgiveness I think making it 25 years will do two positive things as the article rightly points out. Encourage students to make increased financially conscious decisions on where they choose to attend, and limit the schools ability to increase tuition as much and as quickly as they have over the past 5 years.
 
I think I would have preferred increased payments but keep the 10 yr term for professional students.
Instead of 10% for 25 years,
25% for 10 years?

Or at least the option to choose?
25 yrs is a looonnnnggg time damn
 
Unless you get married, in which case you pay 10% of your joint income not just yours.

It's good in that it expands the borrowing spectrum to many people, it's bad because one of the big attractors aside from capped monthly payments was the 10yr loan forgiveness (that's a big draw) where as now it would be 20 or 25 yrs couldn't surmise with precision which it would be.

Probably a net good though because probably 75-90% of the schools I went to touted the 10 yr forgiveness as their main financial aid package. Essentially saying, this is such a great plan guys! Don't worry about how much tuition is here! Cause the more you borrow, the more you get forgiven!! Wahoo!

There were a handful of schools that made it feel like this was almost exclusively their finaid package available and not much of anything else. Not surprisingly these schools also were some of the most expensive. Needless to say I was very disappointed.

So while I think that it's a negative to move away from 10 yr forgiveness I think making it 25 years will do two positive things as the article rightly points out. Encourage students to make increased financially conscious decisions on where they choose to attend, and limit the schools ability to increase tuition as much and as quickly as they have over the past 5 years.
It never forgave after 10 years- that's PSLF, which is entirely different than PAYE. PAYE was 20 years, IBR was 30, if I remember correctly.
 
oh, then thats not so bad if it was 20 yrs before and they added another 5
 
It never forgave after 10 years- that's PSLF, which is entirely different than PAYE. PAYE was 20 years, IBR was 30, if I remember correctly.
I stand corrected
 
Wow, there's a lot of misinformation.

There is IBR, which is 15% of your adjusted gross income (minus a poverty deduction) for a maximum of 25 years
There is PAYE, which is 10% of your adjusted gross incomed (minus a poverty deduction) for a maximum of 20 years

To enter into PAYE, you cannot have any government loans before October 1, 2007. So if someone has government loans before this date, they would have to enter IBR instead of PAYE. By changing the regulations, people can enter PAYE instead of IBR, and people in IBR should be able to switch into PAYE (although the exact details have not been finalized).

For graduate students, these regulations would make PAYE 25 years instead of 20. However, there is NO penalty for paying more than 10% of your income towards your loans or repaying them early.

PSLF can be earned through a government repayment program, such as IBR or PAYE, so making PAYE 25 years would not effect your ability to do PSLF (assuming it is not altered in these final negotiations).

What I like about this proposal is that people who are unable to pay all of their interest may have a cap on how much unpaid interest can accrue. In the current PAYE and IBR system, any interest that goes unpaid accumulates (unless it is on a subsidized loan, in which case the government will pay the amount of unpaid interest on these loans for the first three years of being in one of these repayment programs).

Another important point is that people will repay more than 10% of their income even if they go over the 10-year threshold. This is common sense, and I am glad they are addressing it. So, what does this mean? Let's say you owe 300k when you graduate. In a 10 year repayment (at 6.8%), your monthly payment would be $3,452. In IBR or PAYE, your payment would never be more than this. Let's say you are an orthopedic surgeon, and your first job out of residency pays 400k a year. After adjustments, your adjusted federal income is about 375k. Therefore, you would pay ((375000*.1)/12)=$3,125 a month. Let's say two years later you become a partner in a practice, and you make 500k a year, which would be, say 470k adjusted. In this case, ((470000*.1)/12)=$3916 a month. In the current system, since your initial 10-year monthly repayment amount was $3,452, you would pay that amount instead of $3,916. However, with these proposed changes, the monthly cap would disappear, and instead, you would pay $3916 each month.
 
I have not really looked into the details of these programs. Can someone explain to me why someone wouldn't opt to just pay off the debt ASAP by living like a resident for a few more years rather than having the worry of debt and complicated rules of REPAYE hanging over their heads?

Even at a relatively higher income to debt ratio that a medical student could face (~2:1), I don't see why that couldn't be knocked out with a few years of living frugally.
 
I have not really looked into the details of these programs. Can someone explain to me why someone wouldn't opt to just pay off the debt ASAP by living like a resident for a few more years rather than having the worry of debt and complicated rules of REPAYE hanging over their heads?

Even at a relatively higher income to debt ratio that a medical student could face (~2:1), I don't see why that couldn't be knocked out with a few years of living frugally.

The benefit of these programs is that it allows you to pay your loans instead of deferring them while in residency. Out of residency, just about everyone will try to pay off their debt ASAP (unless they are going for PSLF, assuming it will still exist).

Why would you want to pay your loans in residency? If your loans aren't that much, you may be able to start paying the principal down. If you payments don't cover all the interest, you will accrue interest, but this interest will not capitalize until you cross the 10-year monthly maximum I outlined above. In the meantime, that amount will be sitting around and will need to be repayed, but it will not be accruing any interest. So, if you pay off all your loans, and all you have left is your uncapitalized interest from residency, you can pay this down as slowly as you can (i.e. the minimum monthly payment for your payment plan) because it will be sitting at 0%. If you defer, as soon as you enter repayment, all of your unpaid interest will capitalize.
 
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Why would you want to pay your loans in residency? If your loans aren't that much, you may be able to start paying the principal down. If you payments don't cover all the interest, you will accrue interest, but this interest will not capitalize until you cross the 10-year monthly maximum I outlined above. In the meantime, that amount will be sitting around and will need to be repayed, but it will not be accruing any interest. So, if you pay off all your loans, and all you have left is your uncapitalized interest from residency, you can pay this down as slowly as you can (i.e. the minimum monthly payment for your payment plan) because it will be sitting at 0%. If you defer, as soon as you enter repayment, all of your unpaid interest will capitalize

When you say capitalize, do you mean the interest wont compound? So in short the interest on your principal will have 0% interest because the government will pay it for 10 years?

So when one pays the loans, they can choose to have the payment go directly to the principal and bypass the accumulated interest?? I thought you just pay and then the government applies it to the interest and principal together?

I'm an international so I have to use private loans which makes me ineligible for these programs but I'm still interested to understand it!
 
As PatsyStone stated, IBR, PAYE, REPAYE are repayment options, and more specifically income driven repayment options. PSLF is a forgiveness program. The expectation for those pursuing PSLF is you've also selected an income driven repayment to lower your monthly payment resulting in greater PSLF non-taxable forgiveness.

As for REPAYE, the bad:
  • A 25 year repayment period of graduate students
  • Spouse income will be considered regardless of tax filing status
The good:
  • 10% of discretionary income (same as PAYE)
  • No more than 50% of any negative amortization (unpaid interest) can accrue
REPAYE is something to consider if you're in IBR.
 
When you say capitalize, do you mean the interest wont compound? So in short the interest on your principal will have 0% interest because the government will pay it for 10 years?

So when one pays the loans, they can choose to have the payment go directly to the principal and bypass the accumulated interest?? I thought you just pay and then the government applies it to the interest and principal together?

I'm an international so I have to use private loans which makes me ineligible for these programs but I'm still interested to understand it!

Although similar terms, compounded interest usually means interest you've accrued on an investment, so in my explanation, I will use capitalization. Also, I am a little confused by your post, so I will do my best to answer what I think you are asking.

Capitalization means any unpaid interest is added to your principal. This will happen when you grace period ends, when you change repayment programs, and when you surpass your 10-year monthly cap. If your interest from med school capitalizes when you enter repayment, any interest that accrues from that point on will not capitalize unless you: defer and re-enter repayment, change repayment programs, or surpass your 10 year monthly ceiling.

So, if you have a lot of loans, and during residency your payments do not cover all of your interest, you will have a growing balance of unpaid interest which is separate from your principal. When you re-enter repayment--as you allude to--if you overpay your monthly required amount, in the current system, that will go towards unpaid interest first then principal. However, you have the ability to have your lender apply this over-payment towards your principal. However, if you overpay each month, you will have to make this request each month. Elizabeth Warren had proposed to make all over-payments go to the principle instead of the unpaid interest by default, but I don't think this legislation passed.
 
As PatsyStone stated, IBR, PAYE, REPAYE are repayment options, and more specifically income driven repayment options. PSLF is a forgiveness program. The expectation for those pursuing PSLF is you've also selected an income driven repayment to lower your monthly payment resulting in greater PSLF non-taxable forgiveness.

As for REPAYE, the bad:
  • A 25 year repayment period of graduate students
  • Spouse income will be considered regardless of tax filing status
The good:
  • 10% of discretionary income (same as PAYE)
  • No more than 50% of any negative amortization (unpaid interest) can accrue
REPAYE is something to consider if you're in IBR.

Just to add onto this, usually when you move from one repayment plan to another, any outstanding interest will capitalize. However, whether this will occur in people who move from IBR to REPAYE is not clear. So, if you have 6-months left in residency, it may not be financially practical to switch to REPAYE; you'll need to crunch the numbers when we have more info.
 
I don't see why including spouse income is a bad thing. It makes the recipients more likely to be the target demographic.
 
Just to add onto this, usually when you move from one repayment plan to another, any outstanding interest will capitalize. However, whether this will occur in people who move from IBR to REPAYE is not clear. So, if you have 6-months left in residency, it may not be financially practical to switch to REPAYE; you'll need to crunch the numbers when we have more info.
It's my suspicion that accrued interest will not capitalize when migrating from IBR to REPAYE. I think this because of the provision in REPAYE limiting the negative amortization to no more than 50% of the actual amount. Also, I expect the time spent in IBR will be applied to REPAYE. But, we'll know more in July.
 
Will the forgiven amount be written of as taxable income?

Unless they make a drastic change, yeah, at 25 years it probably will be taxed. However, I'd imagine you would have to have a very, very large amount of loans and a very, very low salary in order for this to happen. I did a quick calculation, and let's say you had a really, really, really crazy high amount--like 400k at 6.8%--as long as you had a 270k a year adjusted salary and average about 3% growth, you would still be able to pay everything off within 25 years at 10%. Again, don't forget you can pay more upfront to lessen the total interest paid over the life of the loan.
 
Unless they make a drastic change, yeah, at 25 years it probably will be taxed. However, I'd imagine you would have to have a very, very large amount of loans and a very, very low salary in order for this to happen. I did a quick calculation, and let's say you had a really, really, really crazy high amount--like 400k at 6.8%--as long as you had a 270k a year adjusted salary and average about 3% growth, you would still be able to pay everything off within 25 years at 10%. Again, don't forget you can pay more upfront to lessen the total interest paid over the life of the loan.

My debt will be higher than than walking out of med school, let alone residency. Therefore, my projected annual payment toward my loans will not even cover the accrued interests unless my salary exceeds 400k (which I hope it will at some point in my career to keep up with inflation).
 
If I have a student loan, and the interest is not capitalizing, and I make an ordinary loan payment on it, does my loan payment go towards principal, towards non-capitalizing interest, or some combination of both?
 
If I have a student loan, and the interest is not capitalizing, and I make an ordinary loan payment on it, does my loan payment go towards principal, towards non-capitalizing interest, or some combination of both?
In the income driven repayment options, your payment 1st applies to the non-capitalizing interest. It's only when you've paid the interest in-full that any payment gets applied to the principal.
 
In the income driven repayment options, your payment 1st applies to the non-capitalizing interest. It's only when you've paid the interest in-full that any payment gets applied to the principal.

As said above, I think it is important to clarify that when in repayment (or just paying loans for that matter) all payments will go towards interest before paying down the principal. You can't really "game the system" by paying down your principal and then sitting with your interest at 0% for 20+ years.
 
This may be a stupid question, but isn't the chance of all of this changing again within 25 years almost a guarantee? Would people be grandfathered in or not? It all depends on the legislation which is bound to change right?
 
In the income driven repayment options, your payment 1st applies to the non-capitalizing interest. It's only when you've paid the interest in-full that any payment gets applied to the principal.

Oy, sorry, I was wrong. That's unfortunate
 
This may be a stupid question, but isn't the chance of all of this changing again within 25 years almost a guarantee? Would people be grandfathered in or not? It all depends on the legislation which is bound to change right?
not a stupid question at all and highly likely to change. I doubt the grandfathering.
 
This may be a stupid question, but isn't the chance of all of this changing again within 25 years almost a guarantee? Would people be grandfathered in or not? It all depends on the legislation which is bound to change right?
I think the odds of change are high, but the odds of existing students being grandfathered into the old plans are also extremely high.

A lot of lawyers really do take low-paying jobs with the government (when they had the option of higher-paying private work) and they depend on these plans staying in place for themselves. They also work closely with the very legislators that write the new rules.
 
Will the forgiven amount be written of as taxable income?

Does this mean that the tax bomb will in effect be lower? Since 50% of unpaid interest won't accrue. In effect the loan won't balloon as much but of course you pay 5 extra years vs. original PAYE.

But sucks we have to pay 25 years vs 20. Better than IBR though...

The new revision doesn't mention anything about forgiveness being taxable income. However this may be because it's a revision and that its assumed to be taxable income based off the original PAYE.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2070469-ed-dept-revised-pay-as-you-earn-repaye-proposal.html
 
Does this mean that the tax bomb will in effect be lower? Since 50% of unpaid interest won't accrue. In effect the loan won't balloon as much but of course you pay 5 extra years vs. original PAYE.

But sucks we have to pay 25 years vs 20. Better than IBR though...

The new revision doesn't mention anything about forgiveness being taxable income. However this may be because it's a revision and that its assumed to be taxable income based off the original PAYE.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2070469-ed-dept-revised-pay-as-you-earn-repaye-proposal.html
I developed a REPAYE spreadsheet for a PAYE comparison.

PAYE screen shot:
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REPAYE screen shot:
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In these examples, REPAYE amount forgiven = $686,936 PAYE amount forgiven = $852,544. So, REPAYE - less forgiven means a lower reported taxable cancelation of debt. But, total paid based on AGI - REPAYE = $563,628 PAYE = $397,455

My conclusion is PAYE is better than REPAYE which is better than IBR.
 
Thanks for the information Sigma. At least REPAYE is better than IBR.
 
Can anyone give more detail on the line about "• Capping the amount of interest that can accrue when a borrower’s monthly payment is insufficient to cover the interest to avoid ballooning loan balances."?

Does that mean the government cancels interest in excess of the monthly PAYE payment? Or will it accrue at lower than the 6.8% rate? If so, at what rate?

Ex. I have 142k in loans. My monthly PAYE amount is $292.00 or $3,504.01 per year, which leaves roughly 6.2k in unpaid interest per year that accumulates. Will that all go away??
 
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