"Right" motivation for becoming a physician

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Hello, I was wondering if you guys have any examples of the "correct" motivation for becoming a physician. I know that there are A LOT of legitimate reasons and that there is no one "right" answer. Also seemingly "good" answers like "I wanna help people" are overused and vague (since you can work at McD's and "help" hungry people), and even "bad" answers like "doctors have status in society" can be turned around into "I want to take responsibility for planning how to treat patients and earn their trust."

I was reading a similar thread earlier (couldn't find it again sadly) and apparently there's a huge difference between the "WHY do you want to be a physician" question versus "HOW do you become a good physician." If someone could find that thread, that would be awesome.

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i wanna be able to walk into any bar and tell the hottest girl that I'm a neurosurgeon and have her come home with me
 
and that's pretty much the only reason that im going into medicine
 
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i wanna be able to walk into any bar and tell the hottest girl that I'm a neurosurgeon and have her come home with me

LOL, well I was hoping for a more serious answer. I already have my own reasons for pursuing medicine, but I'm still figuring out HOW I'm gonna portray it, especially in my PS.
 
i wanna be able to walk into any bar and tell the hottest girl that I'm a neurosurgeon and have her come home with me

You don't have to be a neurosurgeon to do that.
 
Very true. In my experience, you can simply say "I'm pre med"... That usually does the trick.

"Because I started out as a premed, I have to become a medical student." LOL
 
Lol, PS time eh?

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I've known people to have argued simply that it's just what they've always wanted to do. I wouldn't play that hand even if it were true for me, however. My consideration of a medical career was something I tripped over when I was about 22 after working in an ER for awhile. What is your motivation, in a general sense?

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Sorry OP. Looks like you're not getting any real advice here.
 
A doctor I shadowed recently told me his motivation for becoming a doctor was that he had a really authoritarian father and the only time he saw his dad take orders from someone else was when a doctor in a nice car came to do a house call. So there's an idea.
 
Hello, I was wondering if you guys have any examples of the "correct" motivation for becoming a physician. I know that there are A LOT of legitimate reasons and that there is no one "right" answer. Also seemingly "good" answers like "I wanna help people" are overused and vague (since you can work at McD's and "help" hungry people), and even "bad" answers like "doctors have status in society" can be turned around into "I want to take responsibility for planning how to treat patients and earn their trust."

I was reading a similar thread earlier (couldn't find it again sadly) and apparently there's a huge difference between the "WHY do you want to be a physician" question versus "HOW do you become a good physician." If someone could find that thread, that would be awesome.

The "I just want to help people" thing has been done to death even from my perspective as a fellow pre-med, and it sounds naive. For me, it's about being the leader of a health care team, taking responsibility for your patients, problem solving, and working with a knowledgeable and dedicated staff.

And the money. And hot studs.
 
The "I just want to help people" thing has been done to death even from my perspective as a fellow pre-med, and it sounds naive. For me, it's about being the leader of a health care team, taking responsibility for your patients, problem solving, and working with a knowledgeable and dedicated staff.

And the money. And hot studs.

Unfortunately, to your latter point, being a female doctor doesn't attract hot studs. You can't study your way to being physically attractive to other men.
 
SDN & Politically Correct Motivation for Medical School Admissions: You are a walking charity. You want to go into medicine solely for the purpose of selflessly helping people without any expectations of making good money. You not only want to serve your patients well, but should also volunteer a considerable amount of time to helping the underserved.

Once again, I would like to repeat that you have no expectations of making a good salary. This has no bearing on your desire to go into the field.

Real Motivations: There is absolutely no "right" or "wrong" motivation for becoming a physician. As long as you are a competent person who does everything you can to genuinely help your patients, then you should be considered a good physician. Your true intentions when you enter the room, whether they are to make money or to be "charitable," are completely irrelevant to what you do as a physician.

Why do I go to my specific PCP? He is a very competent physician who takes my concerns and opinions into account when devising a treatment plan for my chief complaint. I do not know what intentions he had as a pre-med. I do not know what his salary is. I do not know what kind of car he drives. I do not know how big his house is. I do not know what he does on weekends.

So whether he went to medical school for the sheer joy of helping people or making money; whether he makes $150,000 or $1,000,000; whether he drives a Porsche or a Hyundai (no offense to them, they make very fine cars now for the money); whether he has a two bedroom condo or a mansion on the hill; or whether he spends his weekends at a free clinic or in Vegas with escorts makes absolutely no difference when I come to him with my chief complaint. All of these things are completely irrelevant in his ability to treat me. I'm not going to the doctor to make a new friend or to be judgmental, I'm going to the doctor to address a problem I have. Everything mentioned above makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in his or her ability to address this problem.

Therefore, despite there being a very specific reason that you are expected to go into medicine, thus being the "right" motivation; the actual motivations for physicians wanting to go into medicine can vary dramatically, and are completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
 
You don't think these "less noble" motivations might correlate largely with the kinda doctors we should be running frantically from? Not claiming any universals, but it seems like it could be a valid concern.

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You don't think these "less noble" motivations might correlate largely with the kinda doctors we should be running frantically from? Not claiming any universals, but it seems like it could be a valid concern.

I don't know why, but today seems like it's gonna be a great daaaaaaaayyyy...

The problem is that ADCOMs are looking for a rare quality in its applicants, yet somehow just about everyone is showing it. The applicants' true characters are being misjudged time after time after time.

If society accepts physicians as human beings, and sets forth realistic expectations, then I'm sure everyone will be happy. I'm not sure why everyone believes that there are problems with today's doctors? I think everyone is trying to make a big issue out of something that doesn't exist.
 
Over all, I don't really think there's a big problem with doctors in general. Are there people that are not well suited, metrics aside, for a career as a physician that make it into medical school? Yea. Is the opposite true? I'd argue that, yea, this is an effect as well. Do I have a good solution to this problem? Nah. I guess I can't really complain if I don't have a suggestion to significantly improve the selection process. I do think that the interview process could be a bit less subjective though.

I don't know why, but today seems like it's gonna be a great daaaaaaaayyyy...
 
Hello, I was wondering if you guys have any examples of the "correct" motivation for becoming a physician. I know that there are A LOT of legitimate reasons and that there is no one "right" answer. Also seemingly "good" answers like "I wanna help people" are overused and vague (since you can work at McD's and "help" hungry people), and even "bad" answers like "doctors have status in society" can be turned around into "I want to take responsibility for planning how to treat patients and earn their trust."

I was reading a similar thread earlier (couldn't find it again sadly) and apparently there's a huge difference between the "WHY do you want to be a physician" question versus "HOW do you become a good physician." If someone could find that thread, that would be awesome.

If you are planning for interviews, the tried and true answers work. However you can't just say i want to help people. You have to explain why, give a reason for it. Its all about the why. Its so easy to rattle off words like: effective, punctual, leader, teamplayer. It all doesn't mean anything if u can't explain why.
 
This isn't the answer I used, but my friend had some success with it on the interview trail. He was a 24yo who had done TFA for two years, and had about 3 pubs in college tho, so he was a good applicant to begin with. But even so, if you want to give an answer that adcoms like that has nothing to do with altruism, money, job opportunities, or your tragically stillborn child, here's what you say.

One reason I want to be a physician is because it gives me an opportunity to be a mentor and educator, to residents, students, and patients, in the context of medicine. Another reason is that it gives me the chance to contribute to our understanding of human physiology and illness. A final reason...

This is the part where they ask you
"why not get a Ph.D. then."

Then you say

Because right now, there's a Ph.D. glut, and even though being a scientist would be amazing, being a permanent postdoc would suck real cray balls, namsayin? That **** cray.


Yes, it's not the best answer, or even that great of one. And it only works if your resume has a lot of research experience, and if you've done something like TFA. You need to show evidence that you want to be a teacher and a researcher.


But I'll bet that an adcom would much rather hear it instead of "I want to help people."




I guess the takeaway here is that your answer needs to reflect the work you've done. You can't talk about your desires to go into research and academic medicine unless you've done a lot of research. You can't talk about being an educator if you don't have years of experience in teaching. And you shouldn't talk about "helping people" unless you've shown a truly exceptional degree of altruism.
 
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I know double posting is frowned upon, but this is a completely different idea than my old post, so I felt it warranted a new one.

I see a lot of posts like this one

I think the lifestyle kids are disgusting. Did you not hear about the long workweeks and the sacrifices in your personal life you'd have to make when you first applied to medical school?

This "different strokes for different folks" garbage needs to die. Your actions and lifestyle do not exist in a vacuum. The medical system puts a lot of resources into training each physician, anticipating that they will be able to care for the population in the future. There are already not enough doctors to see patients, and you think it's totally cool to weigh down the system so you can make easy money and work part-time? What a pathetic self [sic] of self-entitlement.

If you don't have a minimum level of dedication to your patients (and yes, that means more than ****ing 40 hours a week), you shouldn't have applied in the first place.

that bash people for thinking about lifestyles, their spouse, their children, their interests outside medicine, and it really makes me feel sad to see stuff like this. Just because a lot of effort goes into training a physician does not mean that everyone should work 100+ hrs/week. Because face it, the world needs ER Docs. It needs Dermatologists, Psychiatrists, FP Docs, Hospitalists, and all the other guys who don't work the hours of a Surgery Resident.


I also know that a lot of people, even in the medical profession, speak with annoyance at the newer generations of physicians for having the temerity to think about life outside medicine (the horror!). I think these guys are full of crap, and have the introspective skills of a rock.

I mean, let's think about medicine in the past. One thing that people cared about, a lot, was prestige and money. This was why specialties like GenSu, and top IM programs, were so popular: they were the gateway to prestigious fellowships in fields like Vascular Surgery, Surgical Oncology, Gastroenterology, Cardiology, etc. Yes, these fields meant a lot of work. But they also meant a lot of prestige and money, which was what people back then valued. As this passage shows, things are different now.

Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Medical Specialty said:
Medical students, therefore, are turning to specialties that afford better lifestyles and minimal hassles. As medical students reject fields with more grueling lifestyles (like internal medicine and obstetrics-gynecology), one workaholic specialty is particularly suffering: general surgery. In the past, only the most elite students---those within the upper tier of their class—went into surgery. A highly competitive specialty for decades, general surgery is the gateway to high-status careers in vascular, cardiothoracic, oncologic, and plastic surgery, among others. But the current generation of students seems less concerned with prestige. The poor quality of life and years of personal sacrifice are discouraging many top medical students from surgical careers. These shrewd students do their cost-benefit analysis and surgery is the loser.

Things have changed now, and younger future physicians, such as myself 🙂, are thinking more about lifestyle instead of prestige and money. And you know what? That doesn't make me any less of a man for doing so. Deal with it.
 
i wanna be able to walk into any bar and tell the hottest girl that I'm a neurosurgeon and have her come home with me

HA! You are doing it wrong if you need to brag that you are a neurosurgeon.
 
1) I love when my advice is sought after by people in need.

2) I love the feeling of being an expert in my field, and my favorite field is human health.

3) I want a job that guarantees enough money and free time for a modest lifestyle and weekend adventures (I am pretty set on preventitive medicine or family medicine.)

4) Chicks dig doctors.
 
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There's nothing wrong with "I want to help people" as your reason for becoming a doctor. Probably the majority of personal statements are based around that in some way. But the important thing is to be able to express it eloquently and to color it with specific experiences and reflections that make you sound earnest and driven.
 
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