RISE results

[greennature]

I was just reviewing my RISE results...I noticed that some of the items are highlighted ? what does that mean?

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[dmdmd]

I was just reviewing my RISE results...I noticed that some of the items are highlighted ? what does that mean?

The highlighted ones are yours. The non-highlighted ones are the national averages for each year of training... That's how I interpreted my result.

 

[greennature]

I can't understand it yet...for example the raw of surgical pathology is highlighted including my score, overall score and scores for all years??

 

[dmdmd]

Not on mine. The word document they sent me includes 3 highlighted scores, which are my total, my AP and my ST scores (I did not do the CP part). I still have not checked the statistical analysis on their website yet given that I lost my password. I do not have a good explanation for what happened to you. Let's wait for other people's response.

 

[yaah]

What do you mean highlighted? On mine, some rows are in yellow, some are in white, it's almost every other line but not quite. And there are a few numbers in bold, but those are my scores from the overall (AP, CP, special topics) categories.

 

[greennature]

I mean the yellow raws..does that mean anything?

 

[yaah]

I mean the yellow raws..does that mean anything?

No. I suspect it's a presentation gimmick to allow you to follow the rows across easier than if every row was the same color. I could be wrong and it's some sort of communist conspiracy to subvert us all into the doctrine of the righteousness of the socialist way of life, but I would doubt it.

 

[yaah]

On a RISE related note, our PD has informed us that doing well on the RISE does correlate with future ability to pass the boards - specifically, your score during 4th year. Many people argue that the questions on the RISE (and the information stressed) are different than the boards, which is probably true. But it is also true that those who do well on the RISE are likely to do well on the Boards, even if it is simply a reflection of test-taking ability and general pathology knowledge.

Note: This does not apply if you cheat on the RISE. 😉

 

[CameronFrye]

On a RISE related note, our PD has informed us that doing well on the RISE does correlate with future ability to pass the boards - specifically, your score during 4th year. Many people argue that the questions on the RISE (and the information stressed) are different than the boards, which is probably true. But it is also true that those who do well on the RISE are likely to do well on the Boards, even if it is simply a reflection of test-taking ability and general pathology knowledge.

Note: This does not apply if you cheat on the RISE. 😉

How did you receive your RISE results (email, snail mail, etc)? I haven't heard anything yet.

 

[yaah]

Emailed from the RISE people - score report in an attachment.

 

[CameronFrye]

Emailed from the RISE people - score report in an attachment.

Ok, thanks. I haven't seen anything yet. I hope it didn't go to my spam folder and get deleted.

 

[djmd]

On a RISE related note, our PD has informed us that doing well on the RISE does correlate with future ability to pass the boards - specifically, your score during 4th year. Many people argue that the questions on the RISE (and the information stressed) are different than the boards, which is probably true. But it is also true that those who do well on the RISE are likely to do well on the Boards, even if it is simply a reflection of test-taking ability and general pathology knowledge.

Note: This does not apply if you cheat on the RISE. 😉

If your RISE score has any correlation with you ability to pass boards it must be random and should be regarded as error by some statistical test I don't know but will be on boards...

 

[yaah]

If your RISE score has any correlation with you ability to pass boards it must be random and should be regarded as error by some statistical test I don't know but will be on boards...

I don't think so - why would there be NO correlation? That doesn't make sense. Doing well on the RISE means one (or more) of three things:

1) You are good at taking tests
2) You know pathology well, at least in the form it can be tested
3) You have the opportunity to cheat and take it

Now, 1 & 2 also apply to the boards. Standard logic applies, it's not random at all.

 

[djmd]

I don't think so - why would there be NO correlation? That doesn't make sense. Doing well on the RISE means one (or more) of three things:

1) You are good at taking tests
2) You know pathology well, at least in the form it can be tested
3) You have the opportunity to cheat and take it

Now, 1 & 2 also apply to the boards. Standard logic applies, it's not random at all.

Anyone else who has taken boards wish to comment on the apparent lack of usefulness of 1 & 2 on taking boards?

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Anyone else who has taken boards wish to comment on the apparent lack of usefulness of 1 & 2 on taking boards?

I haven't taken the boards (duh), but I agree with #1. People who do well on standardized exams will do well. Period. I've seen people who study their @ss off for exams, but just can't attain a certain level of performance no matter how much studying they do. Taking a test is a talent which some possess and some do not.

 

[Adrian Cocot]

I think the CAP commissioned a study a while back looking at the correlation between RISE scores and board pass rates. That, and many institutions, including ours, have done internal reviews looking at the same.

Conventional knowledge has it, that if your AP RISE scores are at or above the nat'l averages, you've got a strong chance of passing the AP portion of boards.

CP depends on how many chickens you sacrifice at the altar.

 

[djmd]

I haven't taken the boards (duh), but I agree with #1. People who do well on standardized exams will do well. Period. I've seen people who study their @ss off for exams, but just can't attain a certain level of performance no matter how much studying they do. Taking a test is a talent which some possess and some do not.

I am one of those people who normally does well or at least has an easy time taking standardized tests, I normally finish with lots of time to spare, and know how to help yourself eliminate choices, even when you aren't totally sure of the exam.

I barely had any extra time on the boards. There were questions that were specifically written (or answer choices given) that would not have been the choice you would be lead towards with test taking strategies...

Maybe it was because I knew the RISE didn't mater, but to me, the difficultly of RISE is to Boards as SAT:MCATx2...

 

[sohsie]

I've heard all sorts of things re: RISE vs boards. Most people I talk to think that the AP RISE questions are typical of boards questions. The CP, however, is different. Some say it is a completely different exam. Some, including those who have taken it recently, say its similar. And I even had one person claim that the CP boards were EASIER and MORE STRAIGHFORWARD than the RISE. Go figure?!?

Ive also heard from many people the old wives tale that score >500 = likely to pass boards.

Personally, I think that if you take the RISE seriously and do better than the average PGY4 score, you are probably in a good position to pass. I hope so, anyway, since I did better than average on AP and did really, really well on CP.

 

[cluecells]

I am one of those people who normally does well or at least has an easy time taking standardized tests, I normally finish with lots of time to spare, and know how to help yourself eliminate choices, even when you aren't totally sure of the exam.

I barely had any extra time on the boards. There were questions that were specifically written (or answer choices given) that would not have been the choice you would be lead towards with test taking strategies...

Maybe it was because I knew the RISE didn't mater, but to me, the difficultly of RISE is to Boards as SAT:MCATx2...

I totally agree with you djmd. The AP Board also tests if you can make a diagnosis with a kindergarden style microscope on a totally faint 50 year old glass slide in less than 90 seconds or if you can drive around like drunk with the "virtuell" microscope.
And yes, I had a RISE close to 600, did not help me during the Boards.

 

[Path Mama]

I know I'm adding evidence that isn't entirely applicable now, but the first year we started taking the RISE as a web-based test (around 2004?), the results were returned with our percentile rankings in addition to the national averages. Also at that time, it was one of the last years the AP/CP boards were graded on a "curve." Right or wrong, I believed that the other board test takers were in my year, and if my scores placed me in a high enough percentile over my peers, I would likely pass the boards (since it was graded on a "curve", and we could look up the statistics of percentage of those who passed/failed each year).

I don't know if it's still done, but I also received the positions of my scores on the boards in my qualification letter as falling in one of three tiers (upper, middle, or lower third). For me, there was a definite correlation between my RISE scores and percentiles, and my performance on the boards.

Anyway, for what it's worth . . .