risk of loss of accreditation at 5 schools?

[mcatsucksss]

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so i just read in an ama article that 5 med schools are at risk of probation by the lcme. i was wondering how that would effect the students currently enrolled at those schools? do they just not graduate??

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2011/12/05/prsa1205.htm

 

[Isoprop]

A school going into probation is nothing new or alarming. 99% of the time, it's something benign that can be easily remedied. The school is still accredited and as long as it fixes the problem, it really is a non-issue.

 

[TAWS]

A school going into probation is nothing new or alarming. 99% of the time, it's something benign that can be easily remedied. The school is still accredited and as long as it fixes the problem, it really is a non-issue.

I don't think you read the article. Getting put on probation is a pretty big deal and is becoming more common in recent years. This means LCME is cracking down on non-compliant schools and the chances of losing accreditation, however remote, are significantly increased. Furthermore, this will have ripples in how students at the school are treated and influence recruiting.

I believe SUNY Upstate will join the list in the spring as a committee recommended to the LCME they be put on probation.

 

[cbrons]

Violations differed among the schools. Among problems cited were a lack of policies to ensure diversity among students and faculty

What the heck does this mean? It's now against LCME policy to not have affirmative action in place?

 

[residencysearch]

What the heck does this mean? It's now against LCME policy to not have affirmative action in place?

3 of these schools, I doubt, have problem with their diversity. Besides, they seem to be more concerned with the academics. One of the things they talked about is the clerkships. I do see a problem with clinical clerkships not being standardized, my school for one. The quality of some of the sites at our school or the quality of teaching is subpar. They tend to stick people in community hospitals who dont know what to do with students and some of us end up not learning anything. As with UTHSCSA, well, they were concerned about non-faculty people teaching the lectures or something like that. The offshore schools, well, they are in the Carribean and the MCATs are low.

 

[NurWollen]

3 of these schools, I doubt, have problem with their diversity. Besides, they seem to be more concerned with the academics. One of the things they talked about is the clerkships. I do see a problem with clinical clerkships not being standardized, my school for one. The quality of some of the sites at our school or the quality of teaching is subpar. They tend to stick people in community hospitals who dont know what to do with students and some of us end up not learning anything. As with UTHSCSA, well, they were concerned about non-faculty people teaching the lectures or something like that. The offshore schools, well, they are in the Carribean and the MCATs are low.

No offense to your post, you make some good points, but I really am sick of people referring to Puerto Rican schools as Caribbean... being in the Caribbean is in no way related to "Caribbean schools" as the term is commonly used.

 

[Abby_Normal]

Being on probation is pretty serious, but if the schools fix their problems, they should recover. If I remember correctly, George Washington SOM was on probation a couple of years ago...I don't mean to downplay the situation, and certainly if my school were on probation I'd be extremely anxious.

 

[DoctwoB]

Depends why the schools are on probation and if the cause can easily be fixed.

Issues of some aspects of pre-clinical curriculum not matching LCME standard? easy fix.

Issues of not having enough clinical sites for students or severely inadequate facilities? much tougher.

 

[Socrates25]

Surprise surprise! Guess which program is on the list --- one of the new "innovative" medical schools, Commonwealth.

What a joke! A school that is only 2 years old is already on probation. If you look at their website you can see their ridiculous spin on this whole thing:

4. The LCME noted that, in January 2011, additional clinical faculty members were necessary in pediatrics, psychiatry, and obstetrics-gynecology to provide the full M3 curriculum.

Comment: We were still recruiting clinical faculty members in January 2011. The recruitment and faculty development activities were completed before our charter class students began their M3 Longitudinal Integrated Clerkship this week (6/25/11). Our M3 students have complete schedules with physician faculty members assigned for their experiences. In addition, there are back-up physicians, if needed. We also take great pride that our TCMC clinical training utilizes an inter-professional approach and includes nurses, midwives, psychologists, pharmacists, and others, as well as our outstanding volunteer community-based physician faculty members.

Translation: our crappy med school cant afford real faculty, so you are going to be trained by crappy community faculty, nurses, and social workers.

As I knew all along, programs like this one are a joke and should have never been granted accreditation in the first place.

 

[Socrates25]

I do see a problem with clinical clerkships not being standardized, my school for one. The quality of some of the sites at our school or the quality of teaching is subpar. They tend to stick people in community hospitals who dont know what to do with students and some of us end up not learning anything. As with UTHSCSA, well, they were concerned about non-faculty people teaching the lectures or something like that. The offshore schools, well, they are in the Carribean and the MCATs are low.

The bottom line is that all of these new schools were put together haphazardly with no thought given to the clinical rotations. Many of them make med students set up their own rotations, knowing good and well that they will have to work in some podunk ER 500 miles away with ****ty clinical preceptors because the main med school campus has no hospital or clinic network to support it.

 

[LoveandHate]

What the heck does this mean? It's now against LCME policy to not have affirmative action in place?

I know this is seriously ridiculous.