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i work in a medical office as a medical assistant and sometimes I encounter really rude patients with attitudes and act like they know everything. they sometimes question your skill, make rude comments and will even demand for another nurse. my question is, as doctors, what is the best way to deal with tough and rude patients?
 
Probably because they know your young and not as experienced as a doctor or nurse.
 
i work in a medical office as a medical assistant and sometimes I encounter really rude patients with attitudes and act like they know everything. they sometimes question your skill, make rude comments and will even demand for another nurse. my question is, as doctors, what is the best way to deal with tough and rude patients?

Just take it in stride. It is their problem, not yours.
 
i work in a doctor's office also as an assistant and have to deal with rude patients. the thing to remember though is that most of these people are very uncomfortable. this causes them to be more cranky and rude.

I had a discussion about this with another assistant who sits next to me. She fights back and responds with rudeness also. Without offending her, I was able to explain to her that as one who deals with patients and as one who wants to go into the healthcare profession (she is planning to go into nursing), you have to be able to approach these patients with patience, as hard as that is.

There are definitely patients who are unneccessarily rude and some who are more rude than others. It's a difference of character. I know when my dad went through surgery he was very cranky for awhile, so I try to be more understanding when i talk to those patients. Always keep your cool and smile (even if you're talking to them ont he phone). 🙂
 
i wouldnt worry about it, Ive been a pharmacy tech for years and when I get the people who come monthly with control scripts, I get chewed out on a regular basis as to why I need their Driver's license number. Its pretty simple, as its a State Law for some and Federal for others, but people have it in their mind that they know the law better. And thats just the tip of the iceburg.

Don't fret over it; brush it off and move on.
 
i work in a medical office as a medical assistant and sometimes I encounter really rude patients with attitudes and act like they know everything. they sometimes question your skill, make rude comments and will even demand for another nurse. my question is, as doctors, what is the best way to deal with tough and rude patients?

I understand that when you get to administer IV's, the patients become more understanding.

Imagine having a large needle and giving a shot to the rude person. It will make you smile. You might even giggle.
 
Unfortunately there will be rude, condescending and downright racist/sexist/abusive patients even when you're a physician.

Just like in life, you have to learn to deal with all kinds of people, unsavory or otherwise.
 
Well, I think with widespread access to the internet and sites like WebMD, patients in general feel like they know more about what's going on than they actually do. Instead of being rude to just medical assistants, some may extend this to the physician as well. The answer was already given of course "take it in stride" but I definitely think this is something we will have to deal with in the future.
 
Rude is so broad. It's the mean and nasty ones that you have to watch out for. I've seen some whoppers in my day as well. The meanest of the mean don't understand what they need to do to get better, which is the really sad part. The health system has let them down because they don't know how to work it. Patient education is where its at people, don't forget it. And for all you medical students people will ask you questions which you don't know the answer to, don't lie to them please.
 
After working for what seems like a lifetime in retail, I can tell you that every situation will be different. You learn to take things in stride and just continue your day despite rudeness. Some people are rude when they are scared and insecure (and in pain) and you just need to remind that to yourself. And some people love bullying and belittling others. Remind yourself that you are competent and secure in your skills and be firm with them. Hey, nobody said that you have to take everything that's dished out.
 
Unfortunately there will be rude, condescending and downright racist/sexist/abusive patients even when you're a physician.

Just like in life, you have to learn to deal with all kinds of people, unsavory or otherwise.

yeah i understand that we'll have to learn the best way to deal with these people....but what is the best way? put them in their place or let it roll down your back? i believe it's necessary to have a backbone sometimes or some of these people will keep being rude.
 
After working for what seems like a lifetime in retail, I can tell you that every situation will be different. You learn to take things in stride and just continue your day despite rudeness. Some people are rude when they are scared and insecure (and in pain) and you just need to remind that to yourself. And some people love bullying and belittling others. Remind yourself that you are competent and secure in your skills and be firm with them. Hey, nobody said that you have to take everything that's dished out.
right on
 
can you guys share some similar situations(not necessarily medical) and how you dealt with them?
thanx
 
can you guys share some similar situations(not necessarily medical) and how you dealt with them?
thanx

"Give me a second I'll go grab the attending" ---15 minutes later..."Here they are" (The wait was not MY fault but sufficient to say the patient is now pissed off, unless of course I told them I was trying every 5 minutes)

As a student the real fun is when the patient just tells you to leave because you are a student. Or flips a **** when they don't get what they want after seeing you first, I can go on lol.

And I can talk down MOST patients, and so can you with experience, but if they don't budge, don't waste your time....just go up..
 
Don't pay attention to it and don't let it affect the quality of your work or your personality. Some people are dinguses in general, many are just caught at bad times (when people are sick some tend to behave like dinguses in america). Medicine is the ultimate personality ****mixer dump, you find all kinds of beautiful mixed will all kinds of crazy.


When I volunteered in my local hospital i've come across crazy patients, weird patients, but never rude ones (weird huh?) except for ones with clear personality disorders (you can tell their anger is not towards you but towards everyone in general)

The most rude of them all was actually a nurse assistant. Some misunderstanding happened so the lady came up to my face, started pointing her hospital id in my face telling me I was "nothing" (even though I also had the same type of id in my pocket lol) and she then proceeded to curse at me with all the standard f*** y**, b**** etc...

Was interesting. I told her thank you for your time and then reported her to the director.


In other news my mom went to a lawyer today due to a patient suing the hospital she works in after a fake fall. My mom was listed as a John Doe in the incident (she wasn't even w/ the patient at the time)...lovely.
 
Just forget about them. We get them at the hospital all the time and we just have to deal with it. They are cranky because they are sick.
 
i work in a medical office as a medical assistant and sometimes I encounter really rude patients with attitudes and act like they know everything. they sometimes question your skill, make rude comments and will even demand for another nurse. my question is, as doctors, what is the best way to deal with tough and rude patients?

Don't worry, they'll teach you a bunch of Jedi mind tricks.
 
i work in a doctor's office also as an assistant and have to deal with rude patients. the thing to remember though is that most of these people are very uncomfortable. this causes them to be more cranky and rude.

I had a discussion about this with another assistant who sits next to me. She fights back and responds with rudeness also. Without offending her, I was able to explain to her that as one who deals with patients and as one who wants to go into the healthcare profession (she is planning to go into nursing), you have to be able to approach these patients with patience, as hard as that is.

There are definitely patients who are unneccessarily rude and some who are more rude than others. It's a difference of character. I know when my dad went through surgery he was very cranky for awhile, so I try to be more understanding when i talk to those patients. Always keep your cool and smile (even if you're talking to them ont he phone). 🙂

Yeah I think this advice is good. I think there are many reasons for why they could be rude. Maybe they are just not naturally good at talking to others and come off that way because they are grumpy people in general. Maybe they are cranky and in pain or really feeling ill and so out of it that they come off that way.

Or perhaps they had a bad experience with doctors in the past. i've had a few instances where I've found out I've had really bad allergic responses to medicine and where I've felt somewhat apprehensive about what doctors say. I have a PDR which I got for free from school. I look up what the side effects and everything about whatever meds I'm given cuz I have been given reason to question some situations in the past but I'm not rude about it and very polite with doctors. However, I can see why people sometimes feel it hard to trust doctors and healthcare workers.

Some people are just plain ignorant and think older means better and don't trust younger people so they are rude and ask for someone older or in a higher position. Some people feel like they are not getting through to their healthcare providers so they show resentment.

Oh the list goes on of things I've observed in my family, friends, and other people I've known.
 
Yeah, but we have two things going for us:

(1) There are a lot of people who will be rude to allied health. There are far fewer people who will be rude to their doctor. Be it a innate respect for the profession, or simple self-interest of knowing who writes their pain med prescriptions, I have found far fewer people give me crap when I have MD on my coat than they did when I was a CNA.

(2) As a physician, you don't have to spend nearly as much time with patients as nurses, techs, etc. Much of our care is determined by lab results, imaging, confering with colleagues, etc. There is a reason we only spend 5 minutes with patients on rounds: ie - there's not much info we need from them other than a few basics.

You bring up some good points. Although I know of some people who resent doctors because they think they don't spend enough time per patient though they don't understand the reasons why whether it is the aforementioned above or HMOs dictating time limitations.
 
Yeah, but we have two things going for us:

(1) There are a lot of people who will be rude to allied health. There are far fewer people who will be rude to their doctor. Be it a innate respect for the profession, or simple self-interest of knowing who writes their pain med prescriptions, I have found far fewer people give me crap when I have MD on my coat than they did when I was a CNA.

(2) As a physician, you don't have to spend nearly as much time with patients as nurses, techs, etc. Much of our care is determined by lab results, imaging, confering with colleagues, etc. There is a reason we only spend 5 minutes with patients on rounds: ie - there's not much info we need from them other than a few basics.

Those are both good points. 👍
 
Sick, tired, worried about the unknown, in pain, 'inconvenienced' by spending time in a place they would rather not be, in unfamiliar surroundings, bad past experiences, read or heard too many stories about things gone wrong in medical offices - Patients and their family members who are rude are not necessarily like that in their day-to-day lives. Many would rather be anywhere else than having to seek healthcare. They can act out of character under the stress. Heck, even the sweetest animal can bite unexpectedly when it's in pain. So, you act like a professional and let it roll off your back. You don't shove the same back at them.

Of course, some people have attitudes that suck no matter where they are or who they're with. Luckily, you're only going to be interacting with them for a few minutes at a time. Then they can go make someone else suffer their nastiness.
 
As you go through medical school, you'll see a lot of ways to deal with rude or hostile patients -- some of which will be wonderful but totally incompatible with your personality, some of which will be horrendous, and a few of which will be great ways of dealing with people that you can actually pull off. Totally second the idea that people are ruder to ancillary staff than doctors, though. Heck, even as you move up the med student ladder (and are more confident in your abilities).

Best,
Anka
 
Laugh it off, seriously. A**holes are everywhere, and comparing tales of epic douchebaggery and a**hattery with your colleagues is good for a laugh and for blowing off steam.

I have some fabulous stories about this, like idiot women insisting I tell the Ob/Gyn's office they'll sue if they get pregnant because the on-call doctor, who's been in L&D all weekend, won't call in their birth control refill on Sunday afternoon, but they're much funnier when you're actually there.
 
Shooey, I work at the front desk of a busy ER and I deal with rude patients on a minute by minute basis. I'm learning to suck it up and realize these people are here during one of the least enjoyable moments of their lives and they aren't necessarily in their best frame of mind. I've had dads scream at me when a heart-attack patient goes to the back before their son who has a sore throat. Ladies cuss me when they see people with toothaches going to Fast-Track before their elderly mother with abdomen pain is seen. People with broken arms/legs/fingers don't understand that if all the beds are taken up in the back, they will simply have to wait until someone is discharged and a bed becomes available. The other day a nurse came out to replace me while I went to lunch, and when I came back, she said, "I'm never doing this again. This is the hardest job in the ER." :laugh:

Basically, after 6 months at this job, I just roll with the punches and take NOTHING personally. Some people are just idiots and that's all there is to it.
 
I don't think it matters if you are the nursing assistant, nurse, or doctor, some patients are just downright rude because they think they know more than you do or they are not satisfied with the answers they get.😀 Frustration may be the biggest reason for rudeness, but patients fail to realize that medicine isn't all knowing....I am a nurse and working in the ICU and ER I have had my share of rudeness, and initially, I take it, but eventually I see myself being sarcastic and being rude also....I am not necessarily proud of it, but hey, that's my personality....If I am trying to help you, why be pissy at me?:scared:
 
I give rude patients less of what they want (usually narcs or benzos) and less of my time. If someone answers their cell phone while I am in the room with them and doesn't immediately say "I'm with the doctor, I have to go." I will walk out of the room and see them later at my convenience.
 
i work in a medical office as a medical assistant and sometimes I encounter really rude patients with attitudes and act like they know everything. they sometimes question your skill, make rude comments and will even demand for another nurse. my question is, as doctors, what is the best way to deal with tough and rude patients?

You are in a medical office because you "like" being there and are "paid" for being there. A patient, on the other hand, is there because they "need" to be there and are "paying" for the experienc. I give them the benefit of the doubt. It's not fun doing something because you are compelled to do it or because it may hurt. Sometimes fear of the unknown brings out the worst in people.

How do I deal with rudeness? I make sure I am as opposite their behavior as possible and I take the time to listen to what they are saying. Most of the time, as you gain experience, you get more from what is NOT said versus what is said in a patient/physic an encounter.
 
yeah i understand that we'll have to learn the best way to deal with these people....but what is the best way? put them in their place or let it roll down your back? i believe it's necessary to have a backbone sometimes or some of these people will keep being rude.

I think that part of becoming a good doctor is that you learn how to read and relate with people. Some people are looking to see if they can elicit confidence from you-- is this person who's caring for me smart enough and confident enough to put me in my place? Sometimes they don't feel good-- physically or emotionally. It's up to you to figure out what works with people...

Another example of a people-reading profession: a hair stylist who has to figure out how to elicit a good tip from their client-- they have to figure out what's important to the person, and then provide it with a smile.

Practice makes perfect... the more rude people you deal with, the more opportunities you will have to figure out what makes people tick... there are all kinds of reasons why someone could be rude... now you being the scientist, it's up to you to identify the cues that indicate that for one person, you should kill them with kindness, and for the next, you should tell them their behavior isn't okay and that they need to calm down.
 
There's a point -- and I think it's different for everyone -- where it's time to stop being polite, empathetic, and understanding, and to start drawing boundaries. This is especially important when you're in a longer-term relationship with a patient.

I'm an oncology researcher, and my medical team has had to "fire" patients -- patients who are noncompliant, intractable, or disruptive to the rest of the practice. It's true: these patients have cancer, and there are few diagnoses in the world that are more terrifying. But if a patient, despite an explanation that they're out of line, keeps making unreasonable demands, continues to fail appointments, or causes havoc among the other patients, it's time to take a stand.

I'm thinking of a patient in particular, who demands two-hour education sessions, insists that we do the legwork she should be doing with her insurance company, asks for implausible special treatment (stuff boutique practices would balk at), and berates every member of her medical team (except for me -- and that's because I'm a dude, and the rest of the team is composed of women. Ironic, because she's a she, and because every other member of my team has orders of magnitude more experience and expertise than I do). Each of us has tried talking to her, coming from a "place of love" (as it were), expressing our understanding that she's (rightfully) terrified, but that there's a limit to what we can do and what sort of insults we'll tolerate. No luck, natch, and we're now discussing asking her to be treated elsewhere -- mostly because her demands and outbursts are disruptive to other patients, who need just as much care as she does.

Obvs., you're not going to be able to do that -- you're an MA. Hell, neither can I. But I've seen patients who repeatedly ruin the practice, stir up panic and make unfulfillable demands, and need to be encouraged to seek care elsewhere. It sounds coldly pragmatic, but sometimes it's necessary. Even Mother Teresa had to lower the smackdown every now and again.
 
There's a point -- and I think it's different for everyone -- where it's time to stop being polite, empathetic, and understanding, and to start drawing boundaries. This is especially important when you're in a longer-term relationship with a patient.

I'm an oncology researcher, and my medical team has had to "fire" patients -- patients who are noncompliant, intractable, or disruptive to the rest of the practice. It's true: these patients have cancer, and there are few diagnoses in the world that are more terrifying. But if a patient, despite an explanation that they're out of line, keeps making unreasonable demands, continues to fail appointments, or causes havoc among the other patients, it's time to take a stand.

I'm thinking of a patient in particular, who demands two-hour education sessions, insists that we do the legwork she should be doing with her insurance company, asks for implausible special treatment (stuff boutique practices would balk at), and berates every member of her medical team (except for me -- and that's because I'm a dude, and the rest of the team is composed of women. Ironic, because she's a she, and because every other member of my team has orders of magnitude more experience and expertise than I do). Each of us has tried talking to her, coming from a "place of love" (as it were), expressing our understanding that she's (rightfully) terrified, but that there's a limit to what we can do and what sort of insults we'll tolerate. No luck, natch, and we're now discussing asking her to be treated elsewhere -- mostly because her demands and outbursts are disruptive to other patients, who need just as much care as she does.

Obvs., you're not going to be able to do that -- you're an MA. Hell, neither can I. But I've seen patients who repeatedly ruin the practice, stir up panic and make unfulfillable demands, and need to be encouraged to seek care elsewhere. It sounds coldly pragmatic, but sometimes it's necessary. Even Mother Teresa had to lower the smackdown every now and again.

Wow that patient sounds a bit nutso!

You brought up the issue of patients not showing up to appts. I think at many doctors offices they have rules that if you miss a certain number of appts without informing cancellation in a certain amount of advance you can be dropped off the patient list and be forced to look elsewhere for a physician.

My father used to be really bad this way and it forced one of our old family physicians to drop him off the list of patients because he just didn't seem to get it that he needed to notify in far more advance then just skipping out on the appt. since someone else can show up in that time slot that he was signed up for.

Now he's under the care of a family friend.

If this lady wants a male oncologist, why doesn't she just look up one on her insurance? Usually insurances give names, sometimes age, sex, and where they trained at and what years; which implies what level of experience they have.

She should look up a male doc if that's what she wants rather then bothering you guys.
 
from working in my father's office i've found that the most obnoxious patients aren't the patients, but the parents of kids you see. not all of them are bad, but there are so many bossy parents who think they know what's best for the kid even though they brought them to see a physician for help in the first place...

and then the overprotective parents are bloody annoying. oh no don't give him that shot you're hurting him! i loved it when kids got their casts removed and they're screaming bloody murder because they think it's going to hurt getting it sawed off and the parents are freaking out. i chuckled a bit inside.
 
hahaha this scared the hell out of me the first time at the Cancer Center. The first 4-5 months i saw nothing but smiles and happy patients. Then, in about the course of a week, probably 3+ patients went what I refer to as "mental". The first patient I will never forget. He was enraged because he had been waiting for his medication for almost 35-40 minutes. The nurse sat him down and told him she'd be back in about 5 or so minutes. (of course, a reason to be upset). But the reason the nurse was busy was because there were two mini-emergencies. First, an IV was leaking onto the floor/patient in another room so she had to go and help fix that which took 5-10 after cleaning and making sure everything was ok. Then another patient had a very bad reaction to the medication (first time trying a new one) and the nurse was in there helping, seeing if he was ok, etc. for about 25-30 minutes.

The part that pisses me off is that this patient (mean/mad one) was sitting there the ENTIRE time saying loudly how "I SWEAR TO F*@&IN GOD next time we're getting a DIFFERENT NURSE" and how "SHE WINS THE AWARD ALRIGHT - SLOWEST WORKER EVER - been coming for years and she is the SLOWEST nurse I have ever seen" etc. he was such an _____. And I even tried to talk to him to calm him down and say oh im sorry you're upset because we're a little behind schedule we had some mess ups today and it's been kind of hectic and all he said was awwwe you're just a volunteer you're good kid you did good (bad grammar) and dont worry about it; its HER that is messing up.


I'm surprised when the nurse DID get to him she didn't accidentally miss the vein 4-5 times...hahaha jk by the way!! :laugh:
 
hahaha this scared the hell out of me the first time at the Cancer Center. The first 4-5 months i saw nothing but smiles and happy patients. Then, in about the course of a week, probably 3+ patients went what I refer to as "mental". The first patient I will never forget. He was enraged because he had been waiting for his medication for almost 35-40 minutes. The nurse sat him down and told him she'd be back in about 5 or so minutes. (of course, a reason to be upset). But the reason the nurse was busy was because there were two mini-emergencies. First, an IV was leaking onto the floor/patient in another room so she had to go and help fix that which took 5-10 after cleaning and making sure everything was ok. Then another patient had a very bad reaction to the medication (first time trying a new one) and the nurse was in there helping, seeing if he was ok, etc. for about 25-30 minutes.

The part that pisses me off is that this patient (mean/mad one) was sitting there the ENTIRE time saying loudly how "I SWEAR TO F*@&IN GOD next time we're getting a DIFFERENT NURSE" and how "SHE WINS THE AWARD ALRIGHT - SLOWEST WORKER EVER - been coming for years and she is the SLOWEST nurse I have ever seen" etc. he was such an _____. And I even tried to talk to him to calm him down and say oh im sorry you're upset because we're a little behind schedule we had some mess ups today and it's been kind of hectic and all he said was awwwe you're just a volunteer you're good kid you did good (bad grammar) and dont worry about it; its HER that is messing up.


I'm surprised when the nurse DID get to him she didn't accidentally miss the vein 4-5 times...hahaha jk by the way!! :laugh:


This happens all the time. Just last week we got an order for Midazole ( I think thats how you spell it) IV. We also had an stat order for open heart and a neo. So it took a little longer then usual to get the midazole IV ready. Anyway when I took it up to the nurse's station she was in the patient's room. So I took it in there and he just went crazy. Almost yelling that it took me so long (20-25 mins), and is everyone at the pharmacy as stupid as me. He was being so rude and the worst part was, he was sitting like so you could see his private parts. I felt so bad for the poor nurse 🙁
 
can you guys share some similar situations(not necessarily medical) and how you dealt with them?
thanx

I'm a receptionist at a veterinary clinic and I handle loads of very rude clients because it's located in a very upscale part of the city. I just follow protocol and am very polite no matter how rude/nasty/screaming they get. Then when it's over I b*tch about it to the other receptionists and then exercise when I get home to blow off steam. That works for me.
 
I always get a good laugh when patients come into the ER and they think that they know everything. I go in to get medical history and all the other pertinent information and they sit there trying to tell me what is wrong. 99% of the time, they are wrong anyways so it doesn't matter. Brush it off and move on to the next patient, you will always find one that will make you smile.😀
 
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