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Study from 2014. Does not discuss pain, but even running 2x a week for 10 minutes at 10 min pace saves lives.
Dangle those Percs on a stick in front of the patient and get people moving....

I was getting motivated for half marathon training this AM with a 10.5 mi run starting soon. Came across this as a reason to get out there.
More anxiolytic than anything else for me. But not having a heart attack is also good news. Unless widowmaker.

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I’m not running any longer. Huge part of my life for a very long time.

Instead, I do 50 flight sprints on a StairMaster a few times per week. The type that actually has stairs on it. It’s awful.

Edit - I should add there’s ZERO chance any of my pts would run unless a lion is chasing them. Cultural reasons.
 
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Study from 2014. Does not discuss pain, but even running 2x a week for 10 minutes at 10 min pace saves lives.
Dangle those Percs on a stick in front of the patient and get people moving....

I was getting motivated for half marathon training this AM with a 10.5 mi run starting soon. Came across this as a reason to get out there.
More anxiolytic than anything else for me. But not having a heart attack is also good news. Unless widowmaker.
What’s up with the U shaped curves? If you run too much or too fast your CV risk actually goes back up? Don’t over do it Steve
 
What’s up with the U shaped curves? If you run too much or too fast your CV risk actually goes back up? Don’t over do it Steve
I am old and too afraid to hurt my knee again. 2 years of running I will never get back. Just doing nice slow 1/2 marathon training. Cushioned deck on my Landice L8 does well.
 
I quit running after my neck injury. Now all I do for cardio is elliptical, stair stepper and sauna
 
I quit running after my neck injury. Now all I do for cardio is elliptical, stair stepper and sauna
We all learn the hard way. I used to be a gym rat… combination of several related injuries and loss of free time with kids… I hadn’t worked out in five years. Just got a home gym. Has been fing great. Lifting like an old man, mostly cable work, nothing to failure, and elliptical. More energy, sleep better, less cranky.
 
I exercise to control anxiety and mood. If I can hit the nail on the head with sleep and exercise, the day is brighter, people are nicer, and I am a better doc.

But it takes constant effort and commitment to get it right. When exercising, exercise is the ONLY thing that matters. When getting ready to sleep, nothing else in the world matters.
 
We all learn the hard way. I used to be a gym rat… combination of several related injuries and loss of free time with kids… I hadn’t worked out in five years. Just got a home gym. Has been fing great. Lifting like an old man, mostly cable work, nothing to failure, and elliptical. More energy, sleep better, less cranky.
go idea to do a home gym. When you say cables, etc, do you buy a specific machine, or just a combination of free weights and some kind cable machine?
 
go idea to do a home gym. When you say cables, etc, do you buy a specific machine, or just a combination of free weights and some kind cable machine?
“Functional trainer” - an all in one unit with adjustable cables at several heights, widths and built in smith machine. Several on the market in that category
 
You can also get some cheap resistance bands with a door anchor and get a lot out of it. I have that, a PowerBlock with bench, and a pull up bar. That does a good enough chunk of my former gym workout before kids sucked all time away. Plus an elliptical and the occasional pick up basketball night for cardio.
 
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I’m still running. 30 miles a week

Slowing down tho from a pace perspective.
 
I’m not running any longer. Huge part of my life for a very long time.

Instead, I do 50 flight sprints on a StairMaster a few times per week. The type that actually has stairs on it. It’s awful.

Edit - I should add there’s ZERO chance any of my pts would run unless a lion is chasing them. Cultural reasons.
How long do these 50 flights typically take you? Do you do them all at once with no rest? Seems like a solid workout
 
I can’t even get my patients to WATCH videos on how to do yoga. We aren’t talking about doing. We are talking about watching.

No chance they lace ‘em up..
 
How long do these 50 flights typically take you? Do you do them all at once with no rest? Seems like a solid workout
My fastest is 5:38, but I usually do 6:10 or so. I think 5:38 is around 440 Watts or so.
 
Tennis FTW.


Correlation =/= causation. Tennis is a highly aerobic sport that only permits people with +9.7y lifespans.
 
Correlation =/= causation. Tennis is a highly aerobic sport that only permits people with +9.7y lifespans.
Sure, I play tennis so that's why I posted.

But it does offer a lot though that running or other sports may not. There is a large degree of lateral and backward movement which helps with balance and proprioception - makes people more fall and trip resistant. It is also a full body workout - arms, legs, torso. There is improvement in hand-eye coordination, a social component, and people can play well into retirement, or switch to pickleball.
 
Sure, I play tennis so that's why I posted.

But it does offer a lot though that running or other sports may not. There is a large degree of lateral and backward movement which helps with balance and proprioception - makes people more fall and trip resistant. It is also a full body workout - arms, legs, torso. There is improvement in hand-eye coordination, a social component, and people can play well into retirement, or switch to pickleball.
It's a fantastic workout, no doubt. But I've had major ankle injury with complete tears in atfl and CFL. Shouldn't I avoid it?
 
Sure, I play tennis so that's why I posted.

But it does offer a lot though that running or other sports may not. There is a large degree of lateral and backward movement which helps with balance and proprioception - makes people more fall and trip resistant. It is also a full body workout - arms, legs, torso. There is improvement in hand-eye coordination, a social component, and people can play well into retirement, or switch to pickleball.

Not disagreeing with you. I was the captain of my high school tennis team.

But, the amount of injuries I see from pickleball is very high in the Medicare age group.
 
Not disagreeing with you. I was the captain of my high school tennis team.

But, the amount of injuries I see from pickleball is very high in the Medicare age group.
Pickleball has been very good for my kypho numbers.
 
Pickleball has been very good for my kypho numbers.
Pickleball has done nothing more for me but question disc disease vs facetogenic pain in various patters..and then oh yeah, trial some shots of variable efficacy…so basically it just added to my Medicare clinic volume and did nothing else 🤷🏽
 
Pickleball has done nothing more for me but question disc disease vs facetogenic pain in various patters..and then oh yeah, trial some shots of variable efficacy…so basically it just added to my Medicare clinic volume and did nothing else 🤷🏽

I have a significant cohort of medicare age patients who have minimal pain in aspects of life .....(if they simply don't play pickle ball), but if they play pickle ball regularly, then they complain of various pains that are not relieved with PT, CSI, or even RFA.

So I then do the obvious and tell them they simply need to stop playing pickle ball if they don't want to be limited by pain in the other aspects of their life.

Then these octogenarians look at me like I have two heads, when I politely tell them that in their 80s they can't just do whatever the hell they want to do physically without then suffering the consequences.
 
Agree totally, but here’s the challenge…these are the type of people who we actually want to see back…active old people with jacked spines that may benefit from intervention over time. I don’t personally have the luxury where I live to tell people that they are old as **** and they have exceeded their life expectancy, even though I want to say it everyday all the time.

So picklers are valuable to me despite their idiocy
 
Agree totally, but here’s the challenge…these are the type of people who we actually want to see back…active old people with jacked spines that may benefit from intervention over time. I don’t personally have the luxury where I live to tell people that they are old as **** and they have exceeded their life expectancy, even though I want to say it everyday all the time.

So picklers are valuable to me despite their idiocy

I agree regarding the ones with facet pain that benefit from RFA, or that have moderate symptomatic stenosis.

However, I see quite a few of these with diffuse DDD, no focal modic changes, and no consistent radiculopathy. Beyond PT, weight loss, and abstaining from pickleball, there are no treatments for them.

At least once a month I will see an elderly patient who doesn’t play pickleball but will tell me either of these two histories.

1- their back really hurts for the first 20 minutes of the day, but otherwise they are fine all day and all night, (and they have an updated mattress, have tried sleeping with body pillow)
2- they will have significant axial only spine pain for a day, then they’re fine for 2 weeks, then hurt for 1-2 days, then fine for two weeks. (And they can’t remember or describe doing any particular new or different activity the day before they hurt significantly for those 1-2 days

Those patients I do tell (politely) that they are just old, end of story, and this is normal life in someone’s 80s or 90s.

Sometimes the most important things we can do as physicians are to
1 reassure patients when they have nothing seriously wrong, and
2- politely hint they should “buck up” when they are just being whiny.
 
Tom Brady supposedly only did bands. He might know a thing or 2 about it.
 
I used to be a runner but my right knee has been giving me patellofemoral issues for years that sabotage a good rhythm. Two months ago I was barely hitting the gym at all and came up with the brilliant idea to do lots of air squats every day. I got up to 140 in a set, twice a day. I was going for 500. Then I was on a trip all relaxed and without the distraction of work- I decided to hit the gym for some running, plus steep uphill walking, and backward uphills for the eccentrics. I had done this in the past no problem at 15%, but this treadmill went pretty steep and I think I set it to 18%. Then I took a walk to the mall and sat down for a latte and croissant. Life was good. Then I go to get up and my knee feels strange. I take a step and... something's catching near the top of the patella when I extend. Very disconcerting. Has the feeling that a good pinch would freakin kill. That was about 6 weeks ago now. Not getting better on its own yet. PM&R friend took a look and agreed it's probably fat pad irritation and swelling combined with baseline patella tracking issues. I'm going to try a week of NSAIDs, plus a j-lat whenever I exercise. Since COVID I gained 15-20 lbs (coinciding with going from age 45-49). Maybe losing weight all over will help trim the fat pad down.
 
I used to be a runner but my right knee has been giving me patellofemoral issues for years that sabotage a good rhythm. Two months ago I was barely hitting the gym at all and came up with the brilliant idea to do lots of air squats every day. I got up to 140 in a set, twice a day. I was going for 500. Then I was on a trip all relaxed and without the distraction of work- I decided to hit the gym for some running, plus steep uphill walking, and backward uphills for the eccentrics. I had done this in the past no problem at 15%, but this treadmill went pretty steep and I think I set it to 18%. Then I took a walk to the mall and sat down for a latte and croissant. Life was good. Then I go to get up and my knee feels strange. I take a step and... something's catching near the top of the patella when I extend. Very disconcerting. Has the feeling that a good pinch would freakin kill. That was about 6 weeks ago now. Not getting better on its own yet. PM&R friend took a look and agreed it's probably fat pad irritation and swelling combined with baseline patella tracking issues. I'm going to try a week of NSAIDs, plus a j-lat whenever I exercise. Since COVID I gained 15-20 lbs (coinciding with going from age 45-49). Maybe losing weight all over will help trim the fat pad down.

Walking uphill backwards with a steep incline is essentially like squatting with a very elevated heel. It distributes a ton of stress towards the patellar tendon and can irritate/piss it off for a while
 
One of my favorite exercises is walking up stairs. But I despise stationary machines so I walk up the stairwell of my condo, 42 floors, elevator down, and repeat 4-5x.

It's practically zero impact and a great workout.
I do this as well. Not in a condo but same idea
 
I do this as well. Not in a condo but same idea
What constantly vexes me is that, whatever I do, it has to be MORE than before. If I run 3 miles a day, I feel great for about a week. Then it's gotta be 4 or 5. And god forbid if I go back to 1 mile or skip a day, I feel like garbage.

It has the hallmarks of tolerance and dose escalation...

I'm trying to employ cross training, which I guess is like opioid rotation. Sigh...
 
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