Rxn of Allyl Bromide w/ an Aldehyde

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Hello,
I have a reaction question about allyl bromide with an aldehyde using an indium intermediate. I have been :bang: for a while.
What is the product from:

3-bromopropene + o-chlorobenzaldehyde ---Indium, H2O----> Product

Thanks
 
Hello,
I have a reaction question about allyl bromide with an aldehyde using an indium intermediate. I have been :bang: for a while.
What is the product from:

3-bromopropene + o-chlorobenzaldehyde ---Indium, H2O----> Product

Thanks

wouldn't you just get 2dary alcohol instead of aldehyde, now attached to the propene where the Br was?! 😕 (probably not, unless Indium is some sort of a catalyst, idk what to do with it!! lol) was it on a practice passage?!
 
Sorry, I just read the sticky about this forum. You got me, its a lab problem from Orgo 2. I guess I'll try paying an "expert" 3$ on cramster. I thought it was a Ph group then an alcohol and an alkene on the end but the NMR and IR would tell otherwise. I could have messed up the experiment prior to the spec analyses though.

I'll be back here in this forum in the coming months when I'm reviewing my TBR and EK for the April MCAT. Thanks for the help.
 
Hello,
I have a reaction question about allyl bromide with an aldehyde using an indium intermediate. I have been :bang: for a while.
What is the product from:

3-bromopropene + o-chlorobenzaldehyde ---Indium, H2O----> Product

Thanks
I'll start with some background.
The reason you are using Indium & water together is due to the avoidance of performing the experiment in an inert atmosphere. Back in the day people used Indium with the aprotic solvent DMF for indium-mediated allyl reactions. With the use of water (instead of DMF), no inert atmosphere or other dry solvents were required (which is why "probably" you are performing the experiment in an open atmosphere).
Indium is in fact a good choice for this experiment because it has a lower ionization potential and energy than most metals used in organic chemistry experiments such as magnesium, zinc, etc. It is also unaffected by the boiling point of water during the experiment, since indium's boiling point is around 2000 degrees C.
With the use of indium, you form a transient organoindium intermediate which drives the reaction further.

As an end product
, alkene will still be present and the carbonyl of the benzaldehyde will turn into an alcohol. Keep in mind that alkene carbons do not attack the carbonyl carbon. In 3-bromopropene, carbon #3 is attached to Br. In the product, that carbon #3 will make a new bond with the carbonyl carbon of the benzaldehyde, and you will end up with an alcohol.
So the product will have both an alcohol and an alkene. Br goes somewhere, but I don't know where.

I'm assuming indium makes a bond with Br to make a InBr-propene...I got this assumption from the fact that Mg makes a bond with a halide in a Grignard reaction to make a MgX-R to make the R group act as a nucleophile and MgX is released, where X is a halide.

Hope that helped a little.
 
WOW!!!

Thank you so much EPO! I wonder if this is in fact MCAT-worthy then. You make it sound like the whole reaction is analogous to a typical Grignard, without the annoying requirement of total dryness (because this creates a carbanion-like intermediate without simultaneously being a ridiculously strong base). To finish the reaction, I imagine after the carbonyl gets attacked the alkoxide steals a proton from the water solvent, and the remaining OH- cavorts with the InBr+ to create an InBrOH salt. Indium, like magnesium, is pretty happy as a +2 ion.

The complete list of MCAT-worthy organic reactions can be found here:

https://www.aamc.org/students/download/85566/data/bstopics.pdf

and this reaction would be classified as

OXYGEN-CONTAINING COMPOUNDS
B. Aldehydes and Ketones
2. Important reactions
e. organometallic reagents
 
WOW!!!

Thank you so much EPO! I wonder if this is in fact MCAT-worthy then. You make it sound like the whole reaction is analogous to a typical Grignard, without the annoying requirement of total dryness (because this creates a carbanion-like intermediate without simultaneously being a ridiculously strong base). To finish the reaction, I imagine after the carbonyl gets attacked the alkoxide steals a proton from the water solvent, and the remaining OH- cavorts with the InBr+ to create an InBrOH salt. Indium, like magnesium, is pretty happy as a +2 ion.

The complete list of MCAT-worthy organic reactions can be found here:

https://www.aamc.org/students/download/85566/data/bstopics.pdf

and this reaction would be classified as

OXYGEN-CONTAINING COMPOUNDS
B. Aldehydes and Ketones
2. Important reactions
e. organometallic reagents

Hey MT,
I was thinking the same thing about InBrOH salt until I wrote out the electron configuration for In which is [Kr]5s2 4d10 5p1
Wouldn't In+2 be unstable since it will disrupt the filled octet? Because I thought In+1 would be the most stable configuration since it will lose that one electron from 5p and become a full octet (hence the 1st ionization energy is 558 kJ/mol the 2nd ion. energy is 1820 kJ/mol).
I guess the question becomes, does Indium lose electrons from the 5s level to become an ion or the 5p level?
 
Hey MT,
I was thinking the same thing about InBrOH salt until I wrote out the electron configuration for In which is [Kr]5s2 4d10 5p1
Wouldn't In+2 be unstable since it will disrupt the filled octet? Because I thought In+1 would be the most stable configuration since it will lose that one electron from 5p and become a full octet (hence the 1st ionization energy is 558 kJ/mol the 2nd ion. energy is 1820 kJ/mol).
I guess the question becomes, does Indium lose electrons from the 5s level to become an ion or the 5p level?
Taken from wikipedia (the electronic configuarion looks weird, but it is an artifact of copy/paste):

"Indium atom has 49 electrons, having electronic configuration [Kr]4d105s25p1. In its compounds, indium most often loses its three outermost electrons, becoming indium(III) ions, In3+, but in some cases the pair of 5s-electrons can stay within the atom, indium thus oxidized only to indium(I), In+. This happens due to inert pair effect, which occurs because of stabilization of 5s-orbital due to relativistic effects, which are stronger closer to the bottom of the periodic table. Its heavier..."
 
Taken from wikipedia (the electronic configuarion looks weird, but it is an artifact of copy/paste):

"Indium atom has 49 electrons, having electronic configuration [Kr]4d105s25p1. In its compounds, indium most often loses its three outermost electrons, becoming indium(III) ions, In3+, but in some cases the pair of 5s-electrons can stay within the atom, indium thus oxidized only to indium(I), In+. This happens due to inert pair effect, which occurs because of stabilization of 5s-orbital due to relativistic effects, which are stronger closer to the bottom of the periodic table. Its heavier..."

Thanks. I guess since 5p is larger than 5s, it loses the electron from 5p first...But that still doesn't answer the question. When 5p1 is lost, all that remains is a filled [Kr] 5s2 4d10, which is the stable configuration for In+1 ion. I'm asking why would indium lose another electron to disrupt its stability to become In+2 ion

(In+3 would still be stable because In+3 configuration is still a filled octet with [Kr]4d10)
 
Thanks. I guess since 5p is larger than 5s, it loses the electron from 5p first...But that still doesn't answer the question. When 5p1 is lost, all that remains is a filled [Kr] 5s2 4d10, which is the stable configuration for In+1 ion. I'm asking why would indium lose another electron to disrupt its stability to become In+2 ion

(In+3 would still be stable because In+3 configuration is still a filled octet with [Kr]4d10)
maybe indium (I) bromide (lnBr) does not associate with OH, as it isn't lnBr+......or maybe im just totally wrong
 
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Yeah, we are way above my pay grade here. I saw a few references to In2+ in the electrode potentials and at the end of the "chemical properties" section of the wiki page, and kind of ran with it. I honestly have no idea what I'm talking about 🙂
 
Yeah this is way beyond the scope of MCAT, but still worth looking at since it is listed under the organometallic topic you were talking about.
 
If it was covered in your orgo class, you might recall organocuprates acting like a Grignard reagent, except they do 1,4-addition rather than attacking the carbonyl. The cuprate is R2Cu-Li+. So be careful not to assume the indium species parallels the magnesium reaction. It could be a case of R2In+ complexed by an anion or R2In- complexed by a cation. The metal in an organometallic reaction is free to carry other oxidation states than +2.
 
If it was covered in your orgo class, you might recall organocuprates acting like a Grignard reagent, except they do 1,4-addition rather than attacking the carbonyl. The cuprate is R2Cu-Li+. So be careful not to assume the indium species parallels the magnesium reaction. It could be a case of R2In+ complexed by an anion or R2In- complexed by a cation. The metal in an organometallic reaction is free to carry other oxidation states than +2.

Yeah I was assuming they acted like magnesium but I guess they don't. However, I saw a figure on a published article that indium mediated alkyl bromide and an aldehyde, and it explained a detailed mechanism of how the alkyl bromide attacked the carbonyl, and the alkene was still the end product. But you're right, it's a good idea to get an idea of how each metals induce the reaction and whether they prefer 1,2 or 1,4 addition, etc.
 
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