Safety schools for California residents!?!?

[Mariko]

Can anyone shed some light on which schools may be appropriate saftey schools for a CA resident?? 😕

I'm working on my list for AMCAS.... applying for 2008 entry.

Thanks!!! 😀

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[YupGypsy]

Texas

 

[photo_girl07]

Can anyone shed some light on which schools may be appropriate saftey schools for a CA resident?? 😕

I'm working on my list for AMCAS.... applying for 2008 entry.

Thanks!!! 😀

Purchase the MSAR (and look through individual schools). There really is no such thing as a "safety." Most school looks for different qualities in applicants. But the MSAR will give you an idea about the schools median (not mean) MCAT and GPA. Also, the number of applicants interviewed from in-state and out-state.

Go from there...glck

 

[Mariko]

have the MSAR... based on statistics alone it just feels like it's hardly worth the time and money to apply to out of state public schools.

And I realize that there are no real "safety" schools, but there is still a difference between Ross and UCSF.

I guess I was just wondering what CA applicants personal experiences and thoughts were on this.

Thanks

 

[swtiepie711]

I guess I was just wondering what CA applicants personal experiences and thoughts were on this.

Well, first thing (as you may have noticed) - I believe Nevada, Washington & Arizona restrict their applicants to state-residents (or neighboring counties, in the case of Nevada). So right there - hopes of staying out West shrink a little.... but this all depends on your numbers, ECs, writing abilities (PS & Secondary Essays), LORs, interviewing abilities, etc......

Since CA has competitive schools & I didn't know my MCAT at the time of submitting my application, I applied broadly. By broadly, I mean across the US and in caliber (which a hot topic on the boards, US News rankings and such are arguably (in)valuable).

A note about Loma Linda (a private school in Southern CA): when you get the secondary you have to agree to not drink/smoke/do drugs and to attend weekly 7th Day Adventist church services. I was not a fan of this. I think if you're 7th Day Adventist or Christian you might have a higher acceptance rate here (I think?), though they state that the accept pp from other religions (for diversity sake). Depends on whether the school's your cup of tea.

Other than that, I applied to all schools in CA, some schools elsewhere where I have family (which is important to me). I didn't have to much success with "state" schools (Wait, scratch that - I don't think I applied to any non-CA public/state schools? hm....) But I have had luck with some out-of-state schools private schools (as well as Cali schools). So I guess a lot of this is riding on you - like I said above - #s, ECs, etc.

Sorry - my post wasn't too helpful... let me know if there's anything specifically you need help with/thoughts on 🙂

GL next year!

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Think NYMC (UC Valhalla), Drexel, Temple, RFU, etc...
These are the places that my friends who didn't get in state went.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Any state you have ties to will give you a decent shot at their schools (with exception to Arizona and Texas - Arizona absolutley will not look at out of state residents and Texas is pretty stickler about keeping to instaters).

New York state schools don't give preference to residents, so they're a really good shot. Other than that find some private schools that have numbers similar or below yours and programs which appeal to you.

 

[swtiepie711]

Any state you have ties to will give you a decent shot at their schools (with exception to Arizona and Texas - Arizona absolutley will not look at out of state residents and Texas is pretty stickler about keeping to instaters).

I think ties are KEY. Most of my OOS interviews asked me "Why this city/state/region?" (not always so blatently, but it come up). In fact, at one of my interviews - my interviewer flat out told me, "Great app... the only problem is that you're from CA." I think CA has a stigma b/c applicants here apply broadly in case they don't get into a CA school and then often accept lower ranked CA schools in place of higher ranked non-CA schools (at least this is what I have been told be interviewers, admissions staff, etc.). So it seemed to be a battle to explain why you really want to go somewhere and ties to the region (family, etc.) are a BIG help.

 

[applyingsucks]

NYMC, I think their class is 30-40% cal residents. They have this love affair with Cal students. I interviewed there last week and half the students were from the westcoast, I guess its everyones safety school they have over 10K applying this year.

 

[Mariko]

thanks for all the great responses, everyone!!!
🙂

 

[YupGypsy]

I thought Texas loves Californians

 

[thedelicatessen]

If you're set on staying in CA, maybe go D. O. (e. g. Western Medical). Otherwise, the schools already mentioned are a good alternative.

 

[fugazism]

opppsss....double postage

 

[fugazism]

there ain't much safe about applying from CA except it being a safe bet to be financially draining

 

[alwaysaangel]

I thought Texas loves Californians

I could be wrong, but I heard they were very closed to out of staters, and their stats in MSAR support this pretty well.

 

[Sartre79]

I've heard that Creighton is called U of Ca at Creighton.

 

[UCLAstudent]

I could be wrong, but I heard they were very closed to out of staters, and their stats in MSAR support this pretty well.

This is true.

 

[tacrum43]

I could be wrong, but I heard they were very closed to out of staters, and their stats in MSAR support this pretty well.

Yep, Texas public schools have to take 90% in-state by law, so that's makes it tought for out of state.

OP, there is no such thing as a "safety school" for Californians. But generally, as others have mentioned, private schools tend to care much less about state residency. Personally, I found the schools in Virginia to be pretty welcoming to out of staters. Basically, you're gonna have to head East.

 

[honker]

As I have said before, all Cali residents should apply to schools assuming they will not get into the UC schools. Cali produces many more med school hopefuls than available seats for first year med students. If I recall, typically the state of California will have over 4,000 applicants to med schools, with the entire University of California system able to accomodate only about 700 each year. A percentage of the available places will be taken by OOS students (UCLA and UCSF typically have the highest percentage of OOS matriculants).
With this in mind, one should focus on private schools across the country to improve the odds of admission. It is best to focus on schools that do not have a geographic bias. Some private schools get some state support and are obligated to take a percentage of applicants from that state, so be sure to check into these before applying.
Also, some schools like to take Cali students because they have had a good track record with previous matriculants from the state. I would recommend that any Cali resident applying to med school check to see where applicants from their institution got into schools out of the state of California to see if there is a pattern. You may see certain med schools taking applicants from your institution pretty reliably. For example, the UC undergrad school I went to had a good track record getting students into Med Col of Wisconsin, St. Louis U., Creighton, Baylor, Wash U, and Emory. Applying to schools where prior applicants got in from your institution can help.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Any Cali residents wish they could renounce residency and get state residency elsewhere?? I'll take AZ please.

 

[MedvacMoney]

Any Cali residents wish they could renounce residency and get state residency elsewhere?? I'll take AZ please.

No way. I have been accepted here and if i took another states residency i would have to pay OOS tuition to stay in california...Think before you speak..😴

 

[alwaysaangel]

No way. I have been accepted here and if i took another states residency i would have to pay OOS tuition to stay in california...Think before you speak..😴

Really? You mean at UCSF?? Which hasn't released any acceptances yet. I knew you were an elaborate troll. Ever since that whole "help me with my weaknesses thing." No one could be that dumb.

 

[fugazism]

Really? You mean at UCSF?? Which hasn't released any acceptances yet. I knew you were an elaborate troll. Ever since that whole "help me with my weaknesses thing." No one could be that dumb.

dude your troll accusing is outta control, this isn't salem, MA circa 1692...

 

[alwaysaangel]

dude your troll accusing is outta control, this isn't salem, MA circa 1692...

No - but it is a premed forum where people like to **** with the naive premeds. When they start spouting blatant lies that even their own sigs prove false they are trolls.

I have never seen the MedVac guy post anything useful, read his early stuff especialy - VERY trollish behavior. When they start randomly proclaiming false acceptances they're definitely trolls.

If you want to think its out of control feel free - but I have yet to be wrong.

 

[instigata]

dude your troll accusing is outta control, this isn't salem, MA circa 1692...

apparently you haven't read medvacmoney's earlier posts

 

[MadHopsMD]

Can anyone shed some light on which schools may be appropriate saftey schools for a CA resident?? 😕

I'm working on my list for AMCAS.... applying for 2008 entry.

Thanks!!! 😀

RFU. As you know RFU use to be called officially CMS (Chicago medical school). But since majority of their class was from Cali they had to change the name b/c ppl mistook it for 'California medical School' 😀

 

[BigRedPremed]

Any Cali residents wish they could renounce residency and get state residency elsewhere?? I'll take AZ please.

California is tough for borderline applicants who depend of their state medical school for an acceptance. But I think if you're an upper-end applicant (3.7+ GPA, 35+ MCAT), California is a great place to have residency. You still have access to the best public med school system in the country while your stats are good enough to assure you a place at an out-of-state med school in case you don't get in anywhere in CA.

 

[fugazism]

If you want to think its out of control feel free - but I have yet to be wrong.

oh sorry, i thought it was just based on that one post. my apologies

 

[YupGypsy]

I could be wrong, but I heard they were very closed to out of staters, and their stats in MSAR support this pretty well.

statement like this = troll

 

[HumbleMD]

For example, the UC undergrad school I went to had a good track record getting students into Med Col of Wisconsin, St. Louis U., Creighton, Baylor, Wash U, and Emory. Applying to schools where prior applicants got in from your institution can help.

Wow, I guess I never thought of Emory, Baylor, and WashU as safety schools. Ouch, my ego just got bruised.

 

[CardiacIntensivist]

New York state schools don't give preference to residents, so they're a really good shot. Other than that find some private schools that have numbers similar or below yours and programs which appeal to you.

Are your trying to say
New York State's schools or
New York's state schools (SUNY)?

because the SUNY system has a majority in instaters, especially Stony Brook.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Are your trying to say
New York State's schools or
New York's state schools (SUNY)?

because the SUNY system has a majority in instaters, especially Stony Brook.

I was saying SUNY - of course they have a majority of instaters - more instaters apply. But if you look at their webpages (at least several of them I looked at) they state that they give no official preference to in state residents.

 

[honker]

Wow, I guess I never thought of Emory, Baylor, and WashU as safety schools. Ouch, my ego just got bruised.

I am not saying these are safety schools. The idea of a "safety school" is stupid for the majority of med school applicants. Unless you are a truly great applicant, there is no such thing as a safety school, because acceptance to any allopathic school is a reach for many med school hopefuls.
I can guarantee you that it is easier for an applicant to get into the schools I listed above than a UC med school. This is particularly true of UCLA and UCSF. The only exception is Wash U. Back in the stone age when I was a premed, Wash U wasn't nearly so desirable as it is today with the advent of US News rankings, thus it wasn't as difficult to gain acceptance back then.

 

[future_dr_house]

I thought Texas loves Californians

i've seen more CA applicants than other states, but TX schools are required by law to allow at max 10% OOS students which is still decent 100-150 spots go to OOS

 

[MedvacMoney]

apparently you haven't read medvacmoney's earlier posts

Thanks for the support....if you read his earlier posts, he calls like 2-3 people trolls every month and continues to harrass them....(me thinks he is the troll).....either that or VERY jealous of me.

 

[MedvacMoney]

statement like this = troll

Yup, I think he is a TROLL too!

.......they say not to feed the trolls...
.........................................so dont feed ALWAYSANGEL!

 

[instigata]

Thanks for the support....if you read his earlier posts, he calls like 2-3 people trolls every month and continues to harrass them....(me thinks he is the troll).....either that or VERY jealous of me.

Apparently you don't remember this thread...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=342380

and if that wasn't enough, you were very determined and made this thread within an hour of the last...
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=342389

hope you found those weaknesses

 

[FenderHM]

its even harder for people from Colorado than Cali.... (based on acceptance rates by state of residence on AAMC)

 

[Cirrus83]

I was saying SUNY - of course they have a majority of instaters - more instaters apply. But if you look at their webpages (at least several of them I looked at) they state that they give no official preference to in state residents.

Maybe some of the SUNYs (I think upstate doesn't give preference from what I've read here on SDN), but I'm fairly certain Downstate definitely cares.

Just look at the secondary. Maybe it's not an "official" thing, but unless you have some really really good reason why you wanna go to medical school in NYC, it's gonna be hard to answer that question as an out of stater.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Maybe some of the SUNYs (I think upstate doesn't give preference from what I've read here on SDN), but I'm fairly certain Downstate definitely cares.

Just look at the secondary. Maybe it's not an "official" thing, but unless you have some really really good reason why you wanna go to medical school in NYC, it's gonna be hard to answer that question as an out of stater.

I think it must be the official thing then. Because I remember my first cut when choosing medical schools was cutting all schools that gave "strong preference" to instate residents. None of the SUNYs did (officially). And I don't know what the secondary question you're referring to was - I withdrew from downstate pre-secondary. But if its "why SUNY Downstate?" Thats really not hard to answer at all. "I want to come to the east coast and experience the different lifestyle out here. I applied here because you are open to out of staters, and I liked x, y, z about your program. Its really not that hard to convince schools that you have good reasons to want to attend their program. I always have actually wanted to, maybe thats why I don't have a hard time with it?

Anyway, you may be right - perhaps unofficially downstate gives preference to instate. But in general, I would encourage Cali applicants to apply to all SUNYs as long as you can think of several legitimate, convincing reasons why you would like to be in New York.

 

[hye345]

To all of you who are wondering which med schools are OOS-friendly: I come bearing gifts 😀

http://www.medschoolready.com/app/medstatistics.asp

Your welcome 😉

 

[cal_girl]

I totally agree with the previous posts... it totally depends on your stats...

But here is the school list ... it's where my friends or me got interviews / accepted.

MCW
SUNY UPSTATE & DOWNSTATE
PENN STATE
TEMPLE
DREXEL
TOLEDO (MCO)
ROSALIND FRANKLIN
U OF IL
UVM

Best of luck!

 

[maygrl110]

Definitely give MCW a shot...I work here and know a lot of the students from OOS are from CA or Utah...I find that this is a trend at a lot of schools with OOS students! 100 out of the 200 enrolled students here are from OOS...they accept 400 out of the 600 people they interview.