salary resource for psych (forensic psych, CAP, general psych, etc.)

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This is a free salary resource for psychiatry and is crowdsourced from practicing psychiatrists. The full data and insights are available.
  • Forensic Psychiatry: the median is $449K, with the 90th percentile at $523K.
  • State Pay Differences: CA pays the highest at $400K median and $610K at the 90th percentile. TX appears lower, with a median of $292K.
  • Tele-psychiatry: Those practicing predominantly tele-psychiatry earn about $20K less at the median.
  • Inpatient vs. Outpatient: Inpatient-only psychiatrists earn ~20% more than outpatient-only.
  • 1099 Hourly Pay: Median: $245/hr; Average: $315/hr; Max: $650/hr


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Not entirely clear to me whether the stats for part time work are adjusting to 1.0 FTE equivalent. Data makes our job offerings look particularly good. Which I think is actually a little curious, since we get paid basically median of a couple of the big proprietary salary surveys and usually these self-report surveys overrepresent higher earners.
 
There is a filter for full time vs. part time (left panel). This is the screenshot for part-time. On the bottom left corner, it has the avg. number of hours/week as well as % FTE for those reporting them working part-time.
 

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It's not clear to me that this website verifies in any way that you're actually who you say you are....so any random person could input data for any random speciality in there.

I get you overall want it to be anonymous but having some even minimal level of backend identity verification or something would make more sense.
 
There is a filter for full time vs. part time (left panel). This is the screenshot for part-time. On the bottom left corner, it has the avg. number of hours/week as well as % FTE for those reporting them working part-time.
Right, but are the part time salary numbers adjusted to 1.0 FTE equivalent? They're very similar to the full time numbers, which is suspect otherwise.
 
The average 1099 rate of 315 seems really high. I rarely see anything over 250/hr offered from recruiters or posted on job boards. I can't imagine the AVERAGE is that high.
 
In my experience, the higher paying 1099 opportunities are filled through word of mouth rather than being advertised. There is no need to pay job boards to post a position that pays well (those tend to be taken very quickly and a lot of times don't even get posted at all). Speaking of why the average is higher than the median. The max based on this sample size is $650, which is likely med-legal 1099 (not clinical). That pulled the average up. The median is around $250/hour though.
 
There are many datasets for salaries. Only a select few are listed above. I’ve seen many that still have us averaging FT $200K. The ranges are all over the place. Psychiatry salaries are extremely wide and averages are mostly worthless numbers as they can’t normalize everything we do. There are also many factors that influence numbers. If the requests for salary figures focused on academia and public health type jobs, you could easily find our average being $220K. I met someone that is working FT in psych for $160K still. This person doesn’t “need” more money and so hasn’t asked for more.

If the poll focused only on private practice psych, what all can be included and what is 1 FTE?

Let’s take me. I own a couple clinics that include hiring other clinical staff. I get a salary and distributions that all hits my taxes. Does the poll tell me to exclude distributions and account for how I decide what % is distributions? No. I also hold other PT jobs. Those PT jobs are performed when I have no-shows. It isn’t extra hours added on at the end of the day. How is that accounted for in deciding my FTE? Do I get to combine income from patients that show, no-show fee, other staff, and PT gig income in an hourly rate? If you ask me to include/exclude some of those numbers via different formulas, I guarantee you that I’m just guessing for any salary poll.

I’ve also met psychiatrists that hold 2 FT salary jobs and complete both between the hours of 8-5. They are high efficiency people. Let’s not debate the quality here as it isn’t the purpose of the post. How are we accounting for this? Some include call bonuses and other things that add extra hours and waking up at night.

How are they asking these salary questions? How are they verifying numbers? Usually they don’t verify anything. It becomes a random stab in the dark. Some fear it isn’t randomized, so they report higher to not make themselves appear too low.

Our specialty is in a unique position. The variety of positions, extra income, volume, call, etc is very high. Unless you can specify all of the requests of a particular job, I’d argue that an accurate average salary for psych is a range of $200k-$600K depending on what you are being asked to do. Anything more focused is worthless details.
 
From my perspective, the MGMA is the best data for non-academic salaries. It provides salary contextualized with RVUs, PTO days, Bonuses, etc.

If salary is disconnected from RVU, it makes it hard especially in psych to make sense of it. Salary of 250k can be great and salary of 400k can bea completely terrible depending on so many factors. Other specialties really don't have this kind of extreme variance.

I think most psychiatrists also barely work, which also skews the data. A 1 FTE doesn't even seem like the norm. Most are working a gig and a half, or just half a gig. .7 gig is also more popular in psych.
 
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