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I was wondering if medical schools care where you got your bachelors. Would a student from U.C. Berkeley have a higher chance of getting accepted to a medical school compared to a student from U.C. Davis?
 
I was wondering if medical schools care where you got your bachelors. Would a student from U.C. Berkeley have a higher chance of getting accepted to a medical school compared to a student from U.C. Davis?

A 3.7 at Davis would be taken over a 3.5 at UCB.

A 3.7 with a 33 on the MCAT would be taken over a 3.7 with a 30 on the MCAT at UCB.

Why am I wasting my breath?

Real Answer: No, they would not have a higher chance. The difference between Berkeley and Davis is tiny to medical schools.
 
A 3.7 at Davis would be taken over a 3.5 at UCB.

A 3.7 with a 33 on the MCAT would be taken over a 3.7 with a 30 on the MCAT at UCB.

Why am I wasting my breath?

Real Answer: No, they would not have a higher chance. The difference between Berkeley and Davis is tiny to medical schools.

Thank you for the quick reply. What would you say about getting a bachelors in "Biochemistry and Molecular Biology"? Is it a decent major to prepare you for the MCAT and medical school in general?
 
I was wondering if medical schools care where you got your bachelors. Would a student from U.C. Berkeley have a higher chance of getting accepted to a medical school compared to a student from U.C. Davis?


IMO, the reason people think so highly of the prestige factor is because they worked so hard in college to get into that public ivy/ivy...shouldn't they be rewarded for it...well they are...they likely have more motivated classmates and more resources should they choose to take advantage of them. They may also have more interesting and engaging professors with a diverse range of experiences as to pre-arranged online lectures (stereotype).

I am not familiar with this particular UC case but it has been asked many times here. I'll try to answer still:

It depends. In most cases, a top 30 school vs. a top 70 school...no difference really. A "prestigious school" vs. Michigan State? Maybe.

Here's one example where prestige applies:

The UMich Admissions team gives 36+ (38 OOS) and 3.8+ students automatic interviews granted they're from a "prestigious university (like UMich or other public ivies). An MSU student does not get this opportunity if they have the same stats (not because of the rivalry lol)


Here's one example where it does not apply:

GPA is relatively easier to attain at Oakland University than at the University of Michigan. While applying to Wayne State University the UMich gpa will be valued equally to the OU gpa for the most part...especially if it's low...(3.4 and below). My good friend had a 3.4 sGPA from UMich and she was very bitter when 3.9s at Oakland got accepted over her.


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My advice. Go to a mid-tier school. Make good relations with faculty. Delve into the material and master it. Make time for ECs and personal care. Set aside a big block of time for the MCAT. Do well. Get into a mid-tier medical school (usually they're the one's that are not as picky) and do well in medical school (MD anywhere is usually good) and you'll be good.
 
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Thank you for the quick reply. What would you say about getting a bachelors in "Biochemistry and Molecular Biology"? Is it a decent major to prepare you for the MCAT and medical school in general?

I wouldn't necessarily say the major would prepare you, but taking biochemistry, cell bio, and mol bio may be helpful for both the MCAT and the first bits of med school. You can be any major and succeed in medical school.
 
The search function is going to save you a lot of time and flaming, OP.
 
One other thing; if I maintain a 3.8+ and get good MCAT scores, will medical school still frown upon my prerequisites being completed at a community college? I plan on transferring into a university after my sophomore year.
 
One other thing; if I maintain a 3.8+ and get good MCAT scores, will medical school still frown upon my prerequisites being completed at a community college? I plan on transferring into a university after my sophomore year.

I would tell you to avoid this if you could.
 
doesn't matter

random school here, top med school.
 
Name matters less than everything else on the application, except taking Prereqs at a CC which I think is only accepted at some schools? There'a a category for that under selection factors on the MSAR.
 
Top 20 undergrad school +1 point
Everywhere else +0
Crappy podunk school that they've had problems with in the past -10
Out of 100

:laugh: I would say this is actually pretty accurate.

FWIW OP, I had the opportunity to have a conversation with the director of Harvard's pre-health department yesterday. I know this might shock some, but she said that there are students every year from Hahvahd who fail to get into medical school despite actually being decent applicants (decent numbers, decent ECs, etc.). Name doesn't matter as much as people think it does - at least not the name itself. What matters is taking advantage of the opportunities a big name school offers. What matters even more is the individual himself/herself and how much work and effort he/she puts into the coursework and their college experience.
 
Don't pick a major because you think it will prepare you for medical school or the MCAT.
Other than the pre-reqs, no extra class will really help you on the MCAT. SDN is full of people who only took the pre-reqs and scored 35+.

Pick a major you enjoy, can do well in, and will allow you the time to spend on studying for the MCAT and other pre-med courses.

The largest weeder factor of some very smart people is GPA. I had a friend who was ChemE major and pre-med on top of it, let's just say after this cycle they are rethinking the medical route. Scores of biology, psychology, sociology, etc majors from my school got into medical school that he creamed in pre-med prerequisites.

Point is, Overall GPAs matters. My advice, pick a major that allows you to maintain a high GPA and yet still have plenty of time for ECs and time to enjoy your college years so you don't go crazy.

As for schools, there is something floating around here that says go to a school where you are in the top 25% of entering class. Odds are they will throw some cash at you and hopefully you can come out without student loans AND a high GPA. Don't know what to make of that but the no loans part sounds good to me.
 
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Either way, the only way I'll be able to get into a university is through transferring. Can I just take the required prerequisites to transfer into U.C. Davis, and than take the prerequisites for medical school during my junior and senior year?; even if I already took some of them? I know there are a few schools that offer programs that solely focus on you completing your medical school prerequisites. How should I do this? At the moment I'm entering a local community college. I'll spend 2-3 years there to complete the prerequisites needed to transfer to U.C. Davis.
 
Either way, the only way I'll be able to get into a university is through transferring. Can I just take the required prerequisites to transfer into U.C. Davis, and than take the prerequisites for medical school during my junior and senior year?; even if I already took some of them? I know there are a few schools that offer programs that solely focus on you completing your medical school prerequisites. How should I do this? At the moment I'm entering a local community college. I'll spend 2-3 years there to complete the prerequisites needed to transfer to U.C. Davis.

You can take some of the pre-reqs at a CC (you might even need to to transfer), just make sure you take upper division science classes (biochem, genetics, etc.) at a UC and do well in them.
 
From what I have heard from physicians, no, your choice of undergraduate university does not matter, and your choice of medical school only matters if you plan on teaching down the road (in that case, I've heard that most medical professors do come from more 'prestigious' schools).

Going somewhere that is financially advantageous is a good investment for undergraduate. You'll have enough debt coming out of medical school, no need to worry about adding Ivy League debt to that if you can avoid it.
 
From what I have heard from physicians, no, your choice of undergraduate university does not matter, and your choice of medical school only matters if you plan on teaching down the road (in that case, I've heard that most medical professors do come from more 'prestigious' schools).

Going somewhere that is financially advantageous is a good investment for undergraduate.

That's an over simplification of a complex question.
 
As a pre-med, I agreed with people that higher stats at a lower-ranked school mattered more than school name.

Now as a medical student, I see why this is true. I know people who attended top 25 schools and are struggling. I know people who went to no-name schools who are doing amazingly well.

Further down the line, residency directors will care more about board scores, not where you went to undergrad years ago. In fact, when you look at doctor bios online, sometimes the undergrad isn't even listed!
 
:laugh: I would say this is actually pretty accurate.

FWIW OP, I had the opportunity to have a conversation with the director of Harvard's pre-health department yesterday. I know this might shock some, but she said that there are students every year from Hahvahd who fail to get into medical school despite actually being decent applicants (decent numbers, decent ECs, etc.). Name doesn't matter as much as people think it does - at least not the name itself. What matters is taking advantage of the opportunities a big name school offers. What matters even more is the individual himself/herself and how much work and effort he/she puts into the coursework and their college experience.

In Harvard's case, name probably does matter. ADCOMS see the name and realize they have been caught grade fixing many times in the past 20 years which might make them question a high GPA from there. Things don't always benefit you.
 
In Harvard's case, name probably does matter. ADCOMS see the name and realize they have been caught grade fixing many times in the past 20 years which might make them question a high GPA from there. Things don't always benefit you.

Highly, highly doubt that.

I've now seen it all: Harvard can at once single-handedly both get you into and keep you out of medical school.
 
If you're able to get a bachelors in any major at all, can you take your prerequisites later on than? Electrical engineering seems interesting to me. If I transfer into U.C. Davis as a junior, could I take physics, biology, chemistry, and organic chemistry courses on the side during my junior and senior year? A lot of U.C.'s have different "schools" on their campus. If I'm admitted into the U.C. Davis School of Engineering, could I take classes at the U.C. Davis School of Biological Sciences?
 
The first part, or second?

The latter. Once you're in medical school, nobody cares about your undergrad, it's irrelevant.
I would disagree that your medical school doesn't matter at all for residency selection for two reasons. First, the residency directors themselves admit that it is a factor. It's down on their list, but it's still there. A highly regarded medical school could help tip the odds in your favor among similar applicants on the rank list. Though I probably wouldn't turn down a large scholarship from another quality school to attend an elite one. The military match system gives you extra points for attending an elite medical school.
And second, not all medical schools are created equal, no matter what you read on SDN. Medical schools that are affiliated with globally known, full service, quaternary care referral centers can give you better opportunities for research, etc IF you have the initiative to take advantage of them. You could also have access to LORs from leaders in your desired field which could improve your application. An unusual and challenging patient population is also very interesting. It's one of the reasons that I chose to work where I work.
When it comes down to money/debt and if one school is any better then another, it's really up to you to determine what you would be willing to pay and if there is likely to be much difference between your available opportunities.
 
The latter. Once you're in medical school, nobody cares about your undergrad, it's irrelevant.
I would disagree that your medical school doesn't matter at all for residency selection for two reasons. First, the residency directors themselves admit that it is a factor. It's down on their list, but it's still there. A highly regarded medical school could help tip the odds in your favor among similar applicants on the rank list. Though I probably wouldn't turn down a large scholarship from another quality school to attend an elite one. The military match system gives you extra points for attending an elite medical school.
And second, not all medical schools are created equal, no matter what you read on SDN. Medical schools that are affiliated with globally known, full service, quaternary care referral centers can give you better opportunities for research, etc IF you have the initiative to take advantage of them. You could also have access to LORs from leaders in your desired field which could improve your application. An unusual and challenging patient population is also very interesting. It's one of the reasons that I chose to work where I work.
When it comes down to money/debt and if one school is any better then another, it's really up to you to determine what you would be willing to pay and if there is likely to be much difference between your available opportunities.

To play devil's advocate, my most hands-on, learning-filled (and fun) rotations were at rinky-dink community hospitals where my attendings let me have a very hands on role. I did part of my surgery rotation at a very small community hospital and I was first assist on every surgery.
 
In Harvard's case, name probably does matter. ADCOMS see the name and realize they have been caught grade fixing many times in the past 20 years which might make them question a high GPA from there. Things don't always benefit you.

I doubt this as well.

Do you know how ridiculously well-rounded you have to be with near perfect scores to get into Harvard for undergrad?
 
That's great, but I'd rather have the publication with and LOR from the Editor of the Journal of xxxxxxx.
Rinky Dink community guy might be fine for you though. It depends on what you're shooting for and what your options are.
Some people on these boards have to schedule several away rotations in their chosen field because they don't offer that specialty in their home hospital. Shocking but true.
 
Thank you for the quick reply. What would you say about getting a bachelors in "Biochemistry and Molecular Biology"? Is it a decent major to prepare you for the MCAT and medical school in general?

If that's what you're interested in, go for it. The MCAT now has a section on social sciences (or will in 2014-15, anyway), so it's not all about the hard sciences.

Bottom line: major in what interests you.

If you're able to get a bachelors in any major at all, can you take your prerequisites later on than? Electrical engineering seems interesting to me. If I transfer into U.C. Davis as a junior, could I take physics, biology, chemistry, and organic chemistry courses on the side during my junior and senior year? A lot of U.C.'s have different "schools" on their campus. If I'm admitted into the U.C. Davis School of Engineering, could I take classes at the U.C. Davis School of Biological Sciences?

You could, but generally you'll take the MCAT after you complete those courses, so you'd have to take a gap year if you took any of the 'pre-reqs' senior year.

And GPA and MCAT score are not everything. More and more, schools are looking at the intangible things about an application.
 
That's great, but I'd rather have the publication with and LOR from the Editor of the Journal of xxxxxxx.
Rinky Dink community guy might be fine for you though. It depends on what you're shooting for and what your options are.
Some people on these boards have to schedule several away rotations in their chosen field because they don't offer that specialty in their home hospital. Shocking but true.

My program doesn't have a residency in my field (EM) and I didn't have a problem getting any interviews. All of my letters were from community docs who wrote glowing letters and they were mentioned almost everywhere. I don't know if it's just that EM doesn't care much for names or if medicine as a whole is changing.
 
You could, but generally you'll take the MCAT after you complete those courses, so you'd have to take a gap year if you took any of the 'pre-reqs' senior year.

And GPA and MCAT score are not everything. More and more, schools are looking at the intangible things about an application.

Wow, that kind of got my hopes down a bit. I'm not quite sure if I'll be able to score good on the MCAT if I complete these courses at a community college.
 
Wow, that kind of got my hopes down a bit. I'm not quite sure if I'll be able to score good on the MCAT if I complete these courses at a community college.

The pre-reqs are so heavily standardized that it really won't matter where you take them in terms of learning the information. You'll probably be held to a higher standard at a UC (so it'll be harder to earn A's), but the material will be the same.
 
Wow, that kind of got my hopes down a bit. I'm not quite sure if I'll be able to score good on the MCAT if I complete these courses at a community college.

Uh yeah you will.....

A community college course will cover everything you need to know on the MCAT. In fact more that what you probably need to know.
 
Uh yeah you will.....

A community college course will cover everything you need to know on the MCAT. In fact more that what you probably need to know.

I guess someone went to a community college... I'm not going to name names though.
 
Well that's a relief. Is U.C. Davis too competitive to get a 3.9-4.0? Should I just head out to California State University: Sacramento?
 
Well that's a relief. Is U.C. Davis too competitive to get a 3.9-4.0? Should I just head out to California State University: Sacramento?

I would stick with a UC if possible. Yes, Davis is competitive. They curve at a B-/C+ so you have to be in the top of the class to earn A's. All UC's are research powerhouses, and both Davis and Berkeley will give you plenty of extracurricular opportunities to take advantage of (Davis has a medical school and Berkeley has UCSF). You'll probably be held to a higher standard if you choose a cal state over a UC, at least by California medical schools.
 
Well that's a relief. Is U.C. Davis too competitive to get a 3.9-4.0? Should I just head out to California State University: Sacramento?

As someone who went to UCD: It highly depends on your major. If you got a 3.9-4.0 in a hard science such as engineering or physics I'd be very very impressed. On the other hand, as a sociology major it would be fairly easy to achieve at least a 3.80 (I was a Soc minor so I know).

However, that's not the point of college is it? Don't go to a school keeping in mind "the relative ease by which I will get a 3.9-4.0." First off, you don't NEED such a high GPA to go to medical school. Of course, the higher the better, but once you're around 3.70+ it becomes about how well rounded you are. Aside from this, the opportunities you can get from UCD are MUCH higher than those from CSU-Sacramento. I also know this because my wife went there for her Master's and hated it; they're unorganized and their programs are simply not of equal caliber to UCD. Go to a school that you like, will excel at, and will allow you to maximize your potential. Don't go because "it's easy to get a 4.0 there." If you're the kind of person who always wants the easy route then medicine won't be for you.
 
As someone who went to UCD: It highly depends on your major. If you got a 3.9-4.0 in a hard science such as engineering or physics I'd be very very impressed. On the other hand, as a sociology major it would be fairly easy to achieve at least a 3.80 (I was a Soc minor so I know).

However, that's not the point of college is it? Don't go to a school keeping in mind "the relative ease by which I will get a 3.9-4.0." First off, you don't NEED such a high GPA to go to medical school. Of course, the higher the better, but once you're around 3.70+ it becomes about how well rounded you are. Aside from this, the opportunities you can get from UCD are MUCH higher than those from CSU-Sacramento. I also know this because my wife went there for her Master's and hated it; they're unorganized and their programs are simply not of equal caliber to UCD. Go to a school that you like, will excel at, and will allow you to maximize your potential. Don't go because "it's easy to get a 4.0 there." If you're the kind of person who always wants the easy route then medicine won't be for you.

Thanks for the information. I kind of would like to study around Sacramento, at least for my bachelors. Since people are saying that schools don't play too big of a role, can I just stick with U.C. Davis instead of going to U.C. Berkeley? Its not even that I prefer U.C. Davis; its just that I'd like to attend school at home until I reach medical school. If U.C. Berkeley catches the eyes of medical schools better than U.C. Davis does, than I'd rather enroll there.
 
Well that's a relief. Is U.C. Davis too competitive to get a 3.9-4.0? Should I just head out to California State University: Sacramento?

Stop trying to predict your GPA before you've even started college. Chances are that you won't graduate with a 3.9-4.0.
 
A 3.7 at Davis would be taken over a 3.5 at UCB.

A 3.7 with a 33 on the MCAT would be taken over a 3.7 with a 30 on the MCAT at UCB.

Why am I wasting my breath?

Real Answer: No, they would not have a higher chance. The difference between Berkeley and Davis is tiny to medical schools.

Yes, However:

A 3.7 at UCB would be taken over a 3.7 at Davis.

Your GPA and MCAT matter much more than the school you attend, but where you attend school still matters. This is esp true for some adcoms more than others...

To answer the OP: Yes, but its what you do with the "school name" that really matters.
 
I am possibly transferring from a state school to an Ivy. I will be entering the Ivy in fall of junior year and will be applying that spring. So effectively I will have 1 year of grades from there that med schools will see.

Will the name matter in that case, since I was there for much less time.

I'm guessing at that point it really doesn't make a difference.
 
Undergraduate schools doesn't matter but medical school name does matter to some extent depending when applying for residencies. Especially if you want to go to Southern/Midwest schools like OU, Nebraska, Iowa, etc. However, your STEP1 scores probably will open most doors if you do well. Thought I'd slid that in.
 
As far as undergraduate institutions go: elite > excellent > very good > good > OK > unknown / lousy

It really is that simple in terms of basic categories, though the > premiums seem to be pretty small as far as admission to medical schools are concerned.

But going to medical school and becoming a doctor is only Plan A. The reality is that ~ 60% of those who apply to medical school will not get in - anywhere. And a whole lot of people who start college with medical school in mind are weeded out before they even get to the point of applying. How many? I don't know, but I'd expect it's an even larger percentage than the the 60% who apply and aren't admitted. So let's do some simple math.

If 40% of college entrants don't change their minds, make it through the weed-out classes and get GPAs and MCAT scores decent enough to decide to go through the application cycle, and only 40% of them succeed in securing an acceptance, that means only 16% of the "I wanna be a doctor" entering college freshmen (40% x 40%) are going to succeed. In other words, as an entering freshman, Plan A is a long shot. Of course, the odds get clearer as you go. If you're finishing your 2nd year with a 3.8 GPA and some good ECs, Plan A looks pretty realistic. But the point is, if you're contemplating what college to choose, making that decision based on a Plan A that has, at this point, about a 16% chance of succeeding is probably not a wise decision.

Forgive the redundancy, but while the this school > that school premiums seem to be pretty small as far as admission to medical schools are concerned, for the rest of the post-college world, the this school > that school premiums are much larger. In short, choosing an UG college with the idea that prestige doesn't matter (because for medical school, it doesn't -- much) has an 84% chance of backfiring on you.

I wouldn't recommend going broke or deeply into debt to move up one 'category' -- but don't disregard the necessity of Plan B when making your decisions.
 
I guess someone went to a community college... I'm not going to name names though.

Lol, I went to a 4 year. I only took one class at a community college and it was a good class. The CCs have smaller classes (no big lectures), one on one time with a PhD professor, lots of tutoring help, and super cheap.

I have a relative that teaches at that community college and my 4 year school. Even he says there is no difference.

Anyways, my point was...The MCAT isn't THAT bad that a difference between CC and 4 year schools would lead to a difference in scores. It is pretty basic, it's just that it covers the basics of a LOT of the subjects you already covered (even at a CC) in a weird way that makes you think critically.
 
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I was wondering if medical schools care where you got your bachelors. Would a student from U.C. Berkeley have a higher chance of getting accepted to a medical school compared to a student from U.C. Davis?

Not really. It's more of difficult scale. If a student went to an ivy league (or any very selective uni) and had a 3.6 and another student when to a state school and had a 3.6, the Ivy student would most likely be chosen because it is most likely more rigorous than the state school.
 
Additionally access to actual professors (as opposed to TAs, lecturers, and alike) tends to be more difficult as the more prestigious schools.

Are you kidding me? Better access to faculty is one of the main advantages small private schools have over large state schools.
 
I am possibly transferring from a state school to an Ivy. I will be entering the Ivy in fall of junior year and will be applying that spring. So effectively I will have 1 year of grades from there that med schools will see.

Will the name matter in that case, since I was there for much less time.

I'm guessing at that point it really doesn't make a difference.

It actually does make a difference and says something about you as a person.
 
Yeah I don't think it makes a huge difference. That being said, it does matter a little.

I had the chance last summer to sit down with a member of the Applications Committee of the local medical school here (middle tier, state-funded med school). He said that they do give preference to state school applicants over private school applicants, but not much. He said that it mostly had to do with GPA's. The state keeps teachers and departments accountable for the amount of A's given at state-run schools, while at private schools there isn't as strict accountability for that. As a result, private school GPA's around here weren't taken as seriously. Keep in mind, this is an example from just one medical school.

I can understand where he is coming from. Especially since the biggest private school in the state requires their undergrads to take tons of religion credits in order to graduate. I could see how people would view that as a form of grade inflation.

**My first post on SDN 🙂 This site has been helpful for me.
 
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