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Can anyone list some US vet schools that offer a moderate to strong exotic animal program?
Thank you in advance!
Thank you in advance!
there was usually a bald eagle, too, at least when I was there. Plus we have a wide range of clinicians. 2 zoo vets (that see other cases), 1 avian focused vet, that also sees small mammals, and 1 small mammal vet that also enjoys seeing birds, etc. Not to mention the residents.I'll second the UTK recommendation, especially if you're interested in big cats. Being the primary vet med provider for Tiger Haven and the Knoxville Zoo means there are big cats in the clinic on a weekly basis.
Really?! Can anyone verify that? I just find it hard to believe that no one feels comfortable seeing the little guys (if that's the case, at least).one of my zoo focused internmates went to vmcvm and talks frequently about how there were no exotics/zoo opportunities directly at the school. she got all her experience through carefully planned externships. supposedly the teaching hospital actively declines seeing pocket pets.
well she confirms it (i say supposedly since i didnt go to school there, but she has no reason to lie or bend the truth). she said their reasoning is that no one is interested in seeing them and they dont have a specialist on staff. they are not interested in acquiring a specialist because the case load wouldnt be enough to support one (definitely believe this, blacksburg is a wonderful place, but it is very much in the middle of rural southwest virginia). there also isnt much of an emergency department at the school, so it's not like that department could even handle that sort of load.Really?! Can anyone verify that? I just find it hard to believe that no one feels comfortable seeing the little guys (if that's the case, at least).
That sucks...usually teaching hospitals have all of the good equipment that can be pretty important to diagnosing pocket pet/exotic pet problemswell she confirms it (i say supposedly since i didnt go to school there, but she has no reason to lie or bend the truth). she said their reasoning is that no one is interested in seeing them and they dont have a specialist on staff. they are not interested in acquiring a specialist because the case load wouldnt be enough to support one (definitely believe this, blacksburg is a wonderful place, but it is very much in the middle of rural southwest virginia). there also isnt much of an emergency department at the school, so it's not like that department could even handle that sort of load.
Really?! Can anyone verify that? I just find it hard to believe that no one feels comfortable seeing the little guys (if that's the case, at least).
Is it for the same reasons as VMRCVM in that just...no one wants to see them? I almost feel like that's counter intuitive for a teaching hospital, but I guess you need a willing DVM to oversee those casesUMN VMC does not see exotics, either. Cats and dogs only. Exceptions: pot belly pigs show up through LA hospital sometimes. LA hospital sees all the usuals plus camels and other weird things. And zoo critters occasionally show up in the hospital (one of my anesthesia rotation mates got to go help anesthetize a tiger).
But as far as companion animals through the SA hospital .... nothing but cats and dogs.
one of my zoo focused internmates went to vmcvm and talks frequently about how there were no exotics/zoo opportunities directly at the school. she got all her experience through carefully planned externships. supposedly the teaching hospital actively declines seeing pocket pets.
Is it hard to get a spot in zoo/exotics rotations? It seems like everyone I run into wants to do zoo. I intend to apply to externships as well, which will make a difference, but I'm not sure how many I am allowed to do or if I'd even get them.
It seems to be that way for most schools 🙁 Curiosity: do any schools actually incorporate exotics into their core curriculum?WSU has a lot of raptors. There aren't really any zoo opportunities, but occasionally "rare" animals and wildlife will come in - wallaby, beaver, wolf, alligator, etc. Dr. Finch is great, I really enjoyed her teaching style. If you're interested she'll teach you a lot and give you good opportunities to participate and be hands on. However, just by nature of WSU being in the podunk middle of nowhere, those opportunities may be limited compared to other areas. (Again, unless you like raptors. Lots of those.)
My friend did a month long externship at the San Diego zoo which she enjoyed. She sought it out on her own though and it was on her vacation time.
There is a poultry rotation and a fish/aquaculture rotation.
I was personally disappointed because when I went through there were ~3 electives for learning exotics. One on reptiles and one on mammals. I believe there was a bird one too. Obviously not enough to really get your teeth into exotics medicine.
Also (in my time) they capped the number of exotics rotations you could do. So it was ~3 weeks max during fourth year. I would have like to spend a LOT more time there but the system forced me into rotations I could care less about. Not happy about that.
Also you're required to take a 1 month preceptorship from a list of pre-selected clinics. NONE of the clinics (in my time) did exotics. Zero. So I was stuck at a SA clinic looking at ear infections and diarrhea for a month instead of learning about what I was interested in... [exotic companion mammals]
There was an option for students to work in the exotics ward, but I didn't have the time (had a different PT job) or the background in birds or reptiles to be useful there.
Two of my classmates have gone onto zoo-ish things, but they had extensive background in zoo/wildlife before vet school and furthered those connections while they were in school (on their summers, during vacation, etc) They both also took several LA classes which applies to many zoo species, so that was a help for them. The LA classes weren't anything I was interested in.
So long story short: while I enjoyed the exotics staff, I always felt like exotics was never given a proper place in the curriculum and the system basically shafted people who had an exotics interest or curiosity. One would want to seek off campus opportunities and it would be helpful if you had some connections in place before you got to school.
It seems to be that way for most schools 🙁 Curiosity: do any schools actually incorporate exotics into their core curriculum?
K-state has one exotics class that everyone takes. Then there's an elective class and and the exotics rotation is an elective as wellIt seems to be that way for most schools 🙁 Curiosity: do any schools actually incorporate exotics into their core curriculum?
Is it hard to get a spot in zoo/exotics rotations? It seems like everyone I run into wants to do zoo. I intend to apply to externships as well, which will make a difference, but I'm not sure how many I am allowed to do or if I'd even get them.
Yeah I'll to start with that now, then. I picked 3, and two of them are rather competitive so I guess we'll see. I certainly don't have much of a CV at this point! This is all stressing me out lolYes, it's tough. Start asking now about spots for fourth year. My local large/busy/well known aquarium had ONE spot I could have taken in fourth year (ended up not fitting my schedule), and I emailed them 2 years ahead of time. Same for the zoo places I contacted. Exotics was similarly tough but I got lucky in finding a start-up doc who was fantastic. Seriously, start doing the legwork now, contact them by the end of this year.
Yes, my school does. I was required to learn about iguanas, ferrets, cheetahs... uh, some other small things?It seems to be that way for most schools 🙁 Curiosity: do any schools actually incorporate exotics into their core curriculum?
I mean Illinois has a pretty expansive elective stream for zoo/exotics/wildlife, but the core curriculum is mainly domestic animals as far as I know. Definitely not required, other than the fact that we do need a certain amount of electives under our belts.Yes, my school does. I was required to learn about iguanas, ferrets, cheetahs... uh, some other small things?
Color me deeply impressed. Wow.other is triple boarded (ABVP Avian, Reptile & Ampbian, DACZM)
Exotics/zoo are included in our core courses over here. We have some required exotics clinical skills labs that are kind of fun too.I mean Illinois has a pretty expansive elective stream for zoo/exotics/wildlife, but the core curriculum is mainly domestic animals as far as I know. Definitely not required, other than the fact that we do need a certain amount of electives under our belts.
That does sound like fun! I can understand why it's part of a core curriculum...to me, you need to be creative with a lot of aspects of exotic pet/zoo medicine. It's cool to come up with unique ways to do things that are less difficult in cats and dogs.Exotics/zoo are included in our core courses over here. We have some required exotics clinical skills labs that are kind of fun too.