Schools that provide Masters+DO school

[Frah0709]

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Hey guys, thanks for looking this over.

Basically, I'm trying to narrow down DO schools that offer one year masters and essentially guarantee (as long as you do well) you getting into the school afterwards. The only school that comes to mind right now is LMU in Tennessee.

I know their are other schools out there that have masters and DO programs but the masters don't really give a real degree (ie Midwestern University's 1 year masters)

Any input is greatly appreciated!

 

[allin1211]

TOUROCOM (NY) has one. Complete the 1 year program with a 3.5 and pass the comprehensive test and you get automatic acceptance

 

[Giovanotto]

KCU has one.

 

[SlugMD]

Hey guys, thanks for looking this over.

Basically, I'm trying to narrow down DO schools that offer one year masters and essentially guarantee (as long as you do well) you getting into the school afterwards. The only school that comes to mind right now is LMU in Tennessee.

I know their are other schools out there that have masters and DO programs but the masters don't really give a real degree (ie Midwestern University's 1 year masters)

Any input is greatly appreciated!

What are your motivations for getting a masters degree?

I'm curious because I was once considering getting an extra degree in medical school but the universal advice I have been given by over a dozen doctors and SDN has been finish to med school and residency, then see if you still want that degree. The doctors that had a MBA or MPH regret getting one because it didn't help them reach their current jobs and was a waste of a year and ~40k.

The point I'm trying to make is that, don't do it just to look good or for some future job that may not really need it.

(Btw, I do know some MPH programs can be done concurrently like at UNE but med school is already stressful enough, I couldn't imagine taking an extra 1-2 classes on top of that every semester.)

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

KCU has one.

KCU's program has it's benefits, but I wouldn't say that it's a do well and you'll get in type deal. I don't know whether it's selection reasons, people deciding they don't want to do medicine anymore, or after a retake of the mcat apply elsewhere only 30 people out of a class of 100ish end up in our MS1 class and some do enter off of a waitlist to boot.

I would say that the KCU program is great if you're a KC resident and can be helpful in entering into our MS1 and doing well, but I don't think I could entirely recommend it to people who are out of staters.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

What are your motivations for getting a masters degree?

I'm curious because I was once considering getting an extra degree in medical school but the universal advice I have been given by over a dozen doctors and SDN has been finish to med school and residency, then see if you still want that degree. The doctors that had a MBA or MPH regret getting one because it didn't help them reach their current jobs and was a waste of a year and ~40k.

The point I'm trying to make is that, don't do it just to look good or for some future job that may not really need it.

(Btw, I do know some MPH programs can be done concurrently like at UNE but med school is already stressful enough, I couldn't imagine taking an extra 1-2 classes on top of that every semester.)

There is a difference between a two year MS that is dispensed by a more research heavy program and a MS dispensed by these DO linkage model programs. The MS at KCU and other places is essentially MS1 lite and is a measurement of your potential outcomes at a future MS1. By in large people who do these linkage programs do tend to do well in med school because first year is essentially not as entirely new material.

Regarding masters programs that people take during their med school experience. I personally think it's doable to pull of a MA or MPH during medical school. That being said I'd rather spend my second year studying for the boards and or taking care of myself and my mental well being than adding on more classes to my load. Likewise even an hour taken away during 3rd year is a deterrent for me to avoid doing a MA.

 

[SlugMD]

There is a difference between a two year MS that is dispensed by a more research heavy program and a MS dispensed by these DO linkage model programs. The MS at KCU and other places is essentially MS1 lite and is a measurement of your potential outcomes at a future MS1. By in large people who do these linkage programs do tend to do well in med school because first year is essentially not as entirely new material.

Regarding masters programs that people take during their med school experience. I personally think it's doable to pull of a MA or MPH during medical school. That being said I'd rather spend my second year studying for the boards and or taking care of myself and my mental well being than adding on more classes to my load. Likewise even an hour taken away during 3rd year is a deterrent for me to avoid doing a MA.

Agree with you on everything, I didn't realize OP was referring to a SMP until I read his first post more closely. The title made it seem he was looking into a dual degree program.

 

[Frah0709]

Thanks for your input guys, I'm looking for schools that give a degree for their masters and then essentially "lock in" your DO seat as long as you do well; I'll def look into TOUROCOM and KCU!

 

[BecauseTheInternet]

I just pulled this off of KCU's website. I too am looking at Master's programs, but don't want to spend the ridiculous amount of money if I am not almost guaranteed a spot, as you said.

@serenade, I am not trying to prove you wrong or anything, but are we talking about the same programs? Also, why would you recommend not doing this program as an out of state applicant?

 

[CoomassieBlue57]

http://www.aacom.org/docs/default-source/cib/2016_cib.pdf?sfvrsn=16

Page 12 in the booklet. Next time do your own research as this information is readily available.

 

[AlteredScale]

I just pulled this off of KCU's website. I too am looking at Master's programs, but don't want to spend the ridiculous amount of money if I am not almost guaranteed a spot, as you said.
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@serenade, I am not trying to prove you wrong or anything, but are we talking about the same programs? Also, why would you recommend not doing this program as an out of state applicant?

This is the program you both are talking about. The MS at KCU is essentially an SMP. If you can do one at a solid MD school such as UC Davis it will benefit you much more greatly than the one you'll receive at KCU.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

This is the program you both are talking about. The MS at KCU is essentially an SMP. If you can do one at a solid MD school such as UC Davis it will benefit you much more greatly than the one you'll receive at KCU.

Agreed, KCU's MS is a DO linkage program. A SMP from Cincinnati, would take you much farther.

 

[darkeon]

This is the program you both are talking about. The MS at KCU is essentially an SMP. If you can do one at a solid MD school such as UC Davis it will benefit you much more greatly than the one you'll receive at KCU.

If I may ask, does a SMP @MD school look that much better than SMP @ DO school? I know the DO SmPs offer the linkages to their schools giving them that niche so to speak. However, wouldn't a 3.7 SMP be looked as well by any school (MD or DO) regardless of where it was taken at?

 

[Giovanotto]

If I may ask, does a SMP @MD school look that much better than SMP @ DO school? I know the DO SmPs offer the linkages to their schools giving them that niche so to speak. However, wouldn't a 3.7 SMP be looked as well by any school (MD or DO) regardless of where it was taken at?

It is my understanding that it is completely political. Nobody does an SMP because they want to know more necessarily. You're realistically paying money to demonstrate that you can succeed in THEIR medical school. If it was me, I'd do an SMP or MS at the program I'm interested in being a medical student.

 

[AlteredScale]

If I may ask, does a SMP @MD school look that much better than SMP @ DO school? I know the DO SmPs offer the linkages to their schools giving them that niche so to speak. However, wouldn't a 3.7 SMP be looked as well by any school (MD or DO) regardless of where it was taken at?

If you can get a 3.8+ at a solid and research-heavy MD institition such as Columbia, it will do you greater than getting a 3.9 at KCU. IMO the biggest reason is that if you are required to research, that research will prob be more impactful at a high performing MD school than a DO SMP. Which for applying to medical school in general is always a good thing.

 

[arc5005]

My question though, is it worth going for a SMP or MS just to get into a MD program, over just getting into a DO program (1-2 years earlier)??

 

[Giovanotto]

My question though, is it worth going for a SMP or MS just to get into a MD program, over just getting into a DO program (1-2 years earlier)??

Only you can answer that, and nothing is guaranteed. If you want MD, go MD and forget about DO. Vice versa.

 

[Nesmall2]

Thanks for your input guys, I'm looking for schools that give a degree for their masters and then essentially "lock in" your DO seat as long as you do well; I'll def look into TOUROCOM and KCU!

The TouroCOM linkage program will automatically grant your a seat into the DO program the following year, but getting a 3.5 is not as easy as it sounds. It's more like, top 30% get into the DO program because your grade is directly compared with all the other masters students and you are competing with them. They kinda curve the exams so only the top people will be able to receive that "3.5"