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As I read through the thread about adcoms asking about sdn usernames, I began to wonder what overall reputation sdn carries with most schools. Aside of the obvious, neurotic stereotype, is the general view positive or negative? I know it would a terrible social doing to bring it up in conversation, but is being a member of sdn something you would go through lengths to hide from schools?
 
Honestly SDN is my little secret. I wouldn't want anyone to know that I visit this site (frequently)
 
Honestly SDN is my little secret. I wouldn't want anyone to know that I visit this site (frequently)

I have the SDN site as a sticker on my windshield with my SN under it on my rear window. Am I doing it wrong? 😕
 
I have the SDN site as a sticker on my windshield with my SN under it on my rear window. Am I doing it wrong? 😕

Do you have the official SDN t-shirt? Cuss if you don't THEN you're doing it wrong.
 
SDN tattoo anyone? Can't be a hardcore SDN user without it.
 
As I read through the thread about adcoms asking about sdn usernames, I began to wonder what overall reputation sdn carries with most schools. Aside of the obvious, neurotic stereotype, is the general view positive or negative? I know it would a terrible social doing to bring it up in conversation, but is being a member of sdn something you would go through lengths to hide from schools?

That pretty much sums it up.

Once in a conversation in our lab last year (most are pre-med) I mentioned that "I had heard once" that you could roughly gauge your competitiveness by multiplying your GPA by 10 and adding your MCAT score and wanting it to be above a 65 or something (famed LizzyM score). One of the other guys laughed, "PFFFTTT! That sounds like something ridiculous you'd read on that stupid student doctor network site." All the other lab members laughed and heartily agreed. I too laughed sheepishly and agreed.

Now the most I ever do is refer people to the interview feedback section (only publicly respectable SDN-affiliate site) but only by playing it down by saying something like, "I was googling medical school interview questions and came across a really cool site where people who have interviewed at specific schools fill out a survey about what questions they got asked and stuff. Just search 'medical school interview feedback' and it should be one of the first results."

I agree that in public the embarassment scale of internet activity goes something like: MENSA>>>SDN>>4chan>porn=redditt=failblog

I think the MCAT/Allo (at least the stickies with web resources)/residency forums are/will be really helpful though and plan on becoming a donor once I'm finally accepted somewhere. I just won't tell anyone.
 
Maybe it's like College Confidential among college people
 
Maybe it's like College Confidential among college people

We're no where near as neurotic and far more helpful.

Seriously, everyone on that site is some 2390 SAT whiz whose mother had him playing piano and violin simultaneously since age 5 and slopped through 3 seasons of tennis so they get the sports covered too.

People take that stuff too seriously and spend their entire life from elementary school preparing for that crap. Can you imagine people spending 10-12 years of their lives preparing meticulously for med school? Practicing the MCAT for 4-5 years before taking it? It's not healthy and it really shows a lot of times.

SDN is nowhere near as bad as College Confidential.

Honestly I'm kind of surprised at how much negativity people are purporting to hear/feel about SDN.

I agree...we're a pretty healthy and helpful site. Half the people stressing out and being "neurotic" aren't the 4.0, 41N students but the people with the 3.6 and 31 trying to get into UChicago or something. In fact, we have a much bigger problem of people trolling and wasting space/time than being overly neurotic or stressful.

Yeah, we have a lot of jerks on here too, but a lot of really helpful, patient members as well. The Mods are all pretty patient and maintain a good balance of order and freedom. Yes, there are a lot of stacked applicants here. But if you really pay attention, I believe there to be more mediocre/average applicants (for accepted students) here than the NickNaylor kinds.

People just like to complain, even if the reality doesn't really fit.
 
I remember looking at College Confidential for advice. Became stressed out that my grades weren't good enough for the decent colleges. Finally stopped looking at that website and went to my top choice. Admissions counselor looked at my grades and said they were fine. By College Confidential standards, I should have been told to start flipping burgers for a living.
 
I remember looking at College Confidential for advice. Became stressed out that my grades weren't good enough for the decent colleges. Finally stopped looking at that website and went to my top choice. Admissions counselor looked at my grades and said they were fine. By College Confidential standards, I should have been told to start flipping burgers for a living.

I kind of... posted a lot on College Confidential 😱. Barring those 2390 whiz kids (which got old REALLY fast: they'd get into Stanford and be like "Y U NO ACCEPT ME HARVARD Y ONLY WAITLIST"), there were some really helpful people on there, and I learned just as much about the college admissions process on CC as I did about the med school process here on SDN. I admittedly post way less on SDN, but I'm a long-time lurker 😉
 
The prehealth advisor at my undergrad hated SDN.
Because we make him obsolete?

The Michigan admissions director also admonishes SDN when I went there for the interview, but he does also seem to think there's an occasional positive.
He's just jelly of our rockin URM debates.
 
It's helpful, but can be rather depressing to read at times. The pre-medical boards arent too bad, but damn the med student boards can make the most diehard pre-meds reconsider their career path. Of course, the people enjoying med school are too busy living to bitch on this site. :laugh:
 
Idk, the trolling and arguing are unbearable sometimes, but there are certain posters that make it worth visiting. And the trolling and arguing seems to go down when summer is over.
 
SDN is nowhere near as bad as College Confidential.

Honestly I'm kind of surprised at how much negativity people are purporting to hear/feel about SDN.
I remember experiencing a lot on the interview trail as well. It made me sad.

We're no where near as neurotic and far more helpful.

Seriously, everyone on that site is some 2390 SAT whiz whose mother had him playing piano and violin simultaneously since age 5 and slopped through 3 seasons of tennis so they get the sports covered too.

People take that stuff too seriously and spend their entire life from elementary school preparing for that crap. Can you imagine people spending 10-12 years of their lives preparing meticulously for med school? Practicing the MCAT for 4-5 years before taking it? It's not healthy and it really shows a lot of times.



I agree...we're a pretty healthy and helpful site. Half the people stressing out and being "neurotic" aren't the 4.0, 41N students but the people with the 3.6 and 31 trying to get into UChicago or something. In fact, we have a much bigger problem of people trolling and wasting space/time than being overly neurotic or stressful.

Yeah, we have a lot of jerks on here too, but a lot of really helpful, patient members as well. The Mods are all pretty patient and maintain a good balance of order and freedom. Yes, there are a lot of stacked applicants here. But if you really pay attention, I believe there to be more mediocre/average applicants (for accepted students) here than the NickNaylor kinds.

People just like to complain, even if the reality doesn't really fit.
I think this is the part that makes it difficult. There is a TON of good information on here, but you have to do some legwork and have good instincts in order to find it. Sometimes the disruptive people just stand out more, and so if you aren't good at weeding out the good information from the bad, SDN will confuse you. Also, I think AdComs can sometimes view SDN the way elementary school teachers view their class. The students that act up are the ones who you remember....not the quiet ones that sit in the corner and do all of their work well.


Also.....mediocre applicant right here😀 Even my best friend didn't think I would get into medical school. But I had a pretty nice application cycle and even ended up getting money at every school I got into. I credit SDN for sure. I really had no other place to go for information because I'm a non-trad who took all prereqs at a CC.
 
SDN is nowhere near as bad as College Confidential.

Honestly I'm kind of surprised at how much negativity people are purporting to hear/feel about SDN.

Haha I actually go to a really nerdy school so it's surprisingly socially acceptable here to say that you went to CC to look up stuff...

We're no where near as neurotic and far more helpful.

Seriously, everyone on that site is some 2390 SAT whiz whose mother had him playing piano and violin simultaneously since age 5 and slopped through 3 seasons of tennis so they get the sports covered too.

People take that stuff too seriously and spend their entire life from elementary school preparing for that crap. Can you imagine people spending 10-12 years of their lives preparing meticulously for med school? Practicing the MCAT for 4-5 years before taking it? It's not healthy and it really shows a lot of times.

A lot of people who have done all those things really did enjoy and learn from them... Everybody panics a bit in jr year trying to package their experiences and present them for college admissions, but most of those 2390/piano/violin/tennis kids are actually perfectly normal, sociable people in real life. And a lot of people do realise that they want to be doctors early on in life and do things that would prepare them for a career in medicine, like research, shadowing, or volunteering, starting in HS... I don't really think it makes them "unhealthy" doctors.


Telling people you go on SDN (or CC for that matter) gives the image that you're trying really hard and that you take getting into medical school really seriously, which I don't think is a bad thing at all. The problem is the stupid social pressure to pretend that one is not trying and accomplishing things nonetheless. Personally I consider that an excuse for failure, and "I could have done better if I just tried harder/studied more/went to class" is one of the dumbest, most useless things I hear people say, but that's just me.
 
Honestly, isn't it worse when people spend half a day on facebook posting every single thing they do in a day?
 
SDN tattoo anyone? Can't be a hardcore SDN user without it.

:laugh: :laugh: 👍

Honestly I'm kind of surprised at how much negativity people are purporting to hear/feel about SDN.

I'm surprised too--sure, SDN has its fair share of idiots/trolls like the rest of the internet (and like the real world does too) but I've found a lot of helpful information and awesome people here.

We're no where near as neurotic and far more helpful.

Seriously, everyone on that site is some 2390 SAT whiz whose mother had him playing piano and violin simultaneously since age 5 and slopped through 3 seasons of tennis so they get the sports covered too.

People take that stuff too seriously and spend their entire life from elementary school preparing for that crap. Can you imagine people spending 10-12 years of their lives preparing meticulously for med school? Practicing the MCAT for 4-5 years before taking it? It's not healthy and it really shows a lot of times.



I agree...we're a pretty healthy and helpful site. Half the people stressing out and being "neurotic" aren't the 4.0, 41N students but the people with the 3.6 and 31 trying to get into UChicago or something. In fact, we have a much bigger problem of people trolling and wasting space/time than being overly neurotic or stressful.

Yeah, we have a lot of jerks on here too, but a lot of really helpful, patient members as well. The Mods are all pretty patient and maintain a good balance of order and freedom. Yes, there are a lot of stacked applicants here. But if you really pay attention, I believe there to be more mediocre/average applicants (for accepted students) here than the NickNaylor kinds.

People just like to complain, even if the reality doesn't really fit.

God this makes me feel old...back in my day the SAT was still out of 1600.
 
I don't really tell people i spend time on here...but using SDN to monitor the schools in which you have applications out is extremely helpful...slightly time consuming but helpful none the less.....A lot of the information you get on here you couldn't get from anywhere else.
 
I don't really tell people i spend time on here...but using SDN to monitor the schools in which you have applications out is extremely helpful...slightly time consuming but helpful none the less.....A lot of the information you get on here you couldn't get from anywhere else.

Absolutely...and the verification thread was totally helpful, because I could predict exactly what day my application would be processed...and that's the day it was processed. As long as you don't let the application updates get to your head - "OMG someone else got an interview invite THREE DAYS AGO and I haven't heard anything!!! :scared: " - it's really helpful information.
 
Absolutely...and the verification thread was totally helpful, because I could predict exactly what day my application would be processed...and that's the day it was processed. As long as you don't let the application updates get to your head - "OMG someone else got an interview invite THREE DAYS AGO and I haven't heard anything!!! :scared: " - it's really helpful information.

This aspect of it definitely sucks. Especially when you see people complete later than you getting interview invites when you don't.
 
A lot of people who have done all those things really did enjoy and learn from them... Everybody panics a bit in jr year trying to package their experiences and present them for college admissions, but most of those 2390/piano/violin/tennis kids are actually perfectly normal, sociable people in real life. And a lot of people do realise that they want to be doctors early on in life and do things that would prepare them for a career in medicine, like research, shadowing, or volunteering, starting in HS... I don't really think it makes them "unhealthy" doctors.


Telling people you go on SDN (or CC for that matter) gives the image that you're trying really hard and that you take getting into medical school really seriously, which I don't think is a bad thing at all. The problem is the stupid social pressure to pretend that one is not trying and accomplishing things nonetheless. Personally I consider that an excuse for failure, and "I could have done better if I just tried harder/studied more/went to class" is one of the dumbest, most useless things I hear people say, but that's just me.

I agree to some extent, but a lot of them have really unhealthy/overly competitive approaches to life and interacting with individuals in general. Plenty of them are certainly "normal" (whatever we decide that means) but I've known so many more that are constantly stressed, aggressively competitive, secretive, and often unhappy unless succeeding and being the best at everything.

I also agree that a lot of people try to give off the impression that all their success results from minimal or only mediocre effort on their part...and that's unfortunate in my opinion. But there is also a lot of social pressure to appear like you're doing "everything", so that every volunteer opportunity extracts all the heart and humanity in our body, and every club engages our intellectual yet quirky and unique passions to the fullest...it really goes both ways.
 
SDN tattoo anyone? Can't be a hardcore SDN user without it.

This is why SDN is better than CC: I can laugh *with* people instead of *at* them. ...Most of the time. 😛
 
Sorry OP, you don't get points in the admissions game for being a frequent SDN poster 😉

Not what I was asking. I was leaning more towards the side of hiding my activity completely 😀.
 
The prehealth advisor at my undergrad hated SDN. The Michigan admissions director also admonishes SDN when I went there for the interview, but he does also seem to think there's an occasional positive.
My pre-health advisor told me to go to SDN, actually.

Re: Public declarations of SDN-affiliation
Almost none of you have an SDN mug that you fill with tea in admissions on interview days.😎
 
I have to agree with Nick; no offense GTLO, but if you're spending 4 hours a week on here, how much of that time is actually moderating? Chances are most of it is just wasting time like the rest of us, albeit learning a few things here and there while doing so 😉.
 
I have to agree with Nick; no offense GTLO, but if you're spending 4 hours a week on here, how much of that time is actually moderating? Chances are most of it is just wasting time like the rest of us, albeit learning a few things here and there while doing so 😉.
Haha fair enough, but at the very least I spend an hour a week actively moderating/discussing modly business with my brethren. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I think the idea is that being objectively deemed a level-headed user is, unfortunately, saying something when it comes to SDN. But I'd be interested in hearing ksmi's reasoning; I'd actually planned to ask her about it in the future, but since it's come up on its own here...
 
It's gotta be that, not the 40 MCAT and 4.00 GPA. 👍👍

I wasn't suggesting it was the reason that got her accepted. Just saying the reputation of SDN was probably different back in the day because I can't imagine anyone brave enough to mention SDN on their AMCAS now :laugh:
 
I wasn't suggesting it was the reason that got her accepted. Just saying the reputation of SDN was probably different back in the day because I can't imagine anyone brave enough to mention SDN on their AMCAS now :laugh:

Have you seen recent threads today versus a few years ago? It's depressing.

/nostalgia
 
Have you seen recent threads today versus a few years ago? It's depressing.

/nostalgia
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It's not just the trolling. It's the quality of the overall discussion and the individual replies in the non-trolling threads that really sticks out. The percentage of useless one-liners, pics, and other generally unhelpful commentary is exponentially higher now compared to several years ago.
 
It's not just the trolling. It's the quality of the overall discussion and the individual replies in the non-trolling threads that really sticks out. The percentage of useless one-liners, pics, and other generally unhelpful commentary is exponentially higher now compared to several years ago.
This is definitely true. I don't think it's something specific to SDN though. Memes, etc, have really taken off over the past year or so and they're invading into pretty much every aspect of the internet (ex. Facebook, forums, etc). Heck, I even see memes (and meme-like responses) in the real world now. It's funny sometimes (and in the proper context), but after a point, it just gets annoying.
 
I wasn't suggesting it was the reason that got her accepted. Just saying the reputation of SDN was probably different back in the day because I can't imagine anyone brave enough to mention SDN on their AMCAS now :laugh:

Alright, that's true enough. But this person applied for the 2009 cycle - I haven't been around so long, so I can't comment on whether the situation has deteriorated since then, but it does seem a rather brave move to put in. Some of the adcoms wouldn't even know what it is, and there's no telling if the ones who do know have a favorable opinion.

I do tell people about this site, but generally only pre-meds who are slightly neurotic and probably would have found it anyway. SDN is awesome for people who are a year or more away from submitting their application, because if they're willing to do some research, they can find what to do to become a unique applicant and how to study/what to use to study for the MCAT. And as already mentioned, it's great when you're applying, as well. It has certainly cut down on my anxiety, not being in the dark about interviews and secondaries.
 
Have you seen recent threads today versus a few years ago? It's depressing.

/nostalgia

The residency forums, and occasionally medical student forums, are much more pleasant to read. Go read some of the anesthesiology threads (especially the stickies). It really feels like a brotherhood where everyone genuinely tries to help each other out and give exceptional advice to those whose shoes they once wore. There are rarely trolls or excessive meme-ing, and when trolls do arise they are generally ignored. Here troll threads stay at the top of the forum for days cause everyone's got to post their own :troll: and oversized jpeg.

By reading some of the threads from early 2000s it's clear that pre-allo used to be a much better place. I think it's just too crowded now. Facebook used to be much better too--back when you had to have a .edu address and it was actually used to connect with people rather than merely indulge your narcissism.

I stick around for the occasional useful pre-allo thread, but mostly to utilize the school-specific threads and research potential career options by browsing residency forums as a spectator.
 
It's not just the trolling. It's the quality of the overall discussion and the individual replies in the non-trolling threads that really sticks out. The percentage of useless one-liners, pics, and other generally unhelpful commentary is exponentially higher now compared to several years ago.

This is a great point.

This is definitely true. I don't think it's something specific to SDN though. Memes, etc, have really taken off over the past year or so and they're invading into pretty much every aspect of the internet (ex. Facebook, forums, etc). Heck, I even see memes (and meme-like responses) in the real world now. It's funny sometimes (and in the proper context), but after a point, it just gets annoying.

That's probably true, however I'll point out that the degradation has not really extended to most of the other forums (hSDN, Allo, Research, Residency forums, etc). Only Pre-Allo seems to be affected. It's unfortunate because I'm willing to bet that this is the forum that drives the most traffic to SDN to begin with and has the most active users and probably the largest wealth of information available.

I think that one of the problems is that in the past if someone didn't know what the OP was asking for, or simply didn't have much useful to offer, they would probably not reply to the thread. Today everyone feels compelled to say something, anything, whether or not it's helpful, relevant, or contains an intelligible sentence or even words at all.

The residency forums, and occasionally medical student forums, are much more pleasant to read. Go read some of the anesthesiology threads (especially the stickies). It really feels like a brotherhood where everyone genuinely tries to help each other out and give exceptional advice to those whose shoes they once wore. There are rarely trolls or excessive meme-ing, and when trolls do arise they are generally ignored. Here troll threads stay at the top of the forum for days cause everyone's got to post their own :troll: and oversized jpeg.

By reading some of the threads from early 2000s it's clear that pre-allo used to be a much better place. I think it's just too crowded now. Facebook used to be much better too--back when you had to have a .edu address and it was actually used to connect with people rather than merely indulge your narcissism.

I stick around for the occasional useful pre-allo thread, but mostly to utilize the school-specific threads and research potential career options by browsing residency forums as a spectator.

You make good points. Pretty much SDN, the pre allo section at least, must succumb to the same drawbacks every site does when more and more users begin to use the service but there's no kind of selection process (which I think is a good decision, to be clear).

I'm actually starting to slowly migrate towards reading the Allo section more and some of the research threads and stuff so I definitely agree that other forums have stood up better. The residency forum is really freaking awesome to read since there's not a lot of mindless stupidity but at the same time they post less frequently and typically do not discuss things that I have experienced or will experience for quite some time.

Even the pre-allo section is mostly good. I just think it can be depressing to see where it's come from, where it's at, and where it's likely going.
 
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I think that one of the problems is that in the past if someone didn't know what the OP was asking for, or simply didn't have much useful to offer, they would probably not reply to the thread. Today everyone feels compelled to say something, anything, whether or not it's helpful, relevant, or contains an intelligible sentence or even words at all.

It's all about the post count, man.

I wouldn't let the last few months color your opinion of pre-allo. While I agree that it was more valuable in the past, we're also in the middle of the summer, which seems to cause a huge influx of *****s that do nothing but start stupid threads and intentionally troll (something you're obviously aware of). The amount of trolling and stupid posts is getting on my nerves too.

I think to some extent SDN is approaching maturity. There's so much information in the forum that, with some time spent searching, you can almost assuredly find the answer to any question you have. The problem is that 1) the material isn't organized well (i.e., you have to search for it, and the BB search algorithm is absolutely horrible) and 2) people refuse to search for it (something I've mentioned before).

Something that I wanted to do was create a pre-allo "quick start" guide - a collection of links organized by individual questions that new users could either check out on their own or be referred to when they post dumb threads. Unfortunately I never got around to it because I ran out of time, but I'll start a thread and see where it goes. If something like that was updated every once and a while and stickied, I think that would make the forum infinitely more helpful and cut down on the chaff.

I think the especially veteran users are clamoring for a time when SDN was perhaps a smaller community that was much more... professional might be the word? Unfortunately with growth you see an increase in both users that contribute and users that bring the forum down. While there might be an increase in the amount of crap that has come to the community, I would bet big money that there's also been in an increase in the number of members that contribute very helpful content.

As for the images with no text... well, I'm one of the bigger offenders there. I just find them hilarious. I've noticed that most of the times when those images are posted (by me or anyone else) they're posted in a thread that we all know is going nowhere. That doesn't excuse the behavior - and if the goal is to make the standard of behavior significantly more professional than this would have to be done with altogether - but it's not as if legitimately useful threads or threads that ask decent questions are being derailed. In other words, yes, there's stupid stuff that gets posted, but I don't think that it interferes with the more legitimate and useful part of the site.
 
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It's all about the post count, man.

I wouldn't let the last few months color your opinion of pre-allo. While I agree that it was more valuable in the past, we're also in the middle of the summer, which seems to cause a huge influx of *****s that do nothing but start stupid threads and intentionally troll (something you're obviously aware of). The amount of trolling and stupid posts is getting on my nerves too.

I think to some extent SDN is approaching maturity. There's so much information in the forum that, with some time spent searching, you can almost assuredly find the answer to any question you have. The problem is that 1) the material isn't organized well (i.e., you have to search for it, and the BB search algorithm is absolutely horrible) and 2) people refuse to search for it (something I've mentioned before).

Something that I wanted to do was create a pre-allo "quick start" guide - a collection of links organized by individual questions that new users could either check out on their own or be referred to when they post dumb threads. Unfortunately I never got around to it because I ran out of time, but I'll start a thread and see where it goes. If something like that was updated every once and a while and stickied, I think that would make the forum infinitely more helpful and cut down on the chaff.

I think the especially veteran users are clamoring for a time when SDN was perhaps a smaller community that was much more... professional might be the word? Unfortunately with growth you see an increase in both users that contribute and users that bring the forum down. While there might be an increase in the amount of crap that has come to the community, I would bet big money that there's also been in an increase in the number of members that contribute very helpful content.

As for the images with no text... well, I'm one of the bigger offenders there. I just find them hilarious. I've noticed that most of the times when those images are posted (by me or anyone else) they're posted in a thread that we all know is going nowhere. That doesn't excuse the behavior - and if the goal is to make the standard of behavior significantly more professional than this would have to be done with altogether - but it's not as if legitimately useful threads or threads that ask decent questions are being derailed. In other words, yes, there's stupid stuff that gets posted, but I don't think that it interferes with the more legitimate and useful part of the site.

Yeah perhaps we're just really starting to feel exhausted after a summer long stretch of pretty useless content. I agree with everything you're saying (both about maturation and the searching). Check your PM I have an idea for you (I'm actually typing the PM now so check in 10min 😛)

About the images with no text, I know the threads you're talking about and those aren't the ones I was talking about. Those mindnumbingly stupid threads don't really deserve a thought-out sentence to be honest but I do wish we'd just let them fall off the first page and die rather than let the OP know exactly how stupid their post is (which is still pretty fun).

To be honest, I think it's too late to make this forum more professional again. Often times this means showing restraint but the users that show the least restraint are the ones that are most visible and effectively set the "culture" for new members and those that just lurk. Is it just me though? You don't kind of envy the way the forum was 3 years ago?
 
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