Secondaries and weak research?

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derrick rose

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Hi all.

My application is fairly strong in most areas...except for research. I have only managed to be part of a laboratory for the past year helping out with participant testing and data collection, but nothing near writing a paper.

Only in the past month have I started a role in a research project with a masters student. She has already done most of the work (including gathering data/testing participants), so my role is fairly superficial in the big picture. I am taking on the role to organize, manage, and interpret the abundance of data. This is still a large task though and should take 200-250 hours to complete. It is through a directed studies (course credit) if that adds anything.

Clearly, this is a role in research that did not have much to do with the initial/creative processes in developing the project. I find that this could be problematic with medical schools, as they want students to discuss the research in depth and sometimes even why a certain hypothesis was chosen. How do I approach this if I did not contribute to the hypothesis or the synthesis of the research protocol at all? In addition, I will not be writing up the paper 🙁.

I am very enthusiastic about research, but at my school the opportunities are not so abundant and I did not land the type of position on a project that would entail writing a paper and going through the scientific process. Don't get me wrong though, I understand the scientific process thoroughly and part of my directed studies (the course credit part) is to search the literature and submit a few essays discussing aspects of the project.

1) Is this type of role in research still considered "research" for most medical schools?

2) For research heavy schools, would it be to my benefit or detriment to discuss the lack of research but the recently increased involvement and interest for the field?
 
Participation in research is research. I don't think it's very realistic to expect an undergraduate student to carry out a project from conception to data analysis. I also don't think it's realistic on YOUR part to say that you won't be able to discuss the project or its hypotheses, just because you didn't come up with them yourself. Have you never met with the PI or other staff? Have you never been to a group meeting? Did you not talk about the purpose of the project before you joined?
 
Participation in research is research. I don't think it's very realistic to expect an undergraduate student to carry out a project from conception to data analysis. I also don't think it's realistic on YOUR part to say that you won't be able to discuss the project or its hypotheses, just because you didn't come up with them yourself. Have you never met with the PI or other staff? Have you never been to a group meeting? Did you not talk about the purpose of the project before you joined?

We did discuss the research, but I feel a bit out of the loop because my participation in the project is so extremely independent. Maybe thats a better way to put it.

As for if this research is considered "research" for medical schools, I guess I am trying to also say that the amount of research I have done thus far has been fairly insignificant. I hear all the time of people posting on sdn with phenomenal applications that are very well-rounded and they even manage to be a part of 5-10 papers! Applying to these research heavy schools is making me extremely nervous because I definitely feel that my application is solid in all regards, yet my research component seems to pale in comparison. That leads on to my second question...Is it worth me mentioning that my experience with research has not been the best so far, but I have recently increased my involvement and interest?
 
Don't let SDN dismay you. Disproportionate amount of 34+ 3.8+ applicants here. Don't say it "hasn't been the best" as much as emphasize how you are currently learning and engaging more with research projects
 
We did discuss the research, but I feel a bit out of the loop because my participation in the project is so extremely independent. Maybe thats a better way to put it.

As for if this research is considered "research" for medical schools, I guess I am trying to also say that the amount of research I have done thus far has been fairly insignificant. I hear all the time of people posting on sdn with phenomenal applications that are very well-rounded and they even manage to be a part of 5-10 papers! Applying to these research heavy schools is making me extremely nervous because I definitely feel that my application is solid in all regards, yet my research component seems to pale in comparison. That leads on to my second question...Is it worth me mentioning that my experience with research has not been the best so far, but I have recently increased my involvement and interest?

If you can discuss the overall goals of the project, and how what you are doing fits in with that, you're fine. I wouldn't downplay your research or "apologize" for it at all in your app. Just be direct in describing it.
 
I echo what has been said - getting exposure to research is the most important part of research participation. Most schools don't expect you to publish; however, top schools will generally have a bigger pool of published candidates to choose from.
 
To summarize what has been said so far, it seems to be of consensus to not mention/compensate for my not-so-exceptional research involvement in a secondary application unless explicitly asked?
 
In looking over MSAR at least 90% of matriculants have done some research. getting a publication is not required. Schools just want to know what you understand scientific principles. You might get dinged at the research powerhouses, but overall, I think that you'll be just fine!

I turn the floor back to my learned colleague.

While many applicants perform research, it is not a formal requirement at the majority of medical schools. Some feel it is "expected" of students but I deal with many students who successfully apply without ever setting foot in a research lab. If you are a strong candidate, you should be find with minimal research
 
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