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What does this mean to you wanting to get into healthcare? Please don't kill/move this thread.

With that said, I want hard core facts and numbers on what is the difference between the two candidates plans. Hillary is saying she wants everyone to buy into the system. If the person doesn't they get penalized. Ok, my question is this. How much will these "forced" premiums be? Are we talking about 100 dollars a month or 25 bucks a month? That is a big difference between someone on minimum wage and someone who is not.
Lastly, what is Barack's plan along with its cost?
 
I don't know all the details in terms of the premiums etc. because it seems that neither of them have disclosed the proposed premiums, though they both claim they will subsidize premiums for those who can't afford them so that they are "affordable." Now, what affordable means to everyone is obviously a little different, so I'm not sure how that would work out.

Obama's and Clinton's plans are different in that Clinton's plan mandates that everyone has to get health insurance where as Obama's doesn't (although Obama's plan does mandate coverage for children). Clinton loves to bring up this difference during nearly every opportunity she gets, but the plans aren't terribly different.

Most important is that neither of these plans will ever be passed by congress in anything near their current forms once the AMA, AHA and insurance industry lobbyists get to work on it, so I think it's a bit silly that a lot of people/voters are getting caught up on the minuscule differences between the plans. Therefore, I don't think either of them will mean very much to us future as physicians. However, we should expect that Medicare reimbursements (and those of private insurers who often base their reimbursements off of what Medicare pays) will continue to decline or at least not increase enough to keep up with inflation. Both of these trends have unfortunately been going on for sometime now.
 
I understand what this means for us as future physicians, but what about for those who arent? For those who are middle class?
 
Most important is that neither of these plans will ever be passed by congress in anything near their current forms once the AMA, AHA and insurance industry lobbyists get to work on it, so I think it's a bit silly that a lot of people/voters are getting caught up on the minuscule differences between the plans.

Exactly what I was going to say. People seem to forget that there are three branches of government, each with a different purpose. This issue (and a lot of other issues being discussed) are not executive issues, but legislative issues. So, you'd be better off looking at your Senators and Representatives, and where they stand on these issues.

That said, you can see a side-by-side comparison of Clinton's/Obama's healthcare plans at: http://www.health08.org/sidebyside_results.cfm?c=11&c=16
 
Public financing of health care results in physicians been paid with public money, which means physician salary will fall.
 
Most important is that neither of these plans will ever be passed by congress in anything near their current forms once the AMA, AHA and insurance industry lobbyists get to work on it, so I think it's a bit silly that a lot of people/voters are getting caught up on the minuscule differences between the plans.

Agreed. What most premeds seem to forget is that, despite all the "we care about the uninsured" election year ads from the AMA, they are still answerable to their membership (just like a politician answers to his constituents). They are not about to screw over the people who pay dues for people who don't. It's not a public service organization, it's basically an union. They will quietly work to kill this along with the other lobbies that would lose out in the long and short term if we were to follow the ideas of a bunch of clueless liberals. Between the AMA, AHA, the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, among others this pie-in-the-sky crap will likely not happen. Thank God.
 
My favorite quote from Hilary is that she wants to make Health care Universal, but build on the current format. How does that work exactly?
 
My favorite quote from Hilary is that she wants to make Health care Universal, but build on the current format. How does that work exactly?
It's called bull****. Just like all of Obama's pointless rambling using a smokescreen called "hope".
 
It's called bull****. Just like all of Obama's pointless rambling using a smokescreen called "hope".

Don't forget he's all about "CHANGE". F*$% if anyone knows what he wants to change though, but most people seem to beleive that all change must be for the best, even if the person proposing it won't take a stance on what he's going to change ["Hope" to "change" should be his motto/campaign slogan :meanie:]
 
Don't forget he's all about "CHANGE". F*$% if anyone knows what he wants to change though, but most people seem to beleive that all change must be for the best, even if the person proposing it won't take a stance on what he's going to change ["Hope" to "change" should be his motto/campaign slogan :meanie:]
Personally, I would like the slogan of, "Hillary, I was wrong. You take the nomination over me." Well, 8 days to find out if my slogan becomes true.
 
This is not a republican Democrat debate. So please save that for some political forum. I believe that both candidates don't want to hurt doctors but rather try and get health insurance companies out of the picture, which I sure the hell wouldn't mind. With that said, are there plans SOOO bad for doctors? I really don't know. That is why I want to see the numbers.

Again, I am trying to figure out the intricacies so save the personal opinions on politics to a minimum.
 
It's called bull****. Just like all of Obama's pointless rambling using a smokescreen called "hope".

The real bull**** is electing a candidate who rode on her husband's coattails and has accomplished nothing on her own, other than figuring out how to take a ****load of lobbyist cash.
 
What does this mean to you wanting to get into healthcare? Please don't kill/move this thread.

With that said, I want hard core facts and numbers on what is the difference between the two candidates plans. Hillary is saying she wants everyone to buy into the system. If the person doesn't they get penalized. Ok, my question is this. How much will these "forced" premiums be? Are we talking about 100 dollars a month or 25 bucks a month? That is a big difference between someone on minimum wage and someone who is not.
Lastly, what is Barack's plan along with its cost?

Has every internet search engine gone down?
 
An article from Saturday's Wall Street Journal:



Clinton, Obama Split On Insurance Mandate

By LAURA MECKLER
February 23, 2008; Page A5

WASHINGTON -- Among the sharpest policy disputes between Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is whether all Americans should be required to get health insurance, as Sen. Clinton proposes. She has said repeatedly that her plan is the only one that would cover everyone.


Now, after months on the defense, Sen. Obama is hitting back by emphasizing the downside of her policy: mandating insurance means penalties for those who fail to get it. His policy requires parents to insure their children, with penalties for those who don't, but his mandate is much less sweeping than the one proposed by Mrs. Clinton, which affects all Americans.
The Illinois senator has hit the point hard in fliers mailed to voters' homes and in a televised debate Thursday night. "In order for you to force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh, stiff penalty. And Sen. Clinton has said that we will go after their wages," Mr. Obama said during the debate broadcast on CNN.
If Mrs. Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, the New York senator is sure to hear similar points from the Republicans this fall.
It is a powerful argument that shows how dangerous it can be to give details about health reform. Making major change to the American health-care system involves trade-offs. In hopes of achieving universal coverage, both Mrs. Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards, who dropped out of the presidential race, issued plans that would require punishing people who fail to get insurance.
This dispute aside, the Democrats' health plans are remarkably similar. Both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama would let people keep the insurance they have. They both would offer new options, including a Medicare-like government-run plan, with subsidies based on income. Both would require large employers to provide coverage or help pay for it, and would require insurance companies to take all comers.
But the question of the mandate remains a great dividing point that the Clinton campaign has been trying to exploit since last year.
Her policy is based on a sense of shared responsibility, with employers, individuals and government all given new burdens. Further, absent a requirement to buy insurance, some, such as young, healthy people who don't think insurance is worth the cost, will fail to buy it and remain uninsured.
And healthy people, who are relatively inexpensive to cover, are needed in the insurance pool to balance out sick people, who are expensive to cover. If healthy people aren't in the pool, everyone with insurance pays a "hidden tax" to cover the uninsured when they can't pay their health-care bills, Mrs. Clinton said Thursday.
Her health-policy adviser, Chris Jennings, argues that hers is the responsible plan. "Hillary Clinton made the policy choice, not the political choice," he said.
Indeed, she holds the upper hand with many health-care-policy experts, who agree that a mandate is the only way to assure that everyone has health coverage, short of a government-run, single-payer system. They say that without a requirement, as many as 15 million Americans will remain uninsured.
Mr. Obama responds that people will buy insurance if it is affordable. Both candidates have a series of ideas for reducing health-care costs. Mr. Obama's plan takes a big step aimed at bringing down the price tag by shifting some costs of some of the most-expensive patients to the federal government.
"My belief is the reason that people don't have it is not because they don't want it, but because they can't afford it," he said. Once the cost comes down, he said, there will be few people left without insurance. If people are gaming the system and purposefully not buying coverage, he said, he will consider a requirement down the line.
The Clinton camp thinks his plan smacks of hypocrisy: if Mr. Obama is willing to punish parents who fail cover their kids, why not everyone else? And since he is promising to make insurance affordable, then why would a mandate be such a burden on Americans? They also note that Mr. Obama and his advisers have said they would be open to a mandate if one is needed.
Mr. Obama is pressing his case in fliers mailed to voter homes in Ohio and other states. "Hillary's health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it," the flier says. "Is that the best we can do for families struggling with high health care costs?"
The flier features a photo of a couple at their kitchen table -- an image that reminded some of the insurance industry's "Harry and Louise" ads that helped sink the plan Mrs. Clinton helped develop during her husband's presidency.
Jacob Hacker, a political scientist at Yale University who advised both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama on their health plans, has said a mandate is important but its importance is being overstated. If the government works to automatically enroll people into a health-care system, he said, many will sign up even without a mandate.
Still, he said, Mrs. Clinton deserves credit for staking a position that is so politically risky. "A lot of things that the health-policy experts agree need to be done are ideas that, by themselves, are overwhelmingly not that popular and carry political risks."
 
this is probably as detailed as youre going to get: http://www.health08.org/sidebyside_results.cfm?c=11&c=16

But seriously, like someone else pointed out, the details dont matter. This whole thing is in the hands of the legislative branch. It comes down to this: Clinton wants to force us to buy insurance, Barack recommends "change".
 
Has every internet search engine gone down?


Don't you have a patient to attend to?

In any event I read the babble. I want to know how much exactly they are going to ask people to pay. Especially from the aspect of the Hillary plan which forces everyone to purchase it. Meaning, lets look at minimum wage. A person working a full schedule on minimum wage would earn a take home of about 900 -1000 dollars a month if not a little more or less. Ok, so if we are forcing them to pay 35 bucks for single and per se 65 for family that might not be too bad to swallow. If it is 200 dollars or something like that then ok Obama has a point.

I mean these candidates talk about the differences of the health-care plan is what "the people" are going to have to pay out of pocket.

Now furthermore, I believe the insurance companies shouldn't exsist and which candadate most immediately calls for their (insurance) deaths.
 
Don't you have a patient to attend to?

In any event I read the babble. I want to know how much exactly they are going to ask people to pay. Especially from the aspect of the Hillary plan which forces everyone to purchase it. Meaning, lets look at minimum wage. A person working a full schedule on minimum wage would earn a take home of about 900 -1000 dollars a month if not a little more or less. Ok, so if we are forcing them to pay 35 bucks for single and per se 65 for family that might not be too bad to swallow. If it is 200 dollars or something like that then ok Obama has a point.

I mean these candidates talk about the differences of the health-care plan is what "the people" are going to have to pay out of pocket.

Now furthermore, I believe the insurance companies shouldn't exsist and which candadate most immediately calls for their (insurance) deaths.

Those details dont exist, but cost will largely be up to insurance companies as far as I can tell (with the exception of medicaid/medicare). But in speculating, Clinton says she'll encourage insurance companies to limit their profits (LOL). So insurance costs will likely stay the same as they are now, upwards of $200 (more for family plans).
 
The only thing that makes enthusiastic about the candidates is that theyre not a bush
 
Those details don't exist, but cost will largely be up to insurance companies as far as I can tell (with the exception of medicaid/medicare). But in speculating, Clinton says she'll encourage insurance companies to limit their profits (LOL). So insurance costs will likely stay the same as they are now, upwards of $200 (more for family plans).

See that is what I am talking about. Hillary's plan seems unrealistic. Telling insurance companies to limit profits? Is she freaking serious. See, this is what people are talking about, she got her butt smacked when she tried UHC the first time by insurance companies and now she is going to try and smooth them out. HiLLarious. Pun intended.

Ok, well for those of us becoming physicians wouldn't more people in the healthcare system be good for business rather than harmful? Has anyone thought about this perspective?
 
I don't know all the details in terms of the premiums etc. because it seems that neither of them have disclosed the proposed premiums, though they both claim they will subsidize premiums for those who can't afford them so that they are "affordable." Now, what affordable means to everyone is obviously a little different, so I'm not sure how that would work out.

Obama's and Clinton's plans are different in that Clinton's plan mandates that everyone has to get health insurance where as Obama's doesn't (although Obama's plan does mandate coverage for children). Clinton loves to bring up this difference during nearly every opportunity she gets, but the plans aren't terribly different.

t least not increase enough to keep up with inflation. Both of these trends have unfortunately been going on for sometime now.

Actually Obama's plan mandates that parents give insurance for their kids....so for children, under obama's plan, parents are required to get insurance for their children
 
Who cares about their plan?

The important thing is that Obama sounds like he is a part of the WWE. I would kill to have him say "Do you smell what the rock is cookin?!" or any other cheesy line.
 
The real bull**** is electing a candidate who rode on her husband's coattails and has accomplished nothing on her own, other than figuring out how to take a ****load of lobbyist cash.
This is true...personally I don't like either of the Democratic candidates, as I think they are (like most politicians) lying sacks of ****. Then again, I don't like McCain that much either, but I figure the lesser of three evils...

Don't forget he's all about "CHANGE". F*$% if anyone knows what he wants to change though, but most people seem to beleive that all change must be for the best, even if the person proposing it won't take a stance on what he's going to change ["Hope" to "change" should be his motto/campaign slogan :meanie:]
*invokes Godwin's Law* Hitler was also all about change too and we all know how well that turned out.

The important thing is that Obama sounds like he is a part of the WWE. I would kill to have him say "Do you smell what the Rock is cookin?!" or any other cheesy line.
Damn...it wouldn't take that much to get me to kill.....oh, wait....I didn't mean that...I meant.......oh, never mind.
 
What are the physician salaries like in countries with universal healthcare?
 
What are the physician salaries like in countries with universal healthcare?
Not as good as they are here in a country without it. I believe in some countries in Europe that they are approximately half of what we see now in the US. I do not have the time (nor the motivation) to look this up, but I'm sure someone on here does.
 
Don't you have a patient to attend to?

Not today. But thanks for caring.

axlaxl1 said:
In any event I read the babble. I want to know how much exactly they are going to ask people to pay.

Nobody knows that; it's not how this sort of proposal works. It's suicide to generate something with too many details this far in advance. The opposition wouldhave months to pick them apart and fuel a counter-campaign of fear and doom.

If you want to look at anything that even approximates Hillary's proposal, look at the plan that Massachusetts enacted under Romney (although he'd never admit their similarities). It requires everyone in the state to purchase insurance, with subsidies for those with low income. It's eerily similar to Hillary's proposal, only on a state level.
 
What are the physician salaries like in countries with universal healthcare?

All over the board. The US has the highest averages, but we also have the worst hours and the most time spent dealing with overhead. Australia, The Netherlands and Canada have relatively high averages. Italy, Denmark, Spain and Germany have very low averages. France and the UK are in between.

Physician salary is determined by many complex factors, and the huge variation in salary between nations with universal healthcare suggests that the universality itself is not the determining component.

If anything, UHC in this country would likely result in an increase in physician salaries through the elimination of uncompensated care... at least transiently.

And before anyone says anything, check out this 2006 article Ontario gov't defends jump in doctors' salaries. The numbers look ridiculously high because they are measured before expenses. Still, in contrast to the U.S., Canada's physician reimbursement is heading up.
 
Without doing more research we'd not really know the impact of Universal healthcare on physican salary. But, here's what Wiki has to say about it. I'm sure that there is a lot involved in determining the physician salaries than a simple statement of "Universal healthcare = lower physician salary". Read under the heading "Impact on physicians".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly-funded_health_care
 
Without doing more research we'd not really know the impact of Universal healthcare on physican salary. But, here's what Wiki has to say about it. I'm sure that there is a lot involved in determining the physician salaries than a simple statement of "Universal healthcare = lower physician salary". Read under the heading "Impact on physicians".

In addition to being biased, that article is not about universal health care, per se, it's about public funding of health care. For the universal health care entry, try here.

With regards to public funding being evil, the United States already spends more public money per capita on health care than any other nation; and that's before we get into private funding and out-of-pocket funding. All this money, and we still have a fragmented system with almost 50 million uninsured. In 2004 the numbers looked like this:

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Feeling screwed yet?
 
In addition to being biased, that article is not about universal health care, per se, it's about public funding of health care. For the universal health care entry, try here.

With regards to public funding being evil, the United States already spends more public money per capita on health care than any other nation; and that's before we get into private funding and out-of-pocket funding. All this money, and we still have a fragmented system with almost 50 million uninsured. In 2004 the numbers looked like this:

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Feeling screwed yet?

Not adjusted for population? But still, i get ya.
 
In addition to being biased, that article is not about universal health care, per se, it's about public funding of health care. For the universal health care entry, try here.

With regards to public funding being evil, the United States already spends more public money per capita on health care than any other nation; and that's before we get into private funding and out-of-pocket funding. All this money, and we still have a fragmented system with almost 50 million uninsured. In 2004 the numbers looked like this:

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Feeling screwed yet?

Yes, this is a shame. Who is primarily to blame. I am saying the insurance companies and lawyers.
 
1) They both suck.

2) Hopefully, there will still be people in Congress with enough sense to vote against this nonsense. Even if you hate the republicans, at least they don't go for this crap.

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Not adjusted for population? But still, i get ya.

More importantly, why are they adjusting for cost of living? I'm trying to wrap my head around that bit of data manip...
 
More importantly, why are they adjusting for cost of living? I'm trying to wrap my head around that bit of data manip...

Different countries, different currencies. Pretty standard in measuring costs in different nations.
 
Different countries, different currencies. Pretty standard in measuring costs in different nations.
Yeah? Not sure about that. They're not just adjusting for differences in currencies by standardizing against the US dollar using exchange rates, but rather adjusting for cost of living.

I'd like to see this comparison without that adjustment.
 
Yeah? Not sure about that. They're not just adjusting for differences in currencies by standardizing against the US dollar using exchange rates, but rather adjusting for cost of living.

I'd like to see this comparison without that adjustment.

It's a direct correlation. It's not a linear relationship either. Some currencies fall faster than others and the cost of living increases more. Some are stable (like the US dollar for a while). Your currency dictates your cost of living, hence the word cost.
 
More importantly, why are they adjusting for cost of living? I'm trying to wrap my head around that bit of data manip...

Because $1,000 in a U.S. hospital will get you a physical exam and two bags of saline. Change that into rupees and you can have a luxury multi-night stay in a high end Indian hospital.
 
You may also appreciate cost of living issues within the context of medical tourism:

Excerpt from Medical tourism growing worldwide

For many medical tourists, though, the real attraction is price. The cost of surgery in India, Thailand or South Africa can be one-tenth of what it is in the United States or Western Europe, and sometimes even less. A heart-valve replacement that would cost $200,000 or more in the U.S., for example, goes for $10,000 in India--and that includes round-trip airfare and a brief vacation package. Similarly, a metal-free dental bridge worth $5,500 in the U.S. costs $500 in India, a knee replacement in Thailand with six days of physical therapy costs about one-fifth of what it would in the States, and Lasik eye surgery worth $3,700 in the U.S. is available in many other countries for only $730. Cosmetic surgery savings are even greater: A full facelift that would cost $20,000 in the U.S. runs about $1,250 in South Africa.
 
A person working a full schedule on minimum wage would earn a take home of about 900 -1000 dollars a month if not a little more or less. Ok, so if we are forcing them to pay 35 bucks for single and per se 65 for family that might not be too bad to swallow. If it is 200 dollars or something like that then ok Obama has a point.

The point being that they should just go without?
 
I just want to make a point to all the liberals and those complaining about corporate greed...
The insurance industry as a WHOLE (not just for healthcare) in this country is expected to make about $60 billion a year. Quick google search so I'm not sure how accurate that is.
The cost of healthcare in this country is about $4-5 trillion.
So even if the health insurance companies made $60 billion a year...that is about 1% of the total cost of healthcare...or $180 a person...
And while we all hate the insurance companies and stuff...WOULD THE GOVERNMENT DO A BETTER JOB AT CONTROLLING COSTS? Everyone likes to joke about how toilet seats costs on a Navy ship...if you heard that one..or maybe this one.
3 people are asked to submit bids to a senator to build a fence in Washington DC.
The first guy offers to build it for $2000 so they ask the other guy.
He says he can do it for $1000. The Senator is intrigued but the third guy comes up to him and says "I'll do it for $3000."
The Senator goes "Why sir why would I ever pay you so much more than the second guy."
The contractor goes "We'll hire the second guy to build it for a thousand. Then I'll give you a thousand and keep a thousand for myself."
"Done."

Ahhhh
To really think that the government will do a better job at controlling costs than a free-market economy. Not to mention the pharmaceutical companies would really really love to bring new drugs into the pipeline when they amount they can charge for their drugs will be stipulated by govt mandates. So great for reseach....
What was it someone told me the other day: The city of Seattle has more MRI Machines than all of Canada.
 
Yes, this is a shame. Who is primarily to blame. I am saying the insurance companies and lawyers.
Sure, but you also have to notice that we spend just as much through our government as those socialized nations do. Yet while their programs cover everybody, ours (medicare/caid) only cover a minority.
 
Not true. Makes all your arguments and jokes ******ed.

Well just going by the graph that was posted: "Per capita costs", it's still in the trillions:

300,000,000 * $6,000 = 1.8x10^12 = 1800000000000
or 1.8 trillion or thereabouts...

So you're right, and yeah, I blame the insurance companies along with the administrative costs.
 
I just want to make a point to all the liberals and those complaining about corporate greed...
The insurance industry as a WHOLE (not just for healthcare) in this country is expected to make about $60 billion a year. Quick google search so I'm not sure how accurate that is.
The cost of healthcare in this country is about $4-5 trillion.
So even if the health insurance companies made $60 billion a year...that is about 1% of the total cost of healthcare...or $180 a person...
And while we all hate the insurance companies and stuff...WOULD THE GOVERNMENT DO A BETTER JOB AT CONTROLLING COSTS? Everyone likes to joke about how toilet seats costs on a Navy ship...if you heard that one..or maybe this one.
3 people are asked to submit bids to a senator to build a fence in Washington DC.
The first guy offers to build it for $2000 so they ask the other guy.
He says he can do it for $1000. The Senator is intrigued but the third guy comes up to him and says "I'll do it for $3000."
The Senator goes "Why sir why would I ever pay you so much more than the second guy."
The contractor goes "We'll hire the second guy to build it for a thousand. Then I'll give you a thousand and keep a thousand for myself."
"Done."

Ahhhh
To really think that the government will do a better job at controlling costs than a free-market economy. Not to mention the pharmaceutical companies would really really love to bring new drugs into the pipeline when they amount they can charge for their drugs will be stipulated by govt mandates. So great for reseach....
What was it someone told me the other day: The city of Seattle has more MRI Machines than all of Canada.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVJXVJfY90s[/YOUTUBE]
 
The real bull**** is electing a candidate who rode on her husband's coattails and has accomplished nothing on her own, other than figuring out how to take a ****load of lobbyist cash.

This really isn't true. Love or hate Hilary Rodham (she didn't want to change her last name and only did it for Bill's career because she was afraid her own achievements would be overlooked, lo and behold) she's a genius in her own right. She's accomplished quite a bit especially in the way of social issues and has a lot of experience. Whether this makes for a good president is the question, not if she's "accomplished nothing."
 
This really isn't true. Love or hate Hilary Rodham (she didn't want to change her last name and only did it for Bill's career because she was afraid her own achievements would be overlooked, lo and behold) she's a genius in her own right. She's accomplished quite a bit especially in the way of social issues and has a lot of experience. Whether this makes for a good president is the question, not if she's "accomplished nothing."
Well, Idi Amin also had a lot of experience with "social issues" and a lot of "experience" otherwise. It didn't turn out well. Same goes for other megalomaniacs through out history....
 
The insurance industry as a WHOLE (not just for healthcare) in this country is expected to make about $60 billion a year. Quick google search so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Not very accurate. That may be $60 billion in profits, but it is in no way reflective of revenue. In 2006 private health insurance shelled out $265 billion to hospitals, and that doesn't reflect the whole pie.

proteinpowda said:
The cost of healthcare in this country is about $4-5 trillion.

Nah, in 2006 it was a mere $2.1 trillion.

proteinpowda said:
So even if the health insurance companies made $60 billion a year...that is about 1% of the total cost of healthcare...or $180 a person...

See above.

proteinpowda said:
WOULD THE GOVERNMENT DO A BETTER JOB AT CONTROLLING COSTS?

Offhand, the experience of every other industrialized nation.

"After exclusions, administration accounted for 31.0 percent of health care expenditures in the United States and 16.7 percent of health care expenditures in Canada. Canada's national health insurance program had overhead of 1.3 percent; the overhead among Canada's private insurers was higher than that in the United States (13.2 percent vs. 11.7 percent)."

- from Costs of Health Care Administration in the United States and Canada

proteinpowda said:
Everyone likes to joke about how toilet seats costs on a Navy ship...

Wrong again, I hate that ******* joke, and unless you're implying some specific charge of corruption, it's completely irrelevant.

proteinpowda said:
What was it someone told me the other day: The city of Seattle has more MRI Machines than all of Canada.

And Japan has 50% more MRI scanners per million population (40.1) than we do (26.6). Better get those bags packed.
 
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