Severe iron deficiency anemia requiring IV iron - 4 or 5?

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How do you bill severe iron deficiency anemia requiring IV iron - level 5 or level 4? Will the fact that IV iron requires close monitoring for toxicity and that severe iron deficiency can cause long term threatened organ function make it qualify for a level 5? I have always been confused between a 4 and a 5 on this one.

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I think this one is very hard make a hard rule for an in reality if you ever get audited you will probably be arguing with someone the barely finished College about it.

I tend to look at whether they’ve recently required a transfusion or hospitalization my personal feeling is if you could justify that they have recently had emergency care for the issue then it’s more of a level 5 whereas if you’re just giving them intermittent IV iron because they get a tummy ache with FeSO4 then that’s probably more of a level 4.
 
Agree that this could easily go either way. Also agree that you're unlikely to get audited for it and if you do, you could easily justify your decision making.

That said, if it's somebody who's getting regular iron for some reason or another, I would just bill a 4 and move on with my day. I have a few people with long term needs for iron intermittently (Q2-12 months) and they do just fine if they get iron when needed. I'd have a hard time justifying those visits for a 99215. Of course, if I'm doing (or re-doing) a workup, or reviewing recent new labs/imaging/path then it's a 99215. But just for iron a 4 is appropriate.
 
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Agree that this could easily go either way. Also agree that you're unlikely to get audited for it and if you do, you could easily justify your decision making.
I once read (maybe on SDN I don’t remember) about a surgery department who had to go through *multiple* rounds of CMS appeals because their residents were dictating into the OR notes “attending was present/scrubbed for the entire procedure” and the auditors did not understand that the “entire procedure” included “all critical parts of the procedure.”

After reading that I haven’t counted on being able to easily justify anything at all.

I’m also curious how doing a workup or reviewing imaging/path upcodes you from a 4 to a 5 unless you’re doing it based on time? For me to bill a 5 based on reviewing data I almost always have to include a discussion with an outside doc like surgery or Rad Onc
 
I once read (maybe on SDN I don’t remember) about a surgery department who had to go through *multiple* rounds of CMS appeals because their residents were dictating into the OR notes “attending was present/scrubbed for the entire procedure” and the auditors did not understand that the “entire procedure” included “all critical parts of the procedure.”

After reading that I haven’t counted on being able to easily justify anything at all.

I’m also curious how doing a workup or reviewing imaging/path upcodes you from a 4 to a 5 unless you’re doing it based on time? For me to bill a 5 based on reviewing data I almost always have to include a discussion with an outside doc like surgery or Rad Onc
A lot depends on what I'm reviewing/referring/etc. It can often be down to time if the patient has a million questions and I have to call path to actually tell me what they saw and not "clinical correlation required". But it's not universal.

My point was primarily that just giving iron to someone not critically ill won't get you a level 5.
 
Not too long ago, I was debating if my IV iron's were supposed to be level 3 or level 4. I have since decided to always do level 4 for my IV irons. My IV iron note is also a dot phrase that I change 1-2 sentences for. The note takes me <30 seconds. I am scared to bill level 5 for that, but feel comfortable billing level 4
 
Always appreciate these questions and discussion since I feel continually lost in the coding wilderness and generally frustrated with the vagueness of the MDM criteria and how, uh, let’s just say "malleable" they can be for those highly motivated to bill at a certain level. Agree with everyone above. I think (in the absence of billing on time) the vast majority of IV irons are a 4 at best, and I can only think of rare instances where they would approach a 5. Breaking down by MDM element:


Element 1: Problems Addressed
Out of all the criteria, element 1 always feels the most open to interpretation to me, but even so I’m not sure how a hemodynamically stable patient with iron deficiency anemia would quality as “high” here unless you take a very generous interpretation of “chronic illnesses with severe exacerbation.” OP raised the point of whether severe iron deficiency potentially causing long-term organ dysfunction would qualify… in my mind if it would then couldn’t you say that about nearly every medical problem (“If I don’t control this SBP of 152 with lisinopril this patient may die of ESRD in 20 years!” --> 5)? The only instance I could think of that may qualify is a patient with anemia at a level requiring transfusion and/or admission but is refusing both, and you’re just trying to stem the tide as best you can with IV iron. So not impossible to hit “high,” but for the majority of the referrals I see I think it’s pretty rare.

Element 2: Data Reviewed
For me, I’d rarely hit either category 2 (independent interpretation of a test) or category 3 (direct discussion with another provider) to hit “high” here. Nearly all the cases are just reviewing old records/labs and ordering new labs, so “moderate” at best, feels pretty straightforward.

Element 3: Risk
IV iron is not a high risk medication. AMA guidelines state “a drug that requires intensive monitoring is a therapeutic agent that has the potential to cause serious morbidity or death. The monitoring is performed for assessment of these adverse effects and not primarily for assessment of therapeutic efficacy.” That last line meaning, yea, we check Hgb and iron stores 1.5-3 months after we given IV iron, but that doesn’t quality as “intensive monitoring” since the purpose of those labs is to monitor the therapeutic effect, not for any toxic side-effect. Maybe if you’re checking phos levels after injectafer (stretch), or you have a person that had a serious infusion reaction to IV iron in the past and you’re switching formulations? But aside from that it's just not a high risk med.


Thinking it out that way, I’m not sure how often (if ever) I’d have 2 of 3 elements land in the “high” category, so I just click 4 and call it a day.
 
The amount of documentation needed to make this a 99215 is far outweighed by the fact that I could write a 20 second note that supports it being 99214 and see 2 more 99213/99214s in that time.

It’s all well and good to maximize your billing, but sometimes it’s just not worth the effort.
 
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