Shameless Plug: Psychiatry Program at Indiana University SOM

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I browse these forums a lot, and now I decide it was time to start posting.

So, I’m throwing this down as I want to let everyone know how awesome IU Psychiatry Program is. There are many awesome things, and if I missed something, feel free to ask me.

The general stuff before I talk about the PGY years:

First, and foremost, we are located at the Neuroscience Center of Excellence, aka, Goodman Hall. This is a brand new building housing Neurosurgery, Neurology, and Psychiatry, and has clinics in addition for PM&R. This facility is super nice, we have plenty of space, our own huge rooms to see patients, have a multidisciplinary grand rounds(neurosurgery, neurology, psych and PM&R) and we have our own psychiatry grand rounds; also everything is high tech.


Major facilities that we use/rotate through and have at our disposal(since we are the only psychiatric program in the state, we have a domination in all the facilities)
-Goodman Hall/ Neuroscience Center of Excellence
-Larue State Psychiatric Hospital
-Veterans Affairs Hospital
-Eskenazi Hospital (brand new huge county hospital built last year)
-Midtown Mental Health
-University Hospital
-Riley Children’s Hospital
-Methodist Hospital


Faculty/Staff
-Definitely provide a good education
-Program director is very supportive of whatever ambitions you have, including research, organizational medicine, going into a whatever fellowship you desire, therapy, just clinic work or whatever the heck you can think of. Her goal is to get you to be the best possible psychiatrist, so when you go out into whatever you want to do, you can represent psychiatry well. In addition, she fights for the residents, as she is a huge proponent of education and not busy work. It’s pretty awesome how she really supports the residents. Lastly, if someone needs to go through residency part time, that is something that the PD is very open to.
-Opportunities to moonlight are vast if you decide this is something you want to do; our program director sees this as a great learning opportunity if you decide to do this.
-Some of the faculty rake in tons of grant money, and other faculty like to focus on clinical work.
-Our Chair is a huge TBI specialist, given talks at conferences, on NPR, etc.
-Additions fellowship program director also gives talks, goes on NPR, etc.
-We have a clinic called PARC: Prevention and Recovery Center for Early Psychosis. This clinic is one of few in the nation; really complicated and interesting cases


PGY years:
-ALL years have half day protected for didactics specific to their PGY year(regardless if you are off service)
-In addition: ALL years(regardless if you are off service) have 3 hours on Friday Protected for 1h for Grand Rounds, 1h Resident Business meeting, and 1 hour of all level PGY powerhour(kind of like didactics)
-Have plenty of interaction with the IU medical students for teaching if that’s what you like to do
-We have optional tracks if you want to go into Research or Education
-Awesome parking privileges 🙂


PGY 1: in no particular order:
-6 months of ACGME required non-psychiatric(off service) rotations: 1 month in Emergency Med, 3 months Internal Med, 2 Months Neurology
-6 months Inpatient (PGY 1 call only during these months)
2 months Inpatient Psych at Veterans Affairs Hospital
2 months Inpatient Psych at Larue State Psychiatric Hospital
2 months Inpatient Psych at Eskenazi Hospital



PGY 2: in no particular order:
-6 month block of outpatient:
Addiction Psychiatry(roughly 2 days/week), Geriatric Psychiatry(roughly 1 day/week), QI/Patient Safety(roughly 0.5 days/week), CBT(roughly 1 day/week)
-6 month block of:
Emergency Psychiatry, ECT, Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (inpatient), Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (Consult-Liaison), Adult Consult-Liaison Psychiatry, Forensic Psychiatry

PGY 3:
-All outpatient clinics of whatever you like. We have soooooo many options(because of so many facilities) its kind of awesome as we can be broad and try everything, or focus on certain areas, or try something that just tickles our fancy.
-1 required Clinic: 0.5 day/ week: Primary Care Clinic: its an Integrative Model of psychiatry. GPs/Non psych residents see patients, and if they cannot handle the mental health aspect of it, then you are right there in the clinic as the specialist to see the patient.
-Also, have 2 psychodynamic psychotherapy patients for this year
-Can get TMS certified as we have our own TMS machine in the Goodman Hall clinic
-We have 1 full day/week for elective time. Since we are housed in a multidisciplinary neuroscience building, we can coordinate with other specialties to be in their clinics (for example, if you have an interest in neuropsych, you can coordinate with neurology for some kind of neurology clinic)


PGY 4: ALL ELECTIVE TIME!!! ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO
- No sure exactly what to say here. Pretty self explanatory.


Call:
PGY 1: Usually once during the work week, sometimes twice during the work week, from 4:30pm to 10pm.
PGY 2: 24 hour call with the next day being post call, roughly every 6 days.
PGY3&4: back up call in case of emergency (roughly 2 weeks out of every 6 months)


Other stuff:
-Cost of living is ridiculously cheap! I cannot emphasize this enough!
-Feel free to ask questions. Or PM me if you want to ask something personal
-We do have a website also. I don’t know if I can post if here, but if you literally Google psychiatry indaina, you can find it. Lol.

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This actually made me add Indiana to my list. And here I was trying to trim my list down today before ERAS opens up Monday...
 
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Like IN321, I've been following SDN for many years but will join in this shameless plug for IU. Just wanted to add that, as an applicant, I basically applied to Cali and programs in the Northeast. I only applied to IU because my best friend in med school said I should check it out. Initially was like, whatever, I'll add it to my list. Pre-interviews it was at the bottom of list but after interviews shot up to my top 3. I feel very fortunate to be at this program. As my colleague mentioned above, the program is super supportive and the plethora of opportunities (be it inpatient units, clinics, research, etc.) was unmatched by most other programs I applied to. Feel free to PM for any questions. Good luck to everybody with the upcoming interviews and the Match.
 
hey OP, how about telling us more about what life is like in indianapolis

i want to do my residency in the same region i am going to practice in so try to sell your region as a great place for practicing psych
 
I was really trying to narrow my choices down, but nice plug, IN321! Got added to my list.
 
I'm glad you all are interested. As specifically for Sikkunt's post, as a resident, I cannot give you the best information about practicing after residency, but I can try to give you of what I have heard.

So basically, finding a job will not be hard at all. There are several huge mental health systems connected to huge hospital entities, which includes St. Vincent's, Community Health Hospital system, IU Health hospital System, Midtown Health System with Eskenazi Hospital, the State Hospital, the Veterans Affairs Hospital, Options Hospital system, Valley Vista Hospital system, and the St. Francis Hospital system. (I'm sure there are more, but I cannot think of them). I cannot really comment on the hospital systems outside my residency, but generally, finding a job will not be an issue. There is the ability to go into private practice 2/2 cheap rent (compared to the coasts).

Also, Indiana has the best malpractice law because the governor in the 1970s was an MD and passed really good pro-physician malpractice laws. Lastly, salary, I know a few psychiatrists that do private practice and they are pretty well off, but if you decide to go and work for an entity, the salary is pretty fair and comparable to other places in the US, even better at times; now there are outliers, if you go super rural, and practice in North Indiana as a child fellow (fellowship our program offers), then you can make huge money, probably 95 percentile of US psychiatrists(at least that's what one of the recruiters told me). Lastly, there is the ability to practice for academia if you are interested in the university setting, as the residency program is University based.

Connections wise, through the residency, you can make plenty of connections, because the residents are pretty active with the Indiana Psychiatric Society(IPS), and even hold council positions( this all optional, obviously). IPS knows us pretty well and during the monthly meetings, you can meet many different psychiatrists from all aspects of Indiana that have different practice models; and I am sure as heck they are will be very willing to answer questions to the residents as we have really good rapport with them.

Of note, other specialties in the state are really really pro psychiatry because there are so few of us, and mental health generally is lacking psychiatrists. Generally, due graduating 6 general psychiatry residents per year with 2 triple boarders, 2 child fellows and 1-2 addiction psychiatrists per year, in the state of Indiana, and being a resident literally in the middle of all these hospital systems, I get the sense that they want us bad. 🙂
 
This actually made me add Indiana to my list. And here I was trying to trim my list down today before ERAS opens up Monday...

I LOVED Indiana when I interviewed there. It would have been my number 1 program if not for a variety of life factors bringing back home. Part of me still regrets it.

Highly recommended. Great place, great training, good research, can't say anything bad. I'd imagine call sucks, but no more than most places.
 
Thanks for the info. What do you know about the child and adolescent department? I may need to consider applying here.
 
Thanks for the info. What do you know about the child and adolescent department? I may need to consider applying here.

I met with Dr. Dunn, the child PD, when I interviewed there for residency. Super nice guy, I really liked him. He seemed very interested in working with me to facilitate my interests. For example, I mentioned my love of C-L and child, and that I had half-heartedly considered combining the two but wasn't really considering it due to the time constraints of having to do 6 years total to do that (3+2+1). He felt very confident that they would be able to arrange my schedule at IU such that you could complete the requirements for all of that in the normal 5 years. I never crunched the numbers on that to see if it really WAS possible, but he seemed like a genuine nice guy, who wanted to help me have the career I wanted.

They have a very nice child clinic, which was at the children's hospital when I visited, not sure if it's still there.

The downsides from what I saw:

  • The new "brain sciences" building is a bit away from the main campus, so some driving might be involved. It's not on the monorail line either, if I recall correctly, but I could be wrong. They do have their own monorail, and on my interview, the residents giving the tour sang the Monorail Song from The Simpsons when I mentioned it. All of it. Great atmosphere.
  • Class size of 6, means q6 call. q10 is so much better.
  • Call is likely pretty busy. I don't know about this for sure, but given the number of sites, I can't imagine it being slow.
  • Many hospitals and sites to learn. Diverse training, but also lack of consistency. Probably good in the long run, but certainly not a convenient as being in one hospital.
  • Indy is a pretty big city with all the usual big city problems. That being said, I hate big cities, but really liked Indy. We wanted a quiet suburb-y life (have a family) and probably would've had a looong commute if I'd gone here (i.e. Carmel or some such nonsense.)
Apply, apply, apply. Check it out. Also, they put you up in a bomb-diggity hotel. Nicest place I've ever stayed. Loved it. Went back for 2nd look just so I could stay again!
 
I'm another IU psychiatry resident and I totally agree with all of what IN321 says. This really is a gem of a program that I would definitely place #1 on my list if I was doing this again. The value in this program is that we get to work in so many different places so we are constantly seeing a new "type" of patient rather than just doing the same thing over and over. It's going to be difficult to find any place that can challenge IU psychiatry on that!

And I am currently one of the residents doing call and I can say that it is not THAT bad. Yes, we are usually at least fairly busy but it is rare that someone spends a night without getting at least a few hours of sleep. I've actually already in the past 2.5 months had like 3 nights when I got to sleep my normal amount and woke up refreshed the next day to a day off.

I had never been to Indiana before interviewing here, but I knew within a few hours of my interview visit that it was going to be a top program of mine. Seriously, this is not one of the places to cross out when you're trying to "cut the fat" off of your list that is getting big. CHOOSE ANOTHER PLACE TO MARK OFF! This is a program you're going to be glad you saw first hand!
 
+ 1 for IUSM

I interviewed there (see last years interview review thread for more detail) but basically what I thought was "This would be one of the most competitive psych programs....if it wasn't in Indiana". It has a lot of great things going for it so if you don't mind Indianapolis I'd say be sure to check them out!
 
I'm glad that there are so many positive things that have been said.

Thank you Digitlnoize for the superb statements and the extra input!

I am not as familiar with the child department, as I am not planning on going into CAP.
-In addition to 6 general psych residents, the department funds 2 triple boarders and 2 CAP residents. I would recommend during interview day inquiring about the child department. And a second look is an option, as you can request to meet with certain faculty, or see more of whatever you are interested in.

There are several thing that I would like to add/adjust to what Digitlnoize mentioned.
-The monorail, also called the People-Mover( yea I know, so original, lol), is connected to Goodman Hall, "brain science" building from the main IU campus. 2 years ago they just finished building Neuroscience building, and at that time the people-mover did not go there, but now its part the neuroscience building for sure.
-If you prefer drive from the main campus, it would be like a 5 min drive. Also Goodman Hall(the neuroscience building) is physically connected to Methodist hospital; we are one of the few departments that gets free parking(for residents) in the garage at Methodist Hospital that is connected to the neuroscience building. This means when there is bad weather, we park at the garage and walk across through this this cool insulated glass tunnel over the road and into Goodman Hall.
-PGY 2 call is Q6 for ten months, then Q8 when the triple boarders enter the call people for the last 2 months. No more call after that. PGY 3&4 years are only back up call, and backup is there to help for emergency settings. Generally call has not been an issue, and there have not been any residents complaining about burning out. And to be completely truthful, yea, there are rough call nights, and there are very chill call nights; also, we have our own call room, with a TV, and one of our attendings loves to stack up snacks for us.
-PGY 1 call is site specific at the Psych ER (aka CIU) at Eskenazi Hospital.
-PGY 2 call covers three hospitals, the Veterans Affairs Hospital, University Hospital and Riley Children’s Hospital.
By the end of these calls, you would have probably seen a huge variety of cases. And again, remember, we are the only psych residents in the state, so we see everything, including Zebras!.
-One of the things that did draw me was the multiple hospital system, though I have met people that like to stay in one hospital only. I would say that because of the multi-hospital system we have a slice of everything.

If there are any other statements, or questions, please feel free to post.
 
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thank you all for your input on IU!
It was my no1 before i read this thread for various reasons but now you all got me so hyped abt it (and i haven't even interviewed!) at that i'm going to be devastated if i don't end up matching there
 
when can you start moonlighting here and are there enough opportunities available?
 
when can you start moonlighting here and are there enough opportunities available?

2nd year. I think two PGYIIs are already moonlighting. Since IU is the only psych residency program in the state there are plenty of opportunities
 
#1 on my list. Fingers and toes crossed!
 
when can you start moonlighting here and are there enough opportunities available?

2nd year. I think two PGYIIs are already moonlighting. Since IU is the only psych residency program in the state there are plenty of opportunities

I don't moonlight as I'm busy with other life stuff, but many other residents do. I remember when I did my second look, I asked specifically about moonlighting, and the forth year resident at that time said that they would moonlight enough to go on these super luxurious trips with their family. I was like daaaamn, I can't wait to moonlight! And look at me now, I'm not even moonlighting. LOL

#1 on my list. Fingers and toes crossed!

Good luck!
 
2nd year. I think two PGYIIs are already moonlighting. Since IU is the only psych residency program in the state there are plenty of opportunities

Sorry for the digression but I have been searching around this site and at individual program's sites but is there a compilation of info about moonlighting at psych programs? It sounds like most I have heard let us start PGYIII but PGYII would be ideal. I am mostly interested in midwest programs so IU is looking pretty good.
 
also just curious, when do most residents take step 3, during PGY1?
Requirements vary by program and that is often dictated by call requirements (some hospitals required physicians to be licensed for call, which requires Step III.) At my program, we are required to take it by December of PGY-1, which was considered early.

Nice thread, IN321. Sounds like you are justifiably proud of your program. I will be leaving this discussion with a positive impression and when folks mention looking for a residency in the Midwest, I'll be sure to add yours to the list of ones to consider. Sounds excellent!


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Great thread. I was born and raised in Indy, and it is a great city... clean, CHEAP (ie, not just "i used to live in NYC/Chicago/SF and now I live in _______ and I have so much more space for so much less money," cost of living is REALLY inexpensive), great arts, culture and food, amazing sports on all levels including the newest incarnation of the Colts with Andrew Luck, the revitalized Pacers (when Paul George gets healthy again), the B1G football conference championship game, and NCAA basketball tournament games. And Indiana high school basketball is unparalleled.

I actually interviewed at IU, but I ranked it on the lower end of my list for reasons other than the quality of the training... I was VERY impressed on interview day. IUSM is the ONLY academic medical center in the state, and as mentioned above, the clinical training is stellar- IU Hospital, Methodist, Riley, Larue Carter, Wishard (now Eskenazi- that family owns like 1/2 of Indianapolis; the SImons (Simon Malls) own the other 1/2), and the gorgeous new neurosciences building. The department itself actually has some pretty big names in psychiatry (Dr. Shekhar, Dr. Dunn), and the new chair is very innovative and forward thinking. I was actually more impressed with IU than some of the bigger name academic medical centers at which I interviewed. Great program...
 
Its that time again. Questions about Indiana University Psychiatry program?
 
Good Question.

I cannot tell you what is an advantage or not, as I don't speak on behalf of my PD, but some of my co-residents are DOs. Generally, under the application questions portion of the website, it says:

"3) Does your program accept COMLEX in lieu of USMLE? Yes"

Feel free to check out the rest of it if you like:
http://psychiatry.medicine.iu.edu/e...ms/psychiatry-residency/application-criteria/

Thanks for the info. I wish more residents did the same for their program. Is there any value to adding it this late in the season? I currently live in the SE and love the warmth. I can tolerate the cold, but just barely. How do your coresidents from more 'tropical' climates fare?
 
Hey Achillees,

Questions about weather do arise among applicants, so I think you brought up an excellent discussion. Our residents that come from warmer weathers are from California, Texas, Hawaii and Arizona, and recently one of our grads was from Georgia; that in itself shows that weather is usually not a concern. I think that the weather is manageable, especially since our hospital system is downtown, when it snows, the snow trucks come in and clean the roads super quick. I would say that if you haven't lived in the snow, its an experience alright, but after 1 year of experience, the residents adjust and don't really have issues. The winter also fluctuates in severity, i.e. when we had the Superbowl here in 2012, it was not cold at all. Hope that gives you an idea.

For your other question: "Is there any value to adding it this late in the season?" I'm not sure what you are discussing/referring to. Though I do want to make sure I answer everything I can.
 
Hey Achillees,

Questions about weather do arise among applicants, so I think you brought up an excellent discussion. Our residents that come from warmer weathers are from California, Texas, Hawaii and Arizona, and recently one of our grads was from Georgia; that in itself shows that weather is usually not a concern. I think that the weather is manageable, especially since our hospital system is downtown, when it snows, the snow trucks come in and clean the roads super quick. I would say that if you haven't lived in the snow, its an experience alright, but after 1 year of experience, the residents adjust and don't really have issues. The winter also fluctuates in severity, i.e. when we had the Superbowl here in 2012, it was not cold at all. Hope that gives you an idea.

For your other question: "Is there any value to adding it this late in the season?" I'm not sure what you are discussing/referring to. Though I do want to make sure I answer everything I can.

I really appreciate the response. As for the question about adding it, I was referring to applying to the program this late in the season. I imagine they're facing similar increase in number of applicants?
 
Agreed. I LOVED Indy when I interviewed there. It would've been my #1 if not for family/friends/etc in my current location. Still part of me regrets not going to Indy.
 
Thanks digitlnoize for the kind words! There are excellent programs out there and I truly feel lucky to be in a such a program.

I really appreciate the response. As for the question about adding it, I was referring to applying to the program this late in the season. I imagine they're facing similar increase in number of applicants?

Its never too late to apply! We try to have about 6 interviees per interview date so it can be personal and social at the same time. Since I am not the PD nor do I do the scheduling, I don't know what is left, or booked, but I would recommend applying anyways, because of 2 reasons. Reason 1, people cancel for emergencies or whatever else happens; Reason 2, you wont have any regret and won't wonder "what if." As for the number of applicants, I cannot exactly answer that question because I don't know the numbers, but I would say there are a lot of great applicants, we never have issues filling our interview slots when there are cancellations, and we never had issues with filling out match slots. From that I deduce that we have plenty of applicants.
So totally apply if you are interested!

Usually we have dinner at Harry's and Izzy's (Upscale Steakhouse, but has vegetarian options too) the night before with several of the residents(PGY 1-4). The next day are the interviews(very awesome faculty, PD, and chief resident), and lunch with more of the residents(PGY 1-4). There is also a tour so you get to know the area and the buildings. Oh and I almost forgot, interviewees stay in the Conrad (its the Upscale version of Hilton, kind of Rtiz Carlton analogy). The Conrad persuaded me to stay, j/k. 🙂

-IN321
 
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Thanks digitlnoize for the kind words! There are excellent programs out there and I truly feel lucky to be in a such a program.



Its never too late to apply! We try to have about 6 interviees per interview date so it can be personal and social at the same time. Since I am not the PD nor do I do the scheduling, I don't know what is left, or booked, but I would recommend applying anyways, because of 2 reasons. Reason 1, people cancel for emergencies or whatever else happens; Reason 2, you wont have any regret and won't wonder "what if." As for the number of applicants, I cannot exactly answer that question because I don't know the numbers, but I would say there are a lot of great applicants, we never have issues filling our interview slots when there are cancellations, and we never had issues with filling out match slots. From that I deduce that we have plenty of applicants.
So totally apply if you are interested!

Usually we have dinner at Harry's and Izzy's (Upscale Steakhouse, but has vegetarian options too) the night before with several of the residents(PGY 1-4). The next day are the interviews(very awesome faculty, PD, and chief resident), and lunch with more of the residents(PGY 1-4). There is also a tour so you get to know the area and the buildings. Oh and I almost forgot, interviewees stay in the Conrad (its the Upscale version of Hilton, kind of Rtiz Carlton analogy). The Conrad persuaded me to stay, j/k. 🙂

-IN321

It's worth going just to stay at the Conrad. Nicest place I've ever stayed.
 
Thank you for the great intro/plug! How is it like living there in general while doing residency there, and raising a family there in the future? and I see most of the class were graduates from Indiana SOM and DO/IMGs, I feel like for most applicants, maybe the location is a concern, any thoughts on just living there, are you guys planning on staying there after residency? Thanks!
 
I'm gonna comment on living here in random diatribe fashion. I'm a PGY3. Not from Indiana. Never lived this far north. I had serious reservations about moving here, but I moved for the program, it was my number 1 by a long shot. After being here for 2.5 years now I have decided to stay in the state, possibly in Indy (mainly because I see Indy as a great place to raise a family). My family loves it here. There is so much to do. We have plenty of professional and semi-pro sporting events (basketball, baseball, football, hockey, soccer, even roller derby). The state fair is here. Don't forget the Indy 500. The children's museum is one of the best in the nation. I'm gonna call the zoo 'pretty good' if I'm being honest, but its fun and its cheap. The news is saying that in maybe 1-2 years the airport here will probably get nonstop flights to London, which is a pretty big deal. There are a lot of various recreational sporting leagues all over town. There are lots of outdoors stuff to do within 60-90 minutes like camping, hiking, canoeing, fishing, hunting, skiing (more like 2 hours away). Rent is cheap, as are mortgages. There are good school districts within 25 minutes of the major downtown hospital district. All of that said, my favorite part is that you can get a house inside the city limits within 20 minutes of downtown and it call feel like a WAY smaller town than it is. So I feel like I get the best of both worlds....all the amenities of a larger city, with a small town feel. But, if you like the big city feel, it is just as possible to live much closer to downtown.
 
As a follow up, my previous 'random diatribe' post seems far more random than diatribe. But seriously, if you have any specific questions please just post them. Honestly, I get so excited about telling people about this city and program!
 
Thank you for the great intro/plug! How is it like living there in general while doing residency there, and raising a family there in the future?...I feel like for most applicants, maybe the location is a concern, any thoughts on just living there, are you guys planning on staying there after residency? Thanks!

Hey there darkhope, thank you for the post! Hopefully, FishIN had answered most of this part. From my perspective, living in Indiana is pretty sweet. I'm not from Indiana, but it has grown on me for sure! The cost of living is excellent, the schools are great, very clean city, rapidly expanding, and during the snowy season, the snow is cleared pretty fast. I live in the suburbs and they are just as nice. Some people like living in the heart of the city, while others want to buy a home(yes, as a resident!) and live in the burbs.

....and I see most of the class were graduates from Indiana SOM and DO/IMGs, ...

I would most definitely want to answer this, and politely correct you on your statement. The following is not hidden by any means, so feel free to take a look at our website in terms of who came from what school: (http://psychiatry.medicine.iu.edu/e...rams/psychiatry-residency/meet-our-residents/)

Of the 25 current residents(shown on the website):
-2/25 current residents came from an international school
-10/25 current residents are from Indiana University School of Medicine
-5/25 current residents are from an Osteopathic school
-2/25 current residents are MD/PHDs
-Other residents' medical schools include states such as Arizona, Texas, Kentucky, Ohio, California, Massachusetts

We strive for the best possible applicants, and so far, I feel that every single person that matched in our program is just amazing. 🙂
 
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GOOD LUCK EVERYONE! Hope you have an excellent time going through your rank list!

And if your coming for a second look, we are excited to have you again!
 
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