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"If applicable, indicate any special experiences, unusual factors or other information not previously included in your AMCAS application or this supplement that you feel the admission committee should consider when evaluating your application."
The only thing I can think of is my MCAT score. I got a 7 in PS both times I took it. Overall score was 27 (7 PS, 10 VR, 10 BS). It was really a lack of preparation for physics on my part. Also my physics grades were lower than my other grades (B- both semesters).
Should I own up to a weakness in physics or just let it go unmentioned?
"If applicable, indicate any special experiences, unusual factors or other information not previously included in your AMCAS application or this supplement that you feel the admission committee should consider when evaluating your application."
The only thing I can think of is my MCAT score. I got a 7 in PS both times I took it. Overall score was 27 (7 PS, 10 VR, 10 BS). It was really a lack of preparation for physics on my part. Also my physics grades were lower than my other grades (B- both semesters).
Should I own up to a weakness in physics or just let it go unmentioned?
Surely this is a joke...?"If applicable, indicate any special experiences, unusual factors or other information not previously included in your AMCAS application or this supplement that you feel the admission committee should consider when evaluating your application."
The only thing I can think of is my MCAT score. I got a 7 in PS both times I took it. Overall score was 27 (7 PS, 10 VR, 10 BS). It was really a lack of preparation for physics on my part. Also my physics grades were lower than my other grades (B- both semesters).
Should I own up to a weakness in physics or just let it go unmentioned?
Thanks...
There is way too much emphasis on the MCAT by the people on the allopathic side. I'm going back to the DO forum where people actually realize there is more to a person than an MCAT score. The MCAT is invalid (and unreliable actually) in a lot of ways anyway...hardly a sole predictor of who should be a doctor and who shouldn't.
My score went up 8 points when I retook the MCAT. As you can see, "little changed in my preparation". Same person, completely different scores. Kind of useless IMO.
I appreciate the help anyway...you have answered my question.
There is way too much emphasis on the MCAT by the people on the allopathic side. I'm going back to the DO forum where people actually realize there is more to a person than an MCAT score. The MCAT is invalid (and unreliable actually) in a lot of ways anyway...hardly a sole predictor of who should be a doctor and who shouldn't.
My score went up 8 points when I retook the MCAT. As you can see, "little changed in my preparation". Same person, completely different scores. Kind of useless IMO.
I already said that I didn't prepare correctly. Mostly because I found the MCAT to be a joke. My verbal score went up SIX points the second time. Little to nothing changed between sittings. That score change is the difference between a doctor and someone who doesn't get in. And that is what MD ADCOMs are placing their bets on. LOL.
I know lots of people with 3.6-3.9 GPA's who did terribly on the MCAT. I am talking scores like 16, 17, 21. They are very intelligent and hard-working people, and now they are reconsidering their careers over this one stupid test. They would make much better doctors than some of the creeps and social ******s from my organic chem classes who happened to get 38's on their MCAT.
Yes, standardized testing is a part of the education process. But people attach way too much weight to the MCAT, that like all tests, doesn't truly test what it says it does. The correlation between MCAT scores and USMLE scores is there...but like basically all correlations the MCAT doesn't explain all the variation. Motivation for medicine, undergraduate science GPA, overall GPA, preparation for the USMLE, performance in medical school...all of these things can explain the rest of the variation. The USMLE is also a completely different test, with a different format, different material, and medical schools try very hard to prepare people for it. I am not convinced that someone with a low MCAT can't make it through medical school if they have otherwise been successful.
I guess that the LORS, essays, transcripts, and interviews that adcoms spend hours upon hours sifting through are just formalities, right?
Although MCAT scores do play a part in admissions, it is definitely not the only part of admissions. Like sGPA, cGPA, ECs, and interviews, the MCAT sheds more light on the applicant.
I am well aware of the rest of the application process...
The problem is the schools that screen based on NUMBERS. And you know exactly what I am talking about. If you don't have the minimum score, you are OUT. People in this thread even got on and started saying **** about how a low MCAT section is a red flag, that I shouldn't even apply, etc. That lets me know people aren't convinced that other parts of your application are important. They just think "MCAT MCAT MCAT".
"If applicable, indicate any special experiences, unusual factors or other information not previously included in your AMCAS application or this supplement that you feel the admission committee should consider when evaluating your application."
Awesome. I love it when people think they are entitled to medical school without doing the work involved. Next time you decide not to take the exam seriously and do a crappy job, please don't whine to the folks who study their asses off to give themselves the opportunity to be competitive for a career that they actually care enough about to spend a couple of months of dedication to. None of us liked taking the MCAT, but we cared enough about being doctors to suck it up. Please feel free to do the same.I already said that I didn't prepare correctly. Mostly because I found the MCAT to be a joke. My verbal score went up SIX points the second time. Little to nothing changed between sittings. That score change is the difference between a doctor and someone who doesn't get in. And that is what MD ADCOMs are placing their bets on. LOL.
I know lots of people with 3.6-3.9 GPA's who did terribly on the MCAT. I am talking scores like 16, 17, 21. They are very intelligent and hard-working people, and now they are reconsidering their careers over this one stupid test. They would make much better doctors than some of the creeps and social ******s from my organic chem classes who happened to get 38's on their MCAT.
Yes, standardized testing is a part of the education process. But people attach way too much weight to the MCAT, that like all tests, doesn't truly test what it says it does. The correlation between MCAT scores and USMLE scores is there...but like basically all correlations the MCAT doesn't explain all the variation. Motivation for medicine, undergraduate science GPA, overall GPA, preparation for the USMLE, performance in medical school...all of these things can explain the rest of the variation. The USMLE is also a completely different test, with a different format, different material, and medical schools try very hard to prepare people for it. I am not convinced that someone with a low MCAT can't make it through medical school if they have otherwise been successful.
I am well aware of the rest of the application process...
The problem is the schools that screen based on NUMBERS. And you know exactly what I am talking about. If you don't have the minimum score, you are OUT. People in this thread even got on and started saying **** about how a low MCAT section is a red flag, that I shouldn't even apply, etc. That lets me know people aren't convinced that other parts of your application are important. They just think "MCAT MCAT MCAT".
I hear so much nonsense from allopathic applicants / MD admissions about the MCAT. The MCAT needs a massive overhaul IMO and admissions need to care less.
Just because you don't approve of the test's content/methods doesn't mean you can use it as an excuse for the product of your (lack of?) efforts. Yes it's not entirely fair, yes your score could be different if you woke up on the other side of the bed that day, but you just have to play the game and account for as many variables as you can beforehand....There is way too much emphasis on the MCAT by the people on the allopathic side. I'm going back to the DO forum where people actually realize there is more to a person than an MCAT score. The MCAT is invalid (and unreliable actually) in a lot of ways anyway...hardly a sole predictor of who should be a doctor and who shouldn't.
My score went up 8 points when I retook the MCAT. As you can see, "little changed in my preparation". Same person, completely different scores. Kind of useless IMO.
The MCAT is invalid (and unreliable actually) in a lot of ways anyway...hardly a sole predictor of who should be a doctor and who shouldn't.
Awesome. I love it when people think they are entitled to medical school without doing the work involved. Next time you decide not to take the exam seriously and do a crappy job, please don't whine to the folks who study their asses off to give themselves the opportunity to be competitive for a career that they actually care enough about to spend a couple of months of dedication to. None of us liked taking the MCAT, but we cared enough about being doctors to suck it up. Please feel free to do the same.
You have got to be a troll.
Thanks to the people who were helpful.
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Heavy reliance on the MCAT in the admissions process leaves adcoms ignoring important social traits in applicants. That's why I prefer DO schools...the approach is holistic and even their admissions process is holistic when it comes to applicants. I have met some really weird and arrogant people who did well on the MCAT. The thought of them being responsible for someone's health is really scary actually. They lacked some really basic social intuition. But they will probably get in because adcoms love those high MCAT scores. Part of being a doctor is being good at communicating and dealing with people.
Observe the correlation:
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They lacked some really basic social intuition. But they will probably get in because adcoms love those high MCAT scores.
Thanks to the people who were helpful.
As for you, I don't think anyone is entitled to medical school. But some people are certainly more qualified to be doctors than others and for the most part, that qualification doesn't have much to do with their MCAT score. Your performance on the MCAT shows me how good you are at taking the MCAT and reading its pointlessly convoluted passages with questions that use too many double negatives. The PCAT is IMO a superior way to assess someone's scientific knowledge and abilities.
Heavy reliance on the MCAT in the admissions process leaves adcoms ignoring important social traits in applicants. That's why I prefer DO schools...the approach is holistic and even their admissions process is holistic when it comes to applicants. I have met some really weird and arrogant people who did well on the MCAT. The thought of them being responsible for someone's health is really scary actually. They lacked some really basic social intuition. But they will probably get in because adcoms love those high MCAT scores. Part of being a doctor is being good at communicating and dealing with people.
Observe the correlation:
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Now I know where OP's terrible PS scores came from. A lack of understanding of basic math and reading graphs.
You have a 7 in Physics times 2 test administrations and B-/B- in physics.
As I have been known to say, "Don't mention the zit on your chin. The adcom can see the zit; why draw attention to it? Instead, draw their attention to something you'd like them to focus on."
Would you go on a blind date and then say, "I have this zit, right here. It is because I'm not very diligent at washing my face." 🙄
My philosophy is study hard when you have to, but never study so hard that you cease to be a well-rounded person.
I didn't label it with numbers, did I? 😉 I drew it so the message would be simple. Although the message has been lost on you.
I am satisfied with my MCAT score...as I did well enough. And you know what, the whole time I was studying I was going out with friends, hanging out with my girlfriend and having a good time. I wouldn't give that up for another point or two on the MCAT.
Many pre-meds become so engrossed in the MCAT and their studies that they become what I consider pre-med robots. The term gunner gets thrown around here, which is definitely part of the group I am referring to. Your social ability is like a muscle; the more you use it the more it grows. And it can't grow if all you do is sit in the library all day preparing for the MCAT, doing unnecessary hours of EC's for medical school that you don't even want to do, etc. I really think that is why many doctors are the way they are. The AAMC even made a comment about it a while ago...and they added the Writing Section. They decided that they wanted to combat the reputation of doctors as unsociable scientists basically. Unfortunately no one really cares about the Writing Section.
I cannot tell you how many times I have heard people complain about things doctors have done:
1. Not making eye contact
2. Rude to a patient
3. Didn't listen to a patient, cut them off.
4. Missed basic psychological and social background that would have led to a correct diagnosis.
5. Didn't explain a patient's illness well.
My philosophy is study hard when you have to, but never study so hard that you cease to be a well-rounded person. Because people are not just biological machines to be understood in terms of physiology and diagrams; there are a whole world of psychological and social aspects of a person that you can only understand from well...stepping outside of the library.
I have seen some pretty crazy people who didn't do well on their MCATs.. What does that mean then?
You do realize that there is a good number of applicants with near perfect stats getting rejected right? Like hundreds of them?
Wouldn't it be best to have a doctor that is both empathic and proficient (knowledgeable)?
My philosophy is study hard when you have to, but never study so hard that you cease to be a well-rounded person.
How's that 27 workin for ya?
Cute. Out of curiosity - are you gay?
"If applicable, indicate any special experiences, unusual factors or other information not previously included in your AMCAS application or this supplement that you feel the admission committee should consider when evaluating your application."
The only thing I can think of is my MCAT score. I got a 7 in PS both times I took it. Overall score was 27 (7 PS, 10 VR, 10 BS). It was really a lack of preparation for physics on my part. Also my physics grades were lower than my other grades (B- both semesters).
Should I own up to a weakness in physics or just let it go unmentioned?
Out of curiosity - are you gay?
Here's where you lost me. 👎 Allow me to explain my point of view.I am satisfied with my MCAT score...as I did well enough. And you know what, the whole time I was studying I was going out with friends, hanging out with my girlfriend and having a good time. I wouldn't give that up for another point or two on the MCAT.
Many pre-meds become so engrossed in the MCAT and their studies that they become what I consider pre-med robots. The term gunner gets thrown around here, which is definitely part of the group I am referring to. Your social ability is like a muscle; the more you use it the more it grows. And it can't grow if all you do is sit in the library all day preparing for the MCAT, doing unnecessary hours of EC's for medical school that you don't even want to do, etc. I really think that is why many doctors are the way they are.
Here's where you lost me. 👎 Allow me to explain my point of view.
Becoming a doctor is a privilege! All I read in this post is ENTITLEMENT. A doctor should be prepared to sacrifice his own social time and enjoyment for his patients. If you don't believe that, well....... I wouldn't want you to be my doctor.
This obviously can't be a black and white issue, but frankly it seems "having a good time" instead of gunning for "another point or two on the MCAT" demonstrates a certain lack of self-sacrifice that I believe is desirable for physicians. In other words: you should have sucked it up and studied more. Sorry!
Sweet graph, next time I meet someone with a sub-zero mcat score, I will be sure to ask for his advice on common social graces.Thanks to the people who were helpful.
As for you, I don't think anyone is entitled to medical school. But some people are certainly more qualified to be doctors than others and for the most part, that qualification doesn't have much to do with their MCAT score. Your performance on the MCAT shows me how good you are at taking the MCAT and reading its pointlessly convoluted passages with questions that use too many double negatives. The PCAT is IMO a superior way to assess someone's scientific knowledge and abilities.
Heavy reliance on the MCAT in the admissions process leaves adcoms ignoring important social traits in applicants. That's why I prefer DO schools...the approach is holistic and even their admissions process is holistic when it comes to applicants. I have met some really weird and arrogant people who did well on the MCAT. The thought of them being responsible for someone's health is really scary actually. They lacked some really basic social intuition. But they will probably get in because adcoms love those high MCAT scores. Part of being a doctor is being good at communicating and dealing with people.
Observe the correlation:
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