Should I continue secondaries with a bad reference letter?

[Aluminum]

---

Members do not see this ad.

Should I? How much does one bad reference letter from the Dean of Students (citing infractions) affect my application compared with 3 other good ones? Is it history now because of his letter (which he lied to me and told me he'd write a good one).

He did this to directly stop my application and waste thousands of my dollars because he thinks he's qualified to do so for the general good, as if he's an entire admission committee or knows anything about medical practice; he didn't even complete Grad school and probably studied something in humanities in England). My infractions were just about getting along with others. I had arguments with a few other students that were a little uncomfortable.

He thinks I can't connect with people, which is completely untrue since I have been elected to several positions and led clubs. He thinks that because he always jumps to conclusions, as he did in this case by thinking it is acceptable for him to act as an entire admissions committee and deliberately back-stab me so self-righteously.

Thanks,

Aluminum

 

[Doctor Strange]

You didn't need to start a new thread about this, and slamming this guy on the internet won't help either. Like LizzyM previously stated:

Music2doc, you are reading my mind.

OP: A dean of students letter will almost always report IAs. If you didn't report those IAs in your primary then you.are.screwed.

Better luck next year.

If you had previously reported the IA on AMCAS, then this shouldn't be a problem. If not, then you were being dishonest on the application, and you probably shouldn't bother.

 

[LizzyM]

Should I? How much does one bad reference letter from the Dean of Students (citing infractions) affect my application compared with 3 other good ones? Is it history now because of his letter (which he lied to me and told me he'd write a good one).

He did this to directly stop my application and waste thousands of my dollars because he thinks he's qualified to do so for the general good, as if he's the admission committees or knows anything about medical practice, he didn't even complete Grad school and probably studied something in humanities in England). My infractions were just about getting along with others. I had arguments with a few other students that were a little uncomfortable.

He thinks I can't connect with people, which is completely untrue since I have been elected to several positions and led clubs. He thinks that because he always jumps to conclusions, as he did in this case by thinking it is acceptable for him to act as an admissions committee member and deliberately back-stab me so self-righteously.

Thanks,

Aluminum

At this late date? I wouldn't recommend that anyone send in secondary fees at this point. With a bad letter, you might as well throw the money out the window. Someone will be happy to have the money but it won't do you any good.

 

[MelissaThompson]

You didn't need to start a new thread about this, and slamming this guy on the internet won't help either. Like LizzyM previously stated:



If you had previously reported the IA on AMCAS, then this shouldn't be a problem. If not, then you were being dishonest on the application, and you probably shouldn't bother.

Better luck next year??

This type of dishonesty - you will be banned by AMCAS forever!

 

[bollywoodlover]

You should have never sent an app in the first place. You should have took a year off and sent in your own individual letters if possible and have never told the dean you were applying if you knew he was against you. I don't think you'll ever get in now since that letter will prob remain in your app forever at the schools you applied to. Might be possible to apply to new schools next year and still get in.

 

[mcloaf]

You should have never sent an app in the first place. You should have took a year off and sent in your own individual letters if possible and have never told the dean you were applying if you knew he was against you. I don't think you'll ever get in now since that letter will prob remain in your app forever at the schools you applied to. Might be possible to apply to new schools next year and still get in.

He didn't know the letter was bad when he was originally applying, IIRC from his other thread.

 

[bollywoodlover]

It seems like your deans issue with you is personal. How is sharing opinions that not everyone agrees with an infarction. It's freedom of speech.

 

[bollywoodlover]

Ya but I'm sure he knew it was at least risky if he had already been written up by this guy.

 

[Josh7]

Should I? How much does one bad reference letter from the Dean of Students (citing infractions) affect my application compared with 3 other good ones? Is it history now because of his letter (which he lied to me and told me he'd write a good one).

He did this to directly stop my application and waste thousands of my dollars because he thinks he's qualified to do so for the general good, as if he's an entire admission committee or knows anything about medical practice; he didn't even complete Grad school and probably studied something in humanities in England). My infractions were just about getting along with others. I had arguments with a few other students that were a little uncomfortable.

He thinks I can't connect with people, which is completely untrue since I have been elected to several positions and led clubs. He thinks that because he always jumps to conclusions, as he did in this case by thinking it is acceptable for him to act as an entire admissions committee and deliberately back-stab me so self-righteously.

Thanks,

Aluminum

You had multiple infractions about bad social behaviors? Whoa.

I think insulting him on here and mocking his education and what not kind of just adds to you looking bad.

 

[mcloaf]

I think insulting him on here and mocking his education and what not kind of just adds to you looking bad.

+1. Though I'd be livid as well.

 

[Aluminum]

What upsets me is not that he gave his opinion, which he has the right to.

It is that he made me think he was going to write something good when he wasn't. He could have spoken to me in person and advised me to not apply or at least told me the truth that he wasn't going to support my application. Acting like a friend then sabotaging me and wasting thousands of my dollars is not cool for a university official.

All my other referees who worked closely with me supported me and gave me a good reference letter. This guy gives infractions on anything by the way, he's infraction-happy.

 

[bollywoodlover]

That behavior alone should of gave you the hint that he cannot be trusted. Most of my writers wanted me to read their letters even though I waived my right.

 

[KnuxNole]

What upsets me is not that he gave his opinion, which he has the right to.

It is that he made me think he was going to write something good when he wasn't. He could have spoken to me in person and advised me to not apply or at least told me the truth that he wasn't going to support my application. Acting like a friend then sabotaging me and wasting thousands of my dollars is not cool for a university official.

All my other referees who worked closely with me supported me and gave me a good reference letter. This guy gives infractions on anything by the way, he's infraction-happy.

That seems atypical for an university dean...I thought that you actually had to try to get an IA but apparently not 😕

 

[NickNaylor]

What upsets me is not that he gave his opinion, which he has the right to.

It is that he made me think he was going to write something good when he wasn't. He could have spoken to me in person and advised me to not apply or at least told me the truth that he wasn't going to support my application. Acting like a friend then sabotaging me and wasting thousands of my dollars is not cool for a university official.

All my other referees who worked closely with me supported me and gave me a good reference letter. This guy gives infractions on anything by the way, he's infraction-happy.

My suggestion would be to wait and apply next year without this guy's letter.

(sent from my phone)

 

[LizzyM]

That seems atypical for an university dean...I thought that you actually had to try to get an IA but apparently not 😕

It could be that the Dean thinks that he is saving the world from someone who would be a very disfunctional member of the health care team.

And he does this despite the fact that it lowers the proportion of medical school applicants from his school who get into medical school.

So, he feels it is in his best interest to keep this guy out of med school which is counterintuitive which makes it a very interesting move on the Dean's part.