Should I do volunteer lab research after graduating?

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So I already graduated about 2 years ago.

I am working part time ( but pay is enough to support myself). I am interested in full time work but can't seem to find any positions...

I am thinking of doing volunteer research while working part time instead. My goal would be to get published.

Would this be beneficial at all (I am in the midst of applying)?

Can a volunteer research position lead to full time work?
Can I ask the professor ahead of time if this can translate to at least paid work?

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So I already graduated about 2 years ago.

I am working part time ( but pay is enough to support myself). I am interested in full time work but can't seem to find any positions...

I am thinking of doing volunteer research while working part time instead. My goal would be to get published.

Would this be beneficial at all (I am in the midst of applying)?

Can a volunteer research position lead to full time work?
Can I ask the professor ahead of time if this can translate to at least paid work?

Attempting to get published while applying? Forget it. If you haven't already been on a team for a few months there's no way you'll be able to bust out enough work part time to get included on a manuscript before many of your decisions are already made, if not all the decisions of whether or not you'll get an interview. Remember that even after the manuscript is submitted it may get sent back for revisions, will stick around a while in review, and may even require you to run some additional experiments.

This isn't to say that it wouldn't be beneficial. It shows that you're still engaging in scholarly activity (which isn't necessary for your gap years by the way) and research always looks nice to the schools that value that. However, I think you would be better served just seeking out full-time work (I know it's hard) and saving up.

Yes, a volunteer position can lead to full-time work if you're showing that you're productive and the PI has the grant money and lab space for you. At the very least you'll learn some skills that might allow you to get a part-time or full-time (both paid) position in another lab if not the same one since they will know that you don't need to be "trained" in any of the techniques.

I think it would be entirely appropriate to ask if there's the potential for paid work. If he says no, it's no big deal. You'll be hard pressed to find a lab that will turn down a year's worth of free labor so he'd still probably let you volunteer. The question is, are you firmly set on only doing work that will translate to paid work? Be wary of PI's that say "yes" to that question but never tell you that the only situation where that would occur is if you already worked for them for a year. It's possible but much more delicate to also inquire if you might get published but, again, that really shouldn't be that big of a concern for you since it's unlikely you'll be published in time for it to help your application.

At the end of the day, volunteer researching will keep any adcoms from having beef with your gap year activities and will teach you some marketable skills that can be used in the future (if you ever continue research in medical school). However, there's plenty of other activities (like working) that would look just as good as researching for gap year activities. Remember that since you're going to be applying, what you do really won't matter that much unless you're doing nothing or literally raising babies from the dead.
 
Thanks for the thorough response.

My reason for wishing to publish is also because I heard it could be beneficial in the future when applying for residency positions.
 
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Attempting to get published while applying? Forget it. If you haven't already been on a team for a few months there's no way you'll be able to bust out enough work part time to get included on a manuscript before many of your decisions are already made, if not all the decisions of whether or not you'll get an interview. Remember that even after the manuscript is submitted it may get sent back for revisions, will stick around a while in review, and may even require you to run some additional experiments.

This isn't to say that it wouldn't be beneficial. It shows that you're still engaging in scholarly activity (which isn't necessary for your gap years by the way) and research always looks nice to the schools that value that. However, I think you would be better served just seeking out full-time work (I know it's hard) and saving up.

Yes, a volunteer position can lead to full-time work if you're showing that you're productive and the PI has the grant money and lab space for you. At the very least you'll learn some skills that might allow you to get a part-time or full-time (both paid) position in another lab if not the same one since they will know that you don't need to be "trained" in any of the techniques.

I think it would be entirely appropriate to ask if there's the potential for paid work. If he says no, it's no big deal. You'll be hard pressed to find a lab that will turn down a year's worth of free labor so he'd still probably let you volunteer. The question is, are you firmly set on only doing work that will translate to paid work? Be wary of PI's that say "yes" to that question but never tell you that the only situation where that would occur is if you already worked for them for a year. It's possible but much more delicate to also inquire if you might get published but, again, that really shouldn't be that big of a concern for you since it's unlikely you'll be published in time for it to help your application.

At the end of the day, volunteer researching will keep any adcoms from having beef with your gap year activities and will teach you some marketable skills that can be used in the future (if you ever continue research in medical school). However, there's plenty of other activities (like working) that would look just as good as researching for gap year activities. Remember that since you're going to be applying, what you do really won't matter that much unless you're doing nothing or literally raising babies from the dead.

This is correct. My research took about 9 months to complete, but the review process took 3 months, and then we got rejected, submitted again, and then we had to revise some elements of the experiment and resubmit. Manuscript takes about 10 months to create, but it would only count as a submitted manuscript. Expect to take +1 year from the date you finish your entire project to becoming a published author.

Often, unpaid volunteer research can translate into some kind of paid work if you work hard enough at it, if the investigator found grant money, and if they like you.
 
I've been in a lab for almost a year now and we just got our revisions back from a journal. Acceptance into the journal probably won't happen this app cycle (although it would have been nice). I was lucky to have a PI who allowed me to jump into the current project, but some PIs may want you to prove your worth before letting you do some real experiments. In my case, I was a lab lackey for a year during undergrad before I re-joined post-graduation.

P.S.: The pay isn't great. I get paid part-time, but I am in lab 40+ hrs/week (lab funding is tough to come by nowadays.) Paying for AMCAS and secondary apps has left me absolutely broke. I'm now losing money by going to lab. If money is important to you, I suggest finding a job that at least pays for the time you log in.
 
i'm doing it, it's okay and the people are nice
i don't expect a publication but i'm here to learn about doing medical research, learn about the stuff that the lab is interested in and hopefully do my own experiments in the near future

just exploring research in general i suppose
 
Thanks for the thorough response.

My reason for wishing to publish is also because I heard it could be beneficial in the future when applying for residency positions.

I say this as someone who has considered doing the same -

I would not recommend your idea. a few reasons:

#1: your research may not be at all relevant to the field you choose to apply to 4 years from now

#2: like others have said, it will be very difficult to get published this cycle, especially part-time

#3: read Charting Outcomes for the Match (AAMC publication I believe). research definitely adds to your app, but it's icing on the cake. it will not make up for more important elements (Step I, clinical grades).

#4: research during medical school will probably be much more helpful because you will have more of an idea what specialty you are interested in and will get to know some of the faculty in your specialty of interest.

in short, doing research now would probably have a minimal effect on your residency match (below all of the things you do while in medical school).
 
Thank you all for the responses.

What if I am already making enough money part time? Money is really not an issue for me here ( I am pretty well off too) and I really like my job right now. I am just looking for the experience that would be beneficial for me in the future.

and let's say I send update letters to school during the school year.

Wouldn't a volunteer research position look better to medical schools ( especially the research heavy ones?) then let's say having a full time job in something nothing related to medicine?
 
Thank you all for the responses.

What if I am already making enough money part time? Money is really not an issue for me here ( I am pretty well off too) and I really like my job right now. I am just looking for the experience that would be beneficial for me in the future.

and let's say I send update letters to school during the school year.

Wouldn't a volunteer research position look better to medical schools ( especially the research heavy ones?) then let's say having a full time job in something nothing related to medicine?

Consider that the first few months of your time will be spent learning the techniques used in the lab and becoming familiar with the work. Assuming you miraculously find/start a position in Sept, you could be into December by the time you're ready to start contributing. You will not have much to say in update letters except for "well I've been learning x, y, and z techniques". Maybe by April/May you will have something to say (almost certainly won't be in the form of a publication, more along the lines of "I've been running experiments") but at that point the cycle will be winding down and you will have spent a year of pt volunteering just to have something that will have a very minimal effect on your career.

If you want to volunteer, go for it -- just don't do pt lab research in hopes that it will have a significant effect on your application.
 
I agree that it won't do much to help you out. It'll be nice to say you did some stuff and learned a couple things...

If you haven't had much lab experience in the past, you aren't going to be let out of people's sight. Expect much hand holding, dish washing, etc. It would take me about a month before I let even grad students or med students touch the actual samples in my lab without my supervision.

I'm not trying to discourage you, but don't expect to get a whole lot of things out of it for awhile. It takes time to get through things, and that's if they go right!

Like others have said, even if you have the manuscript written (nevermind the months of work to get the data to write up), it can take a while to even get it reviewed - reviewers are other professionals who can be out of town, teaching, vacationing, or even lazy - and then it can still get kicked back to you for revisions or even rejected.

Then of course the issue of getting paid work...right now it can be tough to find jobs. The gov't isn't handing out the same kind of money for research as they were in the past. Labs can be strapped.

If you have a lab that has something interesting that you could get some things out of, go for it. Just don't expect a lot, be glad if you get some great experience. 🙂
 
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