Since "M1's dont know what is or isnt minutia", help me out.

[The Kraken]

Im trying to get a hang of the whole condense 40++ slides of dense material into something I can digest. So wise and experienced second years and beyond, honor me with assistance to determine minutia and why:

Vesicular trafficking lecture:

First aid version:
Clatharin coated vesicles (CCV) transport from Golgi -> Early endosomes or plasma membrane -> early endosome
COP1: retrograde golgi transport
COP2: anterograde golgi transport

Takes about a third of a page with a decent diagram, so commit to memory? Fine, easy. But see the one lecture slide below.

Lecture version:
Clatharin coated vesicles
CCV + adaptin 1: trans golgi -> endosomes
CCV + adaptin 2: plasma membrane -> early endosomes
CCV: golgi <-> secretory vesicles
CCV: Endosomes <-> golgi
COP1: 3 different ways like above, retro AND anterograde (Direct conflict with First aid)
COP2: Anterograde

1 slide out of 45 with equal detail on most.

Do I go with first aid?
If 3-4 questions are from a single lecture on the end of block exam, how do you pick through 40 slides and determine, oh this is good?
What if first aid doesnt include the whole picture? See bold above, clearly omitting details.
What's minutia, what isnt?

Halp.

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[boogaloo]

Im trying to get a hang of the whole condense 40++ slides of dense material into something I can digest. So wise and experienced second years and beyond, honor me with assistance to determine minutia and why:

Vesicular trafficking lecture:

First aid version:
Clatharin coated vesicles (CCV) transport from Golgi -> Early endosomes or plasma membrane -> early endosome
COP1: retrograde golgi transport
COP2: anterograde golgi transport

Takes about a third of a page with a decent diagram, so commit to memory? Fine, easy. But see the one lecture slide below.

Lecture version:
Clatharin coated vesicles
CCV + adaptin 1: trans golgi -> endosomes
CCV + adaptin 2: plasma membrane -> early endosomes
CCV: golgi <-> secretory vesicles
CCV: Endosomes <-> golgi
COP1: 3 different ways like above, retro AND anterograde (Direct conflict with First aid)
COP2: Anterograde

1 slide out of 45 with equal detail on most.

Do I go with first aid?
If 3-4 questions are from a single lecture on the end of block exam, how do you pick through 40 slides and determine, oh this is good?
What if first aid doesnt include the whole picture? See bold above, clearly omitting details.
What's minutia, what isnt?

Halp.

1. Tao Le is not writing your test questions.
2. You find out the main idea for that lecture and fill in the details as tolerated. Your future AOA classmates will know more details than you.
3. That's why you're in medical school.
4. Nothing is minutiae.

Learn as much as you can, and stop crying about it to SDN. Nobody cares how much detail is in 1 slide out of 45. We've all been through it, you special snowflake you.

 

[cs24]

If your professors write your questions (likely) then what they have in their slides should be the gold standard for you, even over first aid, during your preclinical classes. Advice for picking out the minutiae is school dependent, so my advice (as has been written often on this site by others) is to study your professor's material as hard as you can prior to the first test so you are ready for anything, and use that experience to help guide you towards the type of material/questions they think are important. Then you can titrate down your future studying.

 

[ChEMD]

Don't make the mistake of thinking what your professors teach you is wrong just because First Aid says something different. You will be tested on what is in your lectures, not what is in FA, so I suggest trying to learn as much of the material as you can. A good way to approach something is to not worry about the details right off the bat, but instead to get a general picture of what's going on. Then when you go over it the next time, and subsequent times after that, start filling in some of the details until you know them all. Don't let yourself get overwhelmed the first time you see something, it does get easier the more times you study it.

 

[The Kraken]

I understand that lectures are going to be more accurate than FA due to new literature, I didn't mean to insinuate that FA is on some pedestal. I'm just trying to comprehend the big picture and how things fall into place. Thank you for the advice

 

[DermViser]

Im trying to get a hang of the whole condense 40++ slides of dense material into something I can digest. So wise and experienced second years and beyond, honor me with assistance to determine minutia and why:

Vesicular trafficking lecture:

First aid version:
Clatharin coated vesicles (CCV) transport from Golgi -> Early endosomes or plasma membrane -> early endosome
COP1: retrograde golgi transport
COP2: anterograde golgi transport

Takes about a third of a page with a decent diagram, so commit to memory? Fine, easy. But see the one lecture slide below.

Lecture version:
Clatharin coated vesicles
CCV + adaptin 1: trans golgi -> endosomes
CCV + adaptin 2: plasma membrane -> early endosomes
CCV: golgi <-> secretory vesicles
CCV: Endosomes <-> golgi
COP1: 3 different ways like above, retro AND anterograde (Direct conflict with First aid)
COP2: Anterograde

1 slide out of 45 with equal detail on most.

Do I go with first aid?
If 3-4 questions are from a single lecture on the end of block exam, how do you pick through 40 slides and determine, oh this is good?
What if first aid doesnt include the whole picture? See bold above, clearly omitting details.
What's minutia, what isnt?

Halp.

You're welcome:
http://www.cram.com/flashcards/lecture-32-vesicular-trafficking-808123
http://quizlet.com/6346896/histology-1-lecture-4-protein-trafficking-flash-cards/
http://www.google.com/#q=Vesicular trafficking lecture

 

[Psai]

Lol at your tone and your thread

 

[mcloaf]

The trouble here is that you guys think there's some secret way to condense a lot of this **** into high-yield info that you need you know, when you seem to be ignoring what everyone is telling you: try to learn it all. As an M1 you have the luxury of time to try to learn this all in the detail your lectures provide. It probably doesn't feel this way to you, but it's true. The simple approach (that I assume keeps getting ignored because it isn't what fresh M1s want to hear) is to assume everything is high-yield. Is this true? Probably not. Is this attitude going to help you a lot more than using what's in FA as an excuse to not learn stuff? Yes.

 

[Serous Demilune]

Lol at your tone and your thread

I could swear these MS1s are the most neurotic batch of med students I've ever seen.

 

[DermViser]

I could swear these MS1s are the most neurotic batch of med students I've ever seen.

They've already bought First Aid, Pathoma, and Firecracker.

 

[Psai]

I could swear these MS1s are the most neurotic batch of med students I've ever seen.

I think it's like that every year. I remember being like this

 

[Barnosaur]

Use the learning objectives your professor gives, that's what clarifies what you need to know (as long as it's not vague)

 

[sylvanthus]

This is exactly why people should not buy first aid first year.

 

[AlmostAnMD]

I remember some of that

kinda

 

[DermViser]

This is exactly why people should not buy first aid first year.

It's not Tao Le's fault that they used First Aid wrong in their MS-1 year.

 

[notbobtrustme]

Probably low yield, but might be worth a point on the real deal. I wouldn't stress it.

Step 1 is all about nailing the questions you're supposed to. There will be >200 questions that are basically slam dunks, in the sense that they come straight outta review sources. Nail these. The rest are deductive/inductive reasoning questions (~75), minutia (25) and random bull**** (25) you can't prepare for. If you do even average on these questions, but nailed every single "slam dunk", you will score very well.

 

[PL198]

You're an M1. Your exams will be based on minutiae. I have no idea why you want to somehow not study it.

 

[Flamen04]

I didn't buy first aid until the month before step 1... Kids these days...

 

[operaman]

I would ALWAYS consider your lecture material to be more accurate than FA. The content in FA is student-produced and each new edition is packed with errors.

As for what to learn, in the example you gave I would make sure to learn it well enough that I could take a blank piece of paper and draw/label the entire process. This way I know I can answer any question correctly. The time spent trying to game the system and figure out what's worth learning and then half-learning it is about the same as what it takes to just learn it all outright.

The exam question I would ask would either:
1) have you put the process in order with a,b,c,d,e being various different mixes of steps
2) Provide a diagram and ask you what some unlabeled things most likely is
3) If I'm lazy, I would simply ask a direct recall
4) Describe an experiment involving something like retrograde axonal transport of some toxin or maybe HPV viral entry and then ask a question about vesicle trafficking that way

 

[chronicidal]

If your goal is to ace your class exam, nothing is minutiae. If your goal is to do well on Step 1 and form a strong foundation of knowledge that is relevant to the clinical years, anything that is NEITHER in First Aid NOR the trusted clinical reference UpToDate can safely be considered minutiae. Step 1 is increasingly becoming more clinical, incorporating more Step 2 questions. More of the traditional M1 material will become less relevant. Membrane coat proteins is a good example of clinically irrelevant rubbish that bloats the preclinical curriculum. If you're a practicing clinician 10 years out from med school and still know what "clathrin coated pit" means, you'll be golden.

 

[Psai]

I think the point of teaching you all those things is that there's a chance that it will be relevant. If a medication comes out that targets those pits then it would be good to have an idea of how they work

 

[Geekchick921]

I vaguely remember this.

I have become the second images in these links.
http://whatshouldwecallmedschool.tumblr.com/post/92756054642/studying
http://whatshouldwecallmedschool.tu...7529/when-im-asked-to-explain-pathophysiology

 

[MrChance2]

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[cbrons]

I could swear these MS1s are the most neurotic batch of med students I've ever seen.

Agreed but its pretty hilarious.


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[EMDO2018]

They've already bought First Aid, Pathoma, and Firecracker.

I haven't brought any books.


M1 has not been bad so far. A good 4 hrs of studying a day gets me there. There are some gunners though, most of them from California.

 

[ChEMD]

I haven't brought any books.


M1 has not been bad so far. A good 4 hrs of studying a day gets me there. There are some gunners though, most of them from California.

By gunner, do you just mean people who study more hours than you?

 

[DermViser]

I haven't brought any books.


M1 has not been bad so far. A good 4 hrs of studying a day gets me there. There are some gunners though, most of them from California.

And by "gunner" I'm assuming you mean they put in more hours of studying that you do per day?

 

[PL198]

I will say we have someone in our class that is a true gunner in every sense of the word, she gives people wrong answers to questions in review sessions. Honestly I don't even know how people would do that, because it would just confuse me and then I'd end up getting the question wrong too. Gunners gonna gun

 

[EMDO2018]

By gunner, do you just mean people who study more hours than you?

And by "gunner" I'm assuming you mean they put in more hours of studying that you do per day?

No, people who nobody in the class likes because they always try to show off, and the are always telling you how they are going into neurosurgery.

 

[PL198]

No, people who nobody in the class likes because they always try to show off, and the are always telling you how they are going into neurosurgery.

That's not a gunner. That's just a d*ck. A gunner is someone who purposefully hurts other students to get ahead.

 

[Serous Demilune]

I will say we have someone in our class that is a true gunner in every sense of the word, she gives people wrong answers to questions in review sessions. Honestly I don't even know how people would do that, because it would just confuse me and then I'd end up getting the question wrong too. Gunners gonna gun

I just have a deranged psychobitch in my class. She always either seems to be bursting into tears or ripping people to shreds verbally. Does that count?

 

[DermViser]

I will say we have someone in our class that is a true gunner in every sense of the word, she gives people wrong answers to questions in review sessions. Honestly I don't even know how people would do that, because it would just confuse me and then I'd end up getting the question wrong too. Gunners gonna gun

I'm surprised people don't call her out on it. What specialty is she going for?

 

[fellowstudent92]

I've had I guess one of those "psychobitches" call me out as an undergrad while we were in the same line getting food. Can't imagine how you guys must feel learning with these kinds of students.

 

[Awared]

Im trying to get a hang of the whole condense 40++ slides of dense material into something I can digest. So wise and experienced second years and beyond, honor me with assistance to determine minutia and why:

Vesicular trafficking lecture:

First aid version:
Clatharin coated vesicles (CCV) transport from Golgi -> Early endosomes or plasma membrane -> early endosome
COP1: retrograde golgi transport
COP2: anterograde golgi transport

Takes about a third of a page with a decent diagram, so commit to memory? Fine, easy. But see the one lecture slide below.

Lecture version:
Clatharin coated vesicles
CCV + adaptin 1: trans golgi -> endosomes
CCV + adaptin 2: plasma membrane -> early endosomes
CCV: golgi <-> secretory vesicles
CCV: Endosomes <-> golgi
COP1: 3 different ways like above, retro AND anterograde (Direct conflict with First aid)
COP2: Anterograde

1 slide out of 45 with equal detail on most.

Do I go with first aid?
If 3-4 questions are from a single lecture on the end of block exam, how do you pick through 40 slides and determine, oh this is good?
What if first aid doesnt include the whole picture? See bold above, clearly omitting details.
What's minutia, what isnt?

Halp.

Re: COP1: It conflicts with our lecture as well. Just remember that COP2 is from ER to golgi while COP1 is bidirectional within the golgi and goes to the ER. COPI and Clathrin use ARF GTPase while COPII uses Sar1 GTPapse, blah blah.

Try to focus on the learning objectives for anki cards or whatever studying you do, then at the end of each lecture go over the powerpoint and try to pick out anything you think you might have missed that was important.

Doesn't quite work in biochem lectures (spending 10 hours a day for the past week on these), but everything else it seems to work really well and I'm only studying for maybe 5 hours.

 

[Porfirio]

Im trying to get a hang of the whole condense 40++ slides of dense material into something I can digest. So wise and experienced second years and beyond, honor me with assistance to determine minutia and why:

Vesicular trafficking lecture:

First aid version:
Clatharin coated vesicles (CCV) transport from Golgi -> Early endosomes or plasma membrane -> early endosome
COP1: retrograde golgi transport
COP2: anterograde golgi transport

Takes about a third of a page with a decent diagram, so commit to memory? Fine, easy. But see the one lecture slide below.

Lecture version:
Clatharin coated vesicles
CCV + adaptin 1: trans golgi -> endosomes
CCV + adaptin 2: plasma membrane -> early endosomes
CCV: golgi <-> secretory vesicles
CCV: Endosomes <-> golgi
COP1: 3 different ways like above, retro AND anterograde (Direct conflict with First aid)
COP2: Anterograde

1 slide out of 45 with equal detail on most.

Do I go with first aid?
If 3-4 questions are from a single lecture on the end of block exam, how do you pick through 40 slides and determine, oh this is good?
What if first aid doesnt include the whole picture? See bold above, clearly omitting details.
What's minutia, what isnt?

Halp.

Third Year Knowledge of the Above Material:

Endocytosis and Exocytosis - it happens

 

[notbobtrustme]

Third Year Knowledge of the Above Material:

Endocytosis and Exocytosis - it happens

and when there's a problem, uptodate has the answer.

also, you get a case report out of it because this **** doesn't happen even once in most clinicians lifetimes.

 

[VisionaryTics]

Third Year Knowledge of the Above Material:

Endocytosis and Exocytosis - it happens

Resident knowledge about this material: I don't even know what those words mean.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

It's not Tao Le's fault that they used First Aid wrong in their MS-1 year.

So MS1 shouldn't use FA at all?!

 

[xffan624]

So MS1 shouldn't use FA at all?!

He said you used it wrong, not that you used it is wrong. It's a review book to cover material that you've already learned in lecture. I usually looked at it around test studying time to get the big picture and see if there were any helpful mnemonics or diagrams for the material.

 

[DermViser]

So MS1 shouldn't use FA at all?!

I said, it's not the author's fault that MS-1s use the book improperly. Solution: Use the book properly.

 

[PL198]

I'm surprised people don't call her out on it. What specialty is she going for?

I have no idea. A lot of the kiss *sses at my school say they want to go into primary care, and I'm not sure if they actually do or not.

 

[Psai]

I have no idea. A lot of the kiss *sses at my school say they want to go into primary care, and I'm not sure if they actually do or not.

Kids who say primary care end up going into derm and people who say derm end up going into primary care. That's how it is

 

[DermViser]

Kids who say primary care end up going into derm and people who say derm end up going into primary care. That's how it is

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-knew-before-starting-medical-school.1038064/

Yes, it's rule #62: Students who start medical school wanting to do primary care end up in dermatology. Those students who start medical school wanting to do dermatology end up in family medicine.

 

[EMDO2018]

So what if you start out wanting to do psychiatry? Do you end up in surgery?

 

[PL198]

So what if you start out wanting to do psychiatry? Do you end up in surgery?

M1: " Tell me about your problems. How does that make you feel?"
M4: " F*ck your problems. I'm gonna start cutting now."

 

[Serous Demilune]

I've had I guess one of those "psychobitches" call me out as an undergrad while we were in the same line getting food. Can't imagine how you guys must feel learning with these kinds of students.

I think it's hilarious. Sometimes when I'm in her small group and I'm bored I'll "poke the bear" by saying deliberately stupid or insensitive things just to see her reaction. Watching her try to control herself in front of a preceptor is priceless.

 

[PL198]

I think it's hilarious. Sometimes when I'm in her small group and I'm bored I'll "poke the bear" by saying deliberately stupid or insensitive things just to see her reaction. Watching her try to control herself in front of a preceptor is priceless.

I'm always curious how people like that end up. Do they snap at the wrong time and end up in like FM in nebraska or what

 

[DermViser]

I'm always curious how people like that end up. Do they snap at the wrong time and end up in like FM in nebraska or what

They usually snap in clerkships. When a lot of things are out of control and have comments in their evals like "has difficulty being a team player, etc." It's a lot of why "professionalism" is now a competency in order to graduate bc medical students were graduating who passed coursework with respect to medical knowledge but not based on other more "soft" factors.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/why-failing-med-students-dont-get-failing-grades/
Tall and dark-haired, the third-year medical student always seemed to be the first to arrive at the hospital and the last to leave, her white coat perpetually weighed down by the books and notes she jammed into the pockets. She appeared totally absorbed by her work, even exhausted at times, and said little to anyone around her.

Except when she got frustrated.

I first noticed her when I overheard her quarreling with a nurse. A few months later I heard her accuse another student of sabotaging her work. And then one morning, I saw her storm off the wards after a senior doctor corrected a presentation she had just given. “The patient never told me that!” she cried. The nurses and I stood agape as we watched her stamp her foot and walk away.

“Why don’t you just fail her?” one of the nurses asked the doctor.

“I can’t,” she sighed, explaining that the student did extremely well on all her tests and worked harder than almost anyone in her class. “The problem,” she said, “is that we have no multiple choice exams when it comes to things like clinical intuition, communication skills and bedside manner.”

 

[Serous Demilune]

She'll end up in OB I'm sure. She has the perfect personality for it.

 

[PL198]

They usually snap in clerkships. When a lot of things are out of control and have comments in their evals like "has difficulty being a team player, etc." It's a lot of why "professionalism" is now a competency in order to graduate bc medical students were graduating who passed coursework with respect to medical knowledge but not based on other more "soft" factors.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/why-failing-med-students-dont-get-failing-grades/
Tall and dark-haired, the third-year medical student always seemed to be the first to arrive at the hospital and the last to leave, her white coat perpetually weighed down by the books and notes she jammed into the pockets. She appeared totally absorbed by her work, even exhausted at times, and said little to anyone around her.

Except when she got frustrated.

I first noticed her when I overheard her quarreling with a nurse. A few months later I heard her accuse another student of sabotaging her work. And then one morning, I saw her storm off the wards after a senior doctor corrected a presentation she had just given. “The patient never told me that!” she cried. The nurses and I stood agape as we watched her stamp her foot and walk away.

“Why don’t you just fail her?” one of the nurses asked the doctor.

“I can’t,” she sighed, explaining that the student did extremely well on all her tests and worked harder than almost anyone in her class. “The problem,” she said, “is that we have no multiple choice exams when it comes to things like clinical intuition, communication skills and bedside manner.”

I understand but those types of people are never the ones that actually get professionalism concerns. 99 % of those people are the ones that kiss *ss all day and are untouchable by their school(because the school is enamored with them, even though they are terrible).