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I know Tufts has minimum GPA and MCAT standards that if you meet them you're automatically accepted if you interview.
 
Ponger said:
I know Tufts has minimum GPA and MCAT standards that if you meet them you're automatically accepted if you interview.
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It must be 36 and 3.9 then...considering I got rejected post secondary...
 
Oh but UMich gives interviews based on numbers, and UTSW gives presecondary interviews to applicants with higherish GPA+MCAT...
 
Ponger said:
I know Tufts has minimum GPA and MCAT standards that if you meet them you're automatically accepted if you interview.
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Yeah, I've never heard this.

Honestly, I don't really know of any such places. All of the places with really high stats get applications from ALL of the high stats people, so you need something more to make yourself stand out; at the places with lower average stats, they really may be more geared towards ECs and stuff. So I don't know that there are any top schools (other than maybe WashU) that really over-emphasize stats.
 
to me it looks like it's only Wash U....from looking at MDapps etc it seems that anyone with a 37+ MCAT and a not horrible GPA gets an interview there ....i guess that's the best way to hyper inflate your MCAT median
 
GoSpursGo said:
Yeah, I've never heard this.

Honestly, I don't really know of any such places. All of the places with really high stats get applications from ALL of the high stats people, so you need something more to make yourself stand out; at the places with lower average stats, they really may be more geared towards ECs and stuff. So I don't know that there are any top schools (other than maybe WashU) that really over-emphasize stats.
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My friend had an interview at Tufts last year and at the end of her interview, her interviewer told her "you know this interview doesn't really matter right? you met our GPA/MCAT cutoff". She's an M1 at Tufts right now.

I always figured it was because Tufts isn't a particularly highly ranked school (i.e. not top 20) and that was an easy way to boost their numbers. Plus odds are that a person who has just an acceptance to Tufts (based on their numbers) would go and be willing to pay the $47k/year in tuition.

It's a win/win for Tufts. They'll raise their class statistics quickly and get more people to pay their high tuition costs.
 
there's a guy with 3.92 GPA and 39 MCAT that is waitlisted at WashU, so no, there aren't stats schools.
 
funkydrmonkey said:
It must be 36 and 3.9 then...considering I got rejected post secondary...
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Did you interview? Because I was saying that people that met their cutoff and also interviewed were the locks.
 
SDN2013 said:
there's a guy with 3.92 GPA and 39 MCAT that is waitlisted at WashU, so no, there aren't stats schools.
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he did get an interview though...that's exactly what i was saying...you'll always get an interview if you have a good MCAT and a decent GPA...and we all know you're talking about ONOY
 
skinMD said:
he did get an interview though...that's exactly what i was saying...you'll always get an interview if you have a good MCAT and a decent GPA...and we all know you're talking about ONOY
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WashU interviews 5 days a week. Each day has 10 or more people. There are bound to be high mcat scores, and also lower mcat scores. They interview people with 3.5 GPA's or 33 MCAT's also.
 
SDN2013 said:
WashU interviews 5 days a week. Each day has 10 or more people. There are bound to be high mcat scores, and also lower mcat scores. They interview people with 3.5 GPA's or 33 MCAT's also.
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wonder why u chose those numbers 🙄

but you missed the point...it seems that all high MCAT scores that come by their desks get an automatic interview.....i never said that all of their interviewees were high MCAT scorers....stop reading things that aren't there
 
skinMD said:
wonder why u chose those numbers 🙄

but you missed the point...it seems that all high MCAT scores that come by their desks get an automatic interview.....i never said that all of their interviewees were high MCAT scorers....stop reading things that aren't there
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Not automatic.

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=10419

4th profile I clicked on. There might be many on the list.
 
pntgrd said:
3.58 overall gpa is low and azuza pacific university is not going to get her any points with WashU.
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beat my GPA by quite a bit though
 
skinMD said:
also it seems like all prereqs were taken at a CC

....why are you so adamant about arguing this?
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because you are spreading wrong information
 
No he's not. While I'm sure there are (very) occasional exceptions for people with truly amazing ECs and life stories, Washington seems very numbers-driven to me. As evidenced by the applicant that you selected -- low cGPA (for that particular school) --> no interview.
 
virusgirl said:
No he's not. While I'm sure there are (very) occasional exceptions for people with truly amazing ECs and life stories, Washington seems very numbers-driven to me. As evidenced by the applicant that you selected -- low cGPA (for that particular school) --> no interview.
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Yeah..I think most people agree that WashU is sort of a numbers *****.
 
i find it ironic that people on here say that wash u is all about numbers and in the MSAR, Wash U says that they also value commitment to medicine besides exceptional academic record.

is Washu U lieing in the MSAR? 😱
 
I know UTSW does give invites based on GPA/MCAT combo. I heard UMich does too, however, I wonder what the cutoff to get an interview has to be for schools like WashU, UMich, NYU, Tufts, and Pitts since I didnt recieve an interview from any of them.
 
NYU is more of a high GPA cut-off I believe. around 3.7ish (its not an auto invite tho)
 
virusgirl said:
No he's not. While I'm sure there are (very) occasional exceptions for people with truly amazing ECs and life stories, Washington seems very numbers-driven to me. As evidenced by the applicant that you selected -- low cGPA (for that particular school) --> no interview.
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no. We are talking about MCAT specifically in the case of WashU.

Many of the top schools are just as stringent about GPA, if not more so, than WashU
 
In my experience (and in my own humble opinion, fwiw):

Wash U: the ultimate numbers ***** (I'm sorry, say what you will about them "caring about the whole applicant" but there's no earthly reason why their average MATRICULANT numbers should be the highest in the country, not when applicants with perfect numbers AND perfect EC's would probably also get into Harvard and Hopkins and all of those)

NYU seems to be taking a similar tack to Wash U and trying to climb the ranks by maintaining a very strict number cutoff. They're especially big on high gpa's and less impressed by high MCATs.

Sinai, on the other hand, seems to be less picky about GPAs and more into high MCAT scores, especially verbal scores.

I've also heard Tufts is trying to keep its numbers high. This makes sense, since they have a lot of linkage programs with Boston schools, in which GPA just has to be a 3.5 and MCAT doesn't matter. They'd probably have to have the rest of the applicants have high numbers to counteract that.
 
ButImLETired said:
In my experience (and in my own humble opinion, fwiw):

Wash U: the ultimate numbers ***** (I'm sorry, say what you will about them "caring about the whole applicant" but there's no earthly reason why their average MATRICULANT numbers should be the highest in the country, not when applicants with perfect numbers AND perfect EC's would probably also get into Harvard and Hopkins and all of those)

NYU seems to be taking a similar tack to Wash U and trying to climb the ranks by maintaining a very strict number cutoff. They're especially big on high gpa's and less impressed by high MCATs.

Sinai, on the other hand, seems to be less picky about GPAs and more into high MCAT scores, especially verbal scores.

I've also heard Tufts is trying to keep its numbers high. This makes sense, since they have a lot of linkage programs with Boston schools, in which GPA just has to be a 3.5 and MCAT doesn't matter. They'd probably have to have the rest of the applicants have high numbers to counteract that.
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Yes, but that doesn't mean WashU automatically invites based on high MCAT as a previous poster suggested.

UMichigan does auto invite based on GPA/MCAT/undergrad prestigiousness.
 
auto invites: UM/Pitt/Vandy/UTSW/some state schools for IS apps (you should be applying to those anyway)

I believe there are multiple factors in autoinvitations, but you have to apply early

I agree about the NYU/MSSM comment
 
witness23 said:
auto invites: UM/Pitt/Vandy/UTSW/some state schools for IS apps (you should be applying to those anyway)

I believe there are multiple factors in autoinvitations, but you have to apply early

I agree about the NYU/MSSM comment
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good thing I was too lazy to write NYU essays :laugh:
 
So, do autoinvites also depend on timing of app?

As to another poster's question, I dont think the purpose of this thread is to bash any one school, but rather, to provide, what I believe is very useful info for applicants when selecting their schools.
 
witness23 said:
auto invites: UM/Pitt/Vandy/UTSW/some state schools for IS apps (you should be applying to those anyway)

I believe there are multiple factors in autoinvitations, but you have to apply early

I agree about the NYU/MSSM comment
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Not sure Vandy auto-invites. Vandy is unique because only people who get interviews have to fill out secondaries, but I'd never heard before now that they have auto-invites.
 
scarletgirl777 said:
Not sure Vandy auto-invites. Vandy is unique because only people who get interviews have to fill out secondaries, but I'd never heard before now that they have auto-invites.
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you are right, my fault!
 
ButImLETired said:
Wash U: the ultimate numbers ***** (I'm sorry, say what you will about them "caring about the whole applicant" but there's no earthly reason why their average MATRICULANT numbers should be the highest in the country, not when applicants with perfect numbers AND perfect EC's would probably also get into Harvard and Hopkins and all of those)
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Someone's gotta have the highest average matriculant numbers 😀
 
RecyclingBinh said:
i find it ironic that people on here say that wash u is all about numbers and in the MSAR, Wash U says that they also value commitment to medicine besides exceptional academic record.

is Washu U lieing in the MSAR? 😱
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They aren't lying, because they don't care ONLY about numbers. But they do count numbers a lot more than other schools it seems. It wouldn't sound good/PC of them to say that though.
 
RoadRunner17 said:
Someone's gotta have the highest average matriculant numbers 😀
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Yes, but I think it's telling that Wash U's numbers are so much higher than everyone else's. In last year's MSAR, they were clocking in at a 37 for average acceptees, while everyone else was at a 35 or below. That's a gigantic difference, especially that far out in the curve.
 
MilkmanAl said:
Yes, but I think it's telling that Wash U's numbers are so much higher than everyone else's. In last year's MSAR, they were clocking in at a 37 for average acceptees, while everyone else was at a 35 or below. That's a gigantic difference, especially that far out in the curve.
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Not true, I remember that schools like Hopkins, Michigan, Duke and Stanford, etc. had median MCAT scores above 35. But yes, WashU is consistently on top as far as MCAT scores go, no disagreement with that.

I'd be curious to see what the median MATRICULANT MCAT score is at WashU compared to other places. Good time for someone here to check out the USNWR..
 
RoadRunner17 said:
Not true, I remember that schools like Hopkins, Michigan, Duke and Stanford, etc. had median MCAT scores above 35. But yes, WashU is consistently on top as far as MCAT scores go, no disagreement with that.

I'd be curious to see what the median MATRICULANT MCAT score is at WashU compared to other places. Good time for someone here to check out the USNWR..
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yup. I think just to substantiate this - Wash U has a sorta BA/MD program called university scholars

this is their requirement for admissions to MD


  1. maintain a 3.8 grade point average (GPA) as an undergraduate student
  2. complete an application to the School of Medicine the year before entering medical studies
  3. achieve a total score of 36 on the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT)
  4. complete a successful interview with the School of Medicine’s Committee on Admissions.
those are pretty high standards for a bachelors to md transition, imo

but its all good, they have great faculty and build great physicians. some schools have different philosophy in picking students - i guess theirs is more objective
 
MilkmanAl said:
I meant in the '07-'08 MSAR. Let me go look up the one for the cycle that just passed.
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Oh duh, of course. My reading comprehension skills = fail, today. I have no idea because I don't have that '07-'08 MSAR, just the '09-'10 MSAR (the orange one) and that's where I am getting my info from.
 
witness23 said:
yup. I think just to substantiate this - Wash U has a sorta BA/MD program called university scholars

this is their requirement for admissions to MD


  1. maintain a 3.8 grade point average (GPA) as an undergraduate student
  2. complete an application to the School of Medicine the year before entering medical studies
  3. achieve a total score of 36 on the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT)
  4. complete a successful interview with the School of Medicine’s Committee on Admissions.
those are pretty high standards for a bachelors to md transition, imo

but its all good, they have great faculty and build great physicians. some schools have different philosophy in picking students - i guess theirs is more objective
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 😱
 
UW SMPH used to have a Med Schoalars program, now discontinued, except it was 3.5 science GPA, MCAT wasn't required except for the final two classes, (must be taken, and minimum 28).

Neither programs require any extracurricular activities, but I think the idea is that with a conditional acceptance, you'd be more likely to participate in EC's
 
RoadRunner17 said:
Oh duh, of course. My reading comprehension skills = fail, today. I have no idea because I don't have that '07-'08 MSAR, just the '09-'10 MSAR (the orange one) and that's where I am getting my info from.
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Looks like you're not the only one whose brain is offline. I was talking about the purple MSAR which is apparently the '08-'09 one. Whatever. Anyway, the '09-'10 one does have a few schools clocking in at a 37, but Wash U is at a 38. I still find that amazing given how few people score in that range.

That Wash U BA/MD thing is just insane. 3.8/36 and an interview? Dear lord. That's a far cry from the 3.5/mid-upper 20's that most schools require, if they even have requirements.
 
SDN2013 said:
UW SMPH used to have a Med Schoalars program, now discontinued, except it was 3.5 science GPA, MCAT wasn't required except for the final two classes, (must be taken, and minimum 28).

Neither programs require any extracurricular activities, but I think the idea is that with a conditional acceptance, you'd be more likely to participate in EC's
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Or drink every night...
 
turkeyjerky said:
Or drink every night...
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hahaha. yea... Maybe that's why they started requiring the MCAT for the last two classes. Although 28 seems a little low still.
 
SDN2013 said:
he doesn't seem like that though, I haven't seen him brag or anything.
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Maybe. But with those numbers, there is obviously something glaringly wrong to the adcoms if he didn't get in. Just my two cents...
 
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