So does your school give negative points on tests ?

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We get negative points for therapeutics. 🙁 it's negative 10 points everytime you make a wrong therapeutic recommendation, so granted how we usually have about 10 patients cases per exam, you can potentially end up with a -100 points out of 100. How does that even work ?

Is our school the only school doing it ? I understand the rationale and logistic reasoning behind it ( so you dont kill patients irl) and I studied all my contraindications for the midterm, but I can't help but be anxious as I am awaiting my grades.
 
I do negative points if you do anything that could harm the patient. Or order asinine labs that would get you fired in the real world (ordering separate K and SCr? ******ed if you already ordered a chemistry).

I am yet to have a student actually end up with a negative, or even a failing, score.
 
We get negative points for therapeutics. 🙁 it's negative 10 points everytime you make a wrong therapeutic recommendation, so granted how we usually have about 10 patients cases per exam, you can potentially end up with a -100 points out of 100. How does that even work ?

Is our school the only school doing it ? I understand the rationale and logistic reasoning behind it ( so you dont kill patients irl) and I studied all my contraindications for the midterm, but I can't help but be anxious as I am awaiting my grades.

I don't like that for a few reasons.

1) Strategically, you're better off not doing anything than suggesting something that can cause harm (which mirrors the real world). But you're in school, you're there to learn stuff and I don't see how the faculty can comb through your reasoning on how you arrived to a specific answer (right or wrong) if you're going to err on the side of caution.

I think mistakes are instructive and, for exam/teaching purposes, negative points robs students of that experience.

Example: say i walk into exam for hypertension and dyslipidemia not knowing anything (got drunk the night before, wing it) about the former.

i confidently get through dyslipidemia and get to HTN, knowing i know nothing, i'm better off leaving it blank than making an attempt (apparently i'm smart enough to be strategic) which doesn't sound right to me (academically). There's too much incentive to be ultra conservative and/or omit things.

further, say you have a bad teacher for that subject, a spike of wrong answers can help guide teaching by alerting faculty to a pattern of weaknesses in the student body. if students are extremely conservative in their answering, that information is lost.


this kind of runs parallel to my logic on why extremely hard exams with a bell curve are more informative than easy exams where 90% of students get A's (it's impossible to tease out the weak from the strong).
 
Can't say we get negative points exactly, but there are things that will cause you to lose points for certain assignments, which I guess is something like negative points. Oh and we have many classes that have a "professionalism deduction" clause, which is negative points if "earned". Wrong answers do not earn negative points though, just the standard no credit.
 
Can't say we get negative points exactly, but there are things that will cause you to lose points for certain assignments, which I guess is something like negative points. Oh and we have many classes that have a "professionalism deduction" clause, which is negative points if "earned". Wrong answers do not earn negative points though, just the standard no credit.

patient harm simply results in a zero for that particular question, some of our lab activities involving simulations have patient harm, HIPAA violation, unprofessional behavior = 0 points on the assignment (at 15% of your grade, the penalty is substantial). that makes sense to me, not "you resulted in patient harm so we're going to negate all the good stuff you did earlier with negative points")
 
patient harm simply results in a zero for that particular question, some of our lab activities involving simulations have patient harm, HIPAA violation, unprofessional behavior = 0 points on the assignment (at 15% of your grade, the penalty is substantial). that makes sense to me, not "you resulted in patient harm so we're going to negate all the good stuff you did earlier with negative points")

I agree. Wrong answers shouldn't subtract right answers. It doesn't make sense in an academic situation.

I am also not a fan of professional deductions, but that is a somewhat separate issue. Here we earn them by being late, dressing inappropriately, being disruptive during class. etc. They are not earned by answering a question incorrectly.
 
I agree. Wrong answers shouldn't subtract right answers. It doesn't make sense in an academic situation.

I am also not a fan of professional deductions, but that is a somewhat separate issue. Here we earn them by being late, dressing inappropriately, being disruptive during class. etc. They are not earned by answering a question incorrectly.

Oh I followed the letter of the syllabus with disastrous results. It required a "collared shirt" so I wore polos & white coat to class.

...and it never mentioned anything about having to wear black socks or ironing your pants/shirt.

i looked like **** 3/4 of the time, but I got full points because I followed the syllabus. :luck:
 
Oh I followed the letter of the syllabus with disastrous results. It required a "collared shirt" so I wore polos & white coat to class.

...and it never mentioned anything about having to wear black socks or ironing your pants/shirt.

i looked like **** 3/4 of the time, but I got full points because I followed the syllabus. :luck:

I always wonder what is up with the guys in my class not wearing black socks...I cringe everytime they sit down and show off white sweat socks with their dress shoes.
 
I always wonder what is up with the guys in my class not wearing black socks...I cringe everytime they sit down and show off white sweat socks with their dress shoes.

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Oh I followed the letter of the syllabus with disastrous results. It required a "collared shirt" so I wore polos & white coat to class.

...and it never mentioned anything about having to wear black socks or ironing your pants/shirt.

i looked like **** 3/4 of the time, but I got full points because I followed the syllabus. :luck:

I don't understand the point of that. Glad you got full points though. 👍
 
They deducted points off of your grade for being late or not wearing a golf shirt to class?

That's pretty damned stupid.

I am really torn about the late thing. I think expecting professional students to be on time and dressed appropriately is not asking too much. Deducting points however...Do students get extra points if the professor is late? :laugh:
 
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I am really torn about the late thing. I think especting professional students to be on time and dressed appropriately is not asking too much. Deducting points however...Do students get extra points if the professor is late? :laugh:

We would have had a class of 123 graduating summa cum laude if that were the case.
 
Meh... I am really glad my school isn't super big on the dressing up, being on time, and food/drink in the lecture hall. Suuuuper laid back and nobody seems to be coming to class in their lingerie, so it is all good. If someone is late consistently (as one of my classmates was first semester) and disrupts class, the prof may say something to you outside of class, but for the most part, it couldn't be farther from the chaps over at LECOM
 
Let me guess you go to ucsf?

No, I go to a school that torments, sleep deprives, and works people into the grave or in the minimum straight into the Anorexia Nervosa. 🙁 We all know that possibly coudn't be the greatness of what ucsf is.
 
I am really torn about the late thing. I think expecting professional students to be on time and dressed appropriately is not asking too much. Deducting points however...Do students get extra points if the professor is late? :laugh:

What if you just don't go to class?

We had a class taught by our dean, and if you walked in late or even 2 minutes before class started he would call you out. People who made it to the building too late would just sit outside of class and hang out instead.
 
What if you just don't go to class?

We had a class taught by our dean, and if you walked in late or even 2 minutes before class started he would call you out. People who made it to the building too late would just sit outside of class and hang out instead.

We are not required to go to class, except for group discussions, presentations, labs, etc. Those are how you lose points, not by being late to a "regular" class. Same with dress code, only required to dress up for certain things.
 
We were required to dress professionally in the classroom. I always hated it. But damn, every time we had an outside speaker (from the BOP, from pharmaceutical companies, from hospitals, from LTC companies, and various other places) they ALWAYS, without fail, complemented our appearance. So the school got lots of positive reinforcement for their policy.

I guess it's good practice for rotations anyway. No jeans on rotation.
 
We were required to dress professionally in the classroom. I always hated it. But damn, every time we had an outside speaker (from the BOP, from pharmaceutical companies, from hospitals, from LTC companies, and various other places) they ALWAYS, without fail, complemented our appearance. So the school got lots of positive reinforcement for their policy.

I guess it's good practice for rotations anyway. No jeans on rotation.

I'd be extra annoyed having to change out of professional wear into scrubs (and vice versa) since I usually backed up my work shifts with school.

It's all a front, y'all are freaks on the inside, admit it!
 
I'd be extra annoyed having to change out of professional wear into scrubs (and vice versa) since I usually backed up my work shifts with school.

It's all a front, y'all are freaks on the inside, admit it!

We had a locker room at work. But I usually just wore whatever I wore to class to work.

Oh and it's definitely a front. I hated dressing like that for class. But it's easier for girls. We can get away with more (khakis and a simple sweater or blouse). Guys had to be in dress shirts and a tie everyday. Yuck!
 
You know who is usually the best dress in a hospital? The pharmacist intern!
 
You guys are going to envy me but I wear pjs to class on days I pull all nighters since I live across the street from school, pjs ! Thank god they are at least not uptight about that - that's how it should be, your professsionalism should be judged by your personal ethics, qualities, dedication and slaving away not a pathetic pair of pants.
 
The whole UofA had a "swimsuit" day on behalf the Arizona Cancer Center- people wore their swimsuits to class wearing sunscreen/sunblock and hats to raise awareness for skin cancer. It was nice going down to main campus to watch all the eye candy pass by :meanie:
 
The whole UofA had a "swimsuit" day on behalf the Arizona Cancer Center- people wore their swimsuits to class wearing sunscreen/sunblock and hats to raise awareness for skin cancer. It was nice going down to main campus to watch all the eye candy pass by :meanie:

That's a great idea and excuse to be slutty.

Like Halloween in May.
 
Pretty much!

FTR, I didn't wear a bathing suit. I had a lunch meeting with a preceptor about shadowing. But, it was fun to look!

We had something similar at my undergrad campus, but it was Love feast day or love day, no noble causes but a whole lot of slutiness. People just wore pure underwear - I was walking up to class and this girl in front of me was wearing a lacy thong from Victoria secret ever-so-calmly like it was a pair of shorts. In the bright daylight !

I have never seen so many pairs of boobs in my life in one place in one day.
 
We had something similar at my undergrad campus, but it was Love feast day or love day, no noble causes but a whole lot of slutiness. People just wore pure underwear - I was walking up to class and this girl in front of me was wearing a lacy thong from Victoria secret ever-so-calmly like it was a pair of shorts. In the bright daylight !

I have never seen so many pairs of boobs in my life in one place in one day.

Either you're teasing me or UCSF is one of the greatest schools in the nation :laugh:

EDIT: wait... You said undergrad. Well, wherever that is, sounds awesome :laugh:
 
We had a locker room at work. But I usually just wore whatever I wore to class to work.
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Can't do that working in the IV room or going into OR's =(

But eh, it's over now! At least all the dressing up you do isn't really in vain, it's so you match the other professionals on staff and not to give your dean a hard on.
 
Can't do that working in the IV room or going into OR's =(

But eh, it's over now! At least all the dressing up you do isn't really in vain, it's so you match the other professionals on staff and not to give your dean a hard on.

I wear regular clothes for the IV room. Most of the pharmacists do too. If we go to the OR we have to change into THEIR scrubs. Aren't allowed to wear our own.
 
We were required to dress professionally in the classroom. I always hated it. But damn, every time we had an outside speaker (from the BOP, from pharmaceutical companies, from hospitals, from LTC companies, and various other places) they ALWAYS, without fail, complemented our appearance. So the school got lots of positive reinforcement for their policy.

I guess it's good practice for rotations anyway. No jeans on rotation.

I would die if that happened in the classroom.

I've had a few rotations where I showed up in business casual and they told me to wear jeans the next day.
 
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