So Now The AOA is Billing Your Program For Dues?

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Seriously, take a hint. The fact that I didn't respond to your three previous dues statements might be a good indicator that I have no use for your organization.

Sending a bill for dues to my program director isn't going to score you any points.

So that there's no confusion...

...PLEASE CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP!
 
If you feel so strongly about the organization that made it possible for you to become a physician with equal rights to MDs, perhaps instead of posting this here you should send a letter directly to the AOA (with your real name, not your screen name).
 
If you feel so strongly about the organization that made it possible for you to become a physician with equal rights to MDs, perhaps instead of posting this here you should send a letter directly to the AOA (with your real name, not your screen name).

Stop being such a fricken AOA cheerleader and guilt-tripper. If the AMA sent an bill for a membership that you did not ask for, you'd be pissed. But because it's the AOA, you get all huffy and talk about how if it weren't for them we wouldn't exist instead of focusing on the fact that sending a membership bill to the program is slimy. Puh-lease.
 
Stop being such a fricken AOA cheerleader and guilt-tripper. If the AMA sent an bill for a membership that you did not ask for, you'd be pissed. But because it's the AOA, you get all huffy and talk about how if it weren't for them we wouldn't exist instead of focusing on the fact that sending a membership bill to the program is slimy. Puh-lease.

I'm assuming that the OP is in a residency program because he talks about a "program director" (although he states he's a "medical student"). If he's in an osteopathic residency program, he will have to belong to the AOA or he will not be able to become board certified. It's not slimy, it's the AOA making sure the resident will be able to sit for board certification. Love it or hate it, those are the rules. Of course, the OP probably is not in an osteopathic program. Besides, why would it be slimy for the AOA to ask a DO to become a member of the AOA?

Now, whether you hate it or not, the AOA has made it possible for you to have the same rights to practice medicine in the US as MDs. Period. End of story. Deal with it.

As a matter of fact, the AMA sends me bills for membership all the time that I simply do not reply to. I don't get pissed. I certainly don't come here and post immature, angry anonymous posts.

1- Talk to your program director and ask him to discard the letters for you.

2- Man up and send a letter to the AOA saying that you're a DO who hates the requests and does not want membership (use your real name too)

3- Yes, I understand you all hate the AOA. That's clear. Got it. We're on the same page. I hear you.

If you want to engage in a mature discussion, go ahead. Don't give me this childish kid crap of "Puh-lease", "fricken" (too chicken to use the real word?)or whatever (at least I give you credit for not using the word "dude").

It's regrettable that the AOA is such a victim of its own success. Now that US DOs have such practice rights (thanks to the AOA), DOs see no need for the AOA...until there's something that comes up that threatens practice rights or DO "prestige" and then everyone sends letters asking the AOA to help and intervene.
 
I'm assuming that the OP is in a residency program because he talks about a "program director" (although he states he's a "medical student"). If he's in an osteopathic residency program, he will have to belong to the AOA or he will not be able to become board certified. It's not slimy, it's the AOA making sure the resident will be able to sit for board certification. Love it or hate it, those are the rules. Of course, the OP probably is not in an osteopathic program. Besides, why would it be slimy for the AOA to ask a DO to become a member of the AOA?

Now, whether you hate it or not, the AOA has made it possible for you to have the same rights to practice medicine in the US as MDs. Period. End of story. Deal with it.

As a matter of fact, the AMA sends me bills for membership all the time that I simply do not reply to. I don't get pissed. I certainly don't come here and post immature, angry anonymous posts.

1- Talk to your program director and ask him to discard the letters for you.

2- Man up and send a letter to the AOA saying that you're a DO who hates the requests and does not want membership (use your real name too)

3- Yes, I understand you all hate the AOA. That's clear. Got it. We're on the same page. I hear you.

If you want to engage in a mature discussion, go ahead. Don't give me this childish kid crap of "Puh-lease", "fricken" (too chicken to use the real word?)or whatever (at least I give you credit for not using the word "dude").

It's regrettable that the AOA is such a victim of its own success. Now that US DOs have such practice rights (thanks to the AOA), DOs see no need for the AOA...until there's something that comes up that threatens practice rights or DO "prestige" and then everyone sends letters asking the AOA to help and intervene.

Take a step back junior and read for comprehension. Sending unasked for membership bills to my program is slimy. Doesn't matter who it is. Your knee-jerk reaction is to the defense of the AOA. Yes, we understand you love the AOA. That's clear. Got it. We're on the same page. I hear you.

If the OP is not at a DO residency, and based on his dislike of anything osteopathic, is a good bet, then he does *not* have to pay AOA dues, and he does *not* need AOA membership for board certification, so that entire first half of your post is absolute hot air.

The AOA paving the way for licensure and practice parity has nothing to do with an inappropriate billing for membership. No one brings this up except for you. It's not the issue at hand. Focus, dude. Period. End of story. Deal with it.
 
If the OP is not at a DO residency, and based on his dislike of anything osteopathic, is a good bet, then he does *not* have to pay AOA dues, and he does *not* need AOA membership for board certification, so that entire first half of your post is absolute hot air.

Right on all counts. I'll be happy to write to the AOA asking them to cancel my membership. I clearly shouldn't have made the mistake of assuming that they would act like a mature professional organization with voluntary membership and take "no response" to mean "not interested."
 
Seriously, take a hint. The fact that I didn't respond to your three previous dues statements might be a good indicator that I have no use for your organization.

I just got this yesterday too.

WTF?

bth
 
Seriously, take a hint. The fact that I didn't respond to your three previous dues statements might be a good indicator that I have no use for your organization.

Sending a bill for dues to my program director isn't going to score you any points.

So that there's no confusion...

...PLEASE CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP!
One issue, do you intend to seek AOA certification? if so do not cut off your links quite yet...but if you are currently in an allopathic residency and intend to seek solely allopathic certification, feel free to cut all links to the AOA and do not pay thier dues....
Those who are AOA certified wish they could do the same without losing thier certification..
 
One issue, do you intend to seek AOA certification? if so do not cut off your links quite yet...but if you are currently in an allopathic residency and intend to seek solely allopathic certification, feel free to cut all links to the AOA and do not pay thier dues....
Those who are AOA certified wish they could do the same without losing thier certification..

Is what they say about programs paying dues true? Do programs ever pay "AOA" dues? I could see professional specialty society dues, but AOA dues?

Just curious.

bth
 
Just make sure to be a paying member when applying for Resolution 42; it's one of the requirements.
 
I got the same thing. If you actually take the time to read it, it does say they sent a bill to your program. They say they do it because some programs will automatically pay for these things. Some will and some won't. If they don't, it isn't like they can force a collection against the program.
 
I got the same thing. If you actually take the time to read it, it does say they sent a bill to your program. They say they do it because some programs will automatically pay for these things. Some will and some won't. If they don't, it isn't like they can force a collection against the program.

We did read it.

But apparently you didn't "actually take the time" to read this thread.

We know it says they sent a bill to our programs.

That's what we are pissed about. We don't want them sending a bill to our programs, and we certainly don't want our programs giving the AOA money, voluntarily or otherwise.

Why would the AOA send a bill to MY employer to pay dues for membership to an organization of which I don't wish to be a member?

bth
 
We did read it.

But apparently you didn't "actually take the time" to read this thread.

We know it says they sent a bill to our programs.

That's what we are pissed about. We don't want them sending a bill to our programs, and we certainly don't want our programs giving the AOA money, voluntarily or otherwise.

Why would the AOA send a bill to MY employer to pay dues for membership to an organization of which I don't wish to be a member?

bth

I guess I didn't realize it was simply about your hatred of the AOA.
 
I guess I didn't realize it was simply about your hatred of the AOA.

Taking issue with the fact that an organization is billing my employer for a service I don't want . . . that's not hatred.

Would you be happy if Taco Bell billed your employer for a lunch you didn't eat, with your name on the bill?

It's common sense, not hate.
 
Taking issue with the fact that an organization is billing my employer for a service I don't want . . . that's not hatred.

Would you be happy if Taco Bell billed your employer for a lunch you didn't eat, with your name on the bill?

It's common sense, not hate.

Sure, i'd be unhappy if I paid for taco bell I didn't eat.


Time for a little honestly though. It wouldn't take long to show any number of posts in which you try to make the AOA, Touro or D.O. programs in general look like crap.

This is just another reason for you to whine about the AOA. I got the letter. I didn't pay. I don't give a crap if they sent a letter to my program or not. I don't care if my program happens to pay or not.

It doesn't take much to make some people unhappy. Find something better to do with your time besides complain about everything.
 
Sure, i'd be unhappy if I paid for taco bell I didn't eat.


Time for a little honestly though. It wouldn't take long to show any number of posts in which you try to make the AOA, Touro or D.O. programs in general look like crap.

This is just another reason for you to whine about the AOA. I got the letter. I didn't pay. I don't give a crap if they sent a letter to my program or not. I don't care if my program happens to pay or not.

It doesn't take much to make some people unhappy. Find something better to do with your time besides complain about everything.

#1 You may have noticed that it wasn't me who started this thread, nor the "whining." I simply confirmed that I too was annoyed at being billed for something I didn't want. Then you jumped in and decided to start making personal attacks, rather than comment on the topic.

#2 You apparently have not noticed that the last thread that I started was a thread PRAISING an osteopathic organization for their excellent policy decision. (link)

#3 It is behavior like yours that makes osteopathic medicine look like a group of thoughtless hicks.

I have raised specific concerns regarding specific issues about the osteopathic medical schools, Touro, the AOA and its education policies. Rather than simply inflate my own personal concerns with heresay, I have made the effort to cite leaders within our profession to substantiate my position.

For example, when Steven Shannon, president of the AACOM recently published,

The simultaneous movement away from osteopathic medicine's traditionally separate training and practice systems, when coupled with its rapid growth, has created a sense of crisis as to its future. The rapid rate of growth has raised questions as to the availability of clinical and basic science faculty and clinical resources to accommodate the increasing load of students. (PMID 19474542)

Or I have cited studies published in the Journal of the American Osteopathic Association, as here:

at graduation, 45% of new DOs reported that they were "turned off" by the osteopathic medical profession . . .

there is some consensus that many osteopathic medical students might not highly value the DO degree . . .

Many recent osteopathic medical graduates will state that they are either disinterested in or reluctant to embrace the DO difference. (PMID 19654272)

In spite of my efforts to cite sources and use published data in raising my concerns about our profession, many DOs respond to any and all concerns raised about the AOA and osteopathic medicine with the same vitriol as you have.

Their bruised egos are trained to attack at the first suggestion that osteopathic medicine is anything less than perfect. The pattern of attack is always the same.

They attempt to undermine the speaker personally. They dismiss the discussion of legitimate concerns, and ignore the concerns. They suggest that the speaker is simply trying to "make osteopathic medicine look bad", implying or outright accusing him of being a "traitor".

I have done my best to raise concerns in a mature, informed and meaningful way that promotes change and growth for this troubled profession.

And no, I haven't always succeeded in that goal. But dude, I am trying.

Please end this petty bickering and name-calling. Please raise the level of discourse to the degree of professionalism and genuine investigation of which our profession can be proud.

If you agree that the AOA sending my employer a bill for a service I didn't purchase is whack, then say that.

If you disagree, that's not a problem, but do so in a respectful manner.

bth
 
behavior[/I] like yours that makes osteopathic medicine look like a group of thoughtless hicks.


I make the osteopathic profession look like thoughtless hicks?? by saying that I don't care about a letter and the fact that others should move on and not be so upset by a letter?? Because I don't have a fit about every little thing that makes me unhappy??

Please point out one occasion where I have protested in front of a school or made a video because I disagree with polices that didn't support my own personal agenda.. You've done both of those. You've made an ass of yourself plenty of times. Don't worry though, i'm the one that conducts myself without class!!!

Go on with your histrionic behavior...
 
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