So SGU got hit by hurricane and moved students to UCLAN in the UK...

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Have a buddy who is going there now, and he says it's not bad or good, just the same. But what does that mean for the students? Is that better or worse for them if they are from the US trying to get residency in US? I don't know anything about that school.

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I have a friend who was supposed to start at AUC this fall and told me the exact same thing. It will be a tough road ahead for Caribbean students for sure, as if it wasn't already.
 
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Why can't they just do med school through online modules. Then just study Robbins, Goljan, Pathoma, Sketchy Micro and Pharm, and just do UW questions. I mean all that matters from your 4 years in medical school is Step 1. Who cares if they don't do clinicals or get lectures their first two years?
 
Why can't they just do med school through online modules. Then just study Robbins, Goljan, Pathoma, Sketchy Micro and Pharm, and just do UW questions. I mean all that matters from your 4 years in medical school is Step 1. Who cares if they don't do clinicals or get lectures their first two years?
Step 2 also matters to a great extent. Know a guy that killed Step 1, got cocky, bombed Step 2 and now he's hurting.
 
Why can't they just do med school through online modules. Then just study Robbins, Goljan, Pathoma, Sketchy Micro and Pharm, and just do UW questions. I mean all that matters from your 4 years in medical school is Step 1. Who cares if they don't do clinicals or get lectures their first two years?

While hyperbolic as usual there's a point in this. If schools refuse to do vertical integration of course material with meaningful clinical experience starting from day 1, we're honestly better off leaving the first two years of basic science to commercial vendors that specialize in delivery of content than professors just lecturing to fulfill their job requirements.

It's frustrating because every school I interviewed at describes early clinical exposure because it's the new buzzword LCME's pushing, but school's are not truly doing much outside of making medical students get dressed up with their white coats and ask histories one day a week. I've heard some schools actually have programs where they start mini-clerkships from day 1. At Emory, apparently the first week was actually on the surgery floors starting at 4 AM. I think that's the kind of spirit all medical schools need to adapt.
 
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While hyperbolic as usual there's a point in this. If school's refuse to do vertical integration of course material with meaningful clinical experience starting from day 1, we're honestly better off leaving leaving the first two years of basic science to commercial vendors that specialize in delivery of content than professors just lecturing to fulfill their job requirements.
I've been making this argument for some time. With modern technology, we should just find the absolute best professors in each category, record their lectures, and send those along with standardized tests to medical students throughout the country. Every doctor would get the best education instead of just whatever lecture a professor cobbled together between their research projects.
 
I've been making this argument for some time. With modern technology, we should just find the absolute best professors in each category, record their lectures, and send those along with standardized tests to medical students throughout the country. Every doctor would get the best education instead of just whatever lecture a professor cobbled together between their research projects.

I know you have. We have participated in the same threads and I 100% agree with your points. We need to get together and make our own medical school!😉
 
Why can't they just do med school through online modules. Then just study Robbins, Goljan, Pathoma, Sketchy Micro and Pharm, and just do UW questions. I mean all that matters from your 4 years in medical school is Step 1. Who cares if they don't do clinicals or get lectures their first two years?
To match most residencies step 1 is most important. Some also think step 2 as important or perhaps more important (e.g. psychiatry). However, what kind of ridiculous comment is this? Do you honestly believe that having step 1 knowledge is all you need to be able to treat patients as a first year resident?
 
To match most residencies step 1 is most important. Some also think step 2 as important or perhaps more important (e.g. psychiatry). However, what kind of ridiculous comment is this? Do you honestly believe that having step 1 knowledge is all you need to be able to treat patients as a first year resident?
I believe he was being facetious...
 
I've been making this argument for some time. With modern technology, we should just find the absolute best professors in each category, record their lectures, and send those along with standardized tests to medical students throughout the country. Every doctor would get the best education instead of just whatever lecture a professor cobbled together between their research projects.
The only argument against this is that we'd be lacking in diversity of education, which could potentially put the entire medical field at risk for developing tunnel vision with regards to particular issues (i.e. everyone was taught one particular set of ideas, and now no one questions the ones that aren't actually sound).

However, I don't think capitalism would even allow the scenario described above. I wouldn't be at all against medical schools making contracts with commercial companies to design a largely "cut-and-paste" basic science curriculum based on a large bank of lectures/study materials, all designed by physicians of course. As of now, Kaplan already basically makes a complete medical school curriculum worth of material, and you can access pretty much all of it for a few hundred $. Boards and Beyond consistently outperforms my school's lectures and it's literally just one guy and a microphone, and it costs $200. You'd have tons of competitors in the field, and there would still be diversity in what was taught.

This approach also leaves the rest of the curriculum, the clinical parts of 1st and 2nd year and all of 3rd/4th year, up to the schools. My school's attitude, and I think most schools are like this, is basically that they care way more about the clinical side of your education than the 2 years of what amounts to step 1 prep that comprises the majority of what they actually have to put together. My administration would find a way to mess this up. Probably they'd add even more midlevel training programs as tuition mills and further cut down on the number of physicians able (and willing) to take time out to teach medical students, or they'd forget there was a basic science curriculum and insist we spend 20 hours/week pretending to council each other about alcohol abuse while taking art classes to develop our sense of human expression. Still though, I believe there are schools that could understand that they absolutely suck at educating, and those schools could develop an awesome, integrated curriculum around this idea.
 
While hyperbolic as usual there's a point in this. If schools refuse to do vertical integration of course material with meaningful clinical experience starting from day 1, we're honestly better off leaving the first two years of basic science to commercial vendors that specialize in delivery of content than professors just lecturing to fulfill their job requirements.

It's frustrating because every school I interviewed at describes early clinical exposure because it's the new buzzword LCME's pushing, but school's are not truly doing much outside of making medical students get dressed up with their white coats and ask histories one day a week. I've heard some schools actually have programs where they start mini-clerkships from day 1. At Emory, apparently the first week was actually on the surgery floors starting at 4 AM. I think that's the kind of spirit all medical schools need to adapt.

I appreciated getting practice with histories and physicals on real patients + standardized before clerkships, but idk how useful it would be to start mini-clerkships in M1. I remember that our small groups for case discussions sucked first year because we were all terrible at differential and signs/symptoms/testing for all the common stuff that everyone knew by the time Step 1 rolled around. I think those mini-clerkships could easily become a glorified shadowing program and just waste time.
 
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