So who didn't get in with pretty good or impressive stat?

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I think dental school matriculation rate is becoming lower and lower each year, or it just seems very difficult. I believe I read somewhere that med school matriculation rate (applicant vs matriculant) is close to 50%, yet dental school matriculation rate is about 46%. That may or may not have significant meaning, but I think it could really mean that it's becoming harder and harder to get in because average accepted student's stats are not average anymore.


So if you think you have very good to impressive stat and didn't get in, let's hear it.
 
If accepted student's average stats are well above the average stats, what that tells me is there are a number of students with far below average stats who drag down the numbers (in this case the median would be higher than the mean). It would make sense that they don't matriculate and drag down the percentage.

I will try to dig up stats on this so we can see for sure, but if you're correct in that the matriculant stats are getting to be higher and higher than average stats, all that tells me is that there are more and more applicants who apply despite not having a serious chance at admission.


I guess I should have said "average matriculants are no longer what they used to be, 3.4/19DAT. More like 3.6/21DAT it feels like."

Not saying there are people getting in with lower stats, but it seems like it's getting very competitive to even get considered.
 
I guess I should have said "average matriculants are no longer what they used to be, 3.4/19DAT. More like 3.6/21DAT it feels like."

Not saying there are people getting in with lower stats, but it seems like it's getting very competitive to even get considered.
It is.
People are catching on that medicine isn't all its cracked up to be. With all of the Healthcare reform, many are choosing dentistry instead.
That's just my take, but I could be wrong.
 
It is.
People are catching on that medicine isn't all its cracked up to be. With all of the Healthcare reform, many are choosing dentistry instead.
That's just my take, but I could be wrong.


this too. I was actually considering medicine for a while but I didn't have the drive to go through all the residency and deal with hospital politics and what not.
I work in a hospital and I see way too many things. I've been here 5 years and I am ready to get outta here! (and I AM !!)
 
I guess I should have said "average matriculants are no longer what they used to be, 3.4/19DAT. More like 3.6/21DAT it feels like."

I'm seeing an increase in competitiveness too. You're right.

My theory is the number of second generation immigrants. I have a very high number of peers from undergrad whose parents moved here when they were younger, or moved right around the time their kid (my peer) was born. These kids are generally very hard workers, disciplined, intelligent, and want to show their parents that they appreciate their hard work and sacrifice. These kids make great applicants for health professions schools and no doubt strengthen the applicant pool greatly.

Just my take though.

Yep. I second this. I think it's an amalgam (pun intended) of factors though and I think @schmoob 's point that Medicine is losing attraction is also a piece of the puzzle.

It is getting more competitive to be considered, which can only be a good thing for the future of our profession and our patients.

We're going to become like Canada, aren't we?
 
It is getting more competitive to be considered, which can only be a good thing for the future of our profession and our patients.

True! But I feel bad for people who has worked hard to build their stats while working part or full time, but just couldn't make it to the level to be considered competitive.
I am not saying I was disadvantaged severely, but I've had difficulties during and after undergraduate years and my application does reflect some of those difficulties.
I am sure there are people who think they could have done better have they not been through a lot of difficulties in their lives.
 
By normal standards, I'm average.
By SDN standards, I'm way below average. :laugh:

It may be getting more competitive, but just realize SDN isn't a realistic representation of the applicant pool.

that's damn right. Sometimes SDN makes you feel like you are nothing. I am slight below average and sometimes I feel like a reject/failure.
Past 2 years of applying, I've been through so much stress I've lost so much hair on my crown LOL or I am just getting old.
 
I totally get what you're saying. The thing its, it's so competitive that there are thousands of applicants who had some combination of financial struggles, having to work during undergrad, family difficulty, personal issues, illness etc that there are people with hardships who still do have great stats. Adcoms can't really measure "who had it worse", and have to just go by the numbers, ECs, LORs, and personal statements because that's the best method they've got. It's a tough process and sometimes it takes more than just hard work to get in. It sucks but it's just the way it is.

+1, more the reason to write an awesome PS that truly reflects who you are and what you've been through. I guess the interview is another chance for an applicant to tell the ADCOM that the numbers that they see is not everything.
 
If it weren't for the personal statement, that often times people botch up, ad coms could care less about your upbringing/history. It's unfortunate that if you can't convey your struggles in 4,500 characters that's most likely it for you.
 
I totally get what you're saying. The thing its, it's so competitive that there are thousands of applicants who had some combination of financial struggles, having to work during undergrad, family difficulty, personal issues, illness etc that there are people with hardships who still do have great stats. Adcoms can't really measure "who had it worse", and have to just go by the numbers, ECs, LORs, and personal statements because that's the best method they've got. It's a tough process and sometimes it takes more than just hard work to get in. It sucks but it's just the way it is.
I agree it's tough for adcoms, I don't envy them.
Some just want numbers. Others want to see volunteer, ec, community service, etc.
But I think a lot of them do try to gauge "who had it worse," and then look at the numbers "in spite of." How did they overcome these obstacles to get to the point where they are ready to apply to dental school. I would also imagine that the adcoms would need a seriously fine-tuned BS meter. I would love to be a fly on the wall as they read some people's personal statements.
A person with super high stats with no other obligations but school may not make the best dentist (or they may), as opposed to someone with lower stats who has had to juggle many many other responsibilities. So how do you compare them? Is the person with higher stats more fit for admission? Or the person with dedication, time management, prioritization, and life experience? Again, there is no clear answer.
To be transparent, my stats are low. Like, way low. But that's because I dug myself into a hole many years ago. Since then I've grown, matured, and accomplished A LOT. I was fortunate enough to be accepted. My academic performance did not show an upward trend, but a complete 180. If my transcripts from 10 years ago and beyond are overlooked, I believe I am a competitive applicant. But because they are not, I was quickly rejected by many schools.
The reason I think I will do well in dental school is because I will not have as many things to juggle (work), plus my kids are getting older and less clingy. I've also seen the real world (not to say other applicants haven't), but I don't want to struggle, or work for someone where I have to ask permission for EVERYTHING (except for my wife, but that's just how it is... 🙂 )
The adcoms saw my dedication to my goal, so they gave me the opportunity to go to dental school.
I can't imagine if at this point in my life if I had zero obligations except for school how well I'd do. I imagine i would do very very well. Life is all about balance though.

Wow. So that turned into a speech unexpectedly...
Sorry folks 🙂
 
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