Some general questions for the DOs

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Hey everybody, I'm an undergrad considering DO or MD school and I had a few questions.
- has anyone heard anything about the new DO school that is opening in Georgia?
- do you think it is generally harder for DOs to find residencies than their MD counterparts?
- Do you think some MDs that are already have their own practice would hesitate to add a DO rather than an MD?
- As DOs, do you guys frequently have to explain your degree to non medical people, and if so, does this get frustrating at all?

Thanks!
 
snoopy69 said:
Hey everybody, I'm an undergrad considering DO or MD school and I had a few questions.
- has anyone heard anything about the new DO school that is opening in Georgia?
- do you think it is generally harder for DOs to find residencies than their MD counterparts?
- Do you think some MDs that are already have their own practice would hesitate to add a DO rather than an MD?
- As DOs, do you guys frequently have to explain your degree to non medical people, and if so, does this get frustrating at all?

Thanks!

No.
Depends on the residency. Family Practice, No. Orthopedic Surgery, Yes.
No.
No, No.
 
snoopy69 said:
Hey everybody, I'm an undergrad considering DO or MD school and I had a few questions.
- has anyone heard anything about the new DO school that is opening in Georgia?
- do you think it is generally harder for DOs to find residencies than their MD counterparts?
- Do you think some MDs that are already have their own practice would hesitate to add a DO rather than an MD?
- As DOs, do you guys frequently have to explain your degree to non medical people, and if so, does this get frustrating at all?

Thanks!

-yes
-no (they have more to choose from---both DO & MD programs; MD's can only apply to MD programs)
-possibly, if they are uneducated on the matter
-yes, but then again some student nurses or other allied health people think they are in "medical school"
 
snoopy69 said:
Hey everybody, I'm an undergrad considering DO or MD school and I had a few questions.
- has anyone heard anything about the new DO school that is opening in Georgia?
- do you think it is generally harder for DOs to find residencies than their MD counterparts?
- Do you think some MDs that are already have their own practice would hesitate to add a DO rather than an MD?
- As DOs, do you guys frequently have to explain your degree to non medical people, and if so, does this get frustrating at all?

Thanks!

-No I have not.

-Depends on the residency, but "generally", no and perhaps even easier than MDs, since in general more people go into less competitive areas. However for competitive areas, it is still difficult for MDs or DOs. Additionaly to the above poster, if you check the Ortho admissions rates compared to the amount of DOs vs MDs, you will see that DOs are actually disproportionately more populus in ortho than MDs. What does that mean to you? Not a whole lot actually, other than MD or DO, you can do it or any other area.

-Sure some would, and some DOs would be hesitant to add MDs to their already established practice. For the most part however, this is not a problem. Even Harvard, considered to be among the pickest of places, has DOs on staff.

-I have to explain it a lot yes, however i am just beinging this path and everyone around me is new to it. I can see as time goes on, that they are learning and I am not needing to explain it... I think even as a MD i would probablly be doing a lot of explaining. I know as an engineer, i still did some explaining.... just think about like, ppl like to talk....
 
I think you'll find especially in the third and fourth years that your collegues, and, much more importantly, your patients don't care DO or MD. I wish I got to explain what a D.O. is MORE often than I do. The ones that actually do ask me (1 out of 1000) react in a positive way. I think the general trend is that most patients don't care one bit...and the ones that do notice those two letters already know what they mean. Unless you go somewhere that is known to be "DO unfriendly" (whatever that means) you will find that it is definitely a NON ISSUE. If you want to hear debates about it troll the pre-osteo threads. These are the only people that care.

Here's what makes the residency application process more painful for D.O.s: Most of the best DO programs are (not coincidently) in one of the 5 states that require an osteopathic internship year. The D.O. has the choice to suck it up and do an extra year (may not sound like a big deal now, but it will later) or try to compete for an M.D. slot. Either way....I'd say that I'd rather be competing for residencies as an M.D. instead of as a D.O. as I am now. It's just an easier path with less obstacles and MANY of my 4th year classmates going through the same process right now share the same sentiments. For example, There's an M.D. residency in Michigan I would LOVE to apply to, but I won't. Why? Because the residency won't CONSIDER my application until I have completed an osteopathic internship year. My M.D. colleagues, however, are not required any preliminary training before entering this same residency program. However, those going into Family Practice, Peds, IM....those people have no problem landing slots anywhere they want. I won't even begin to touch on what a Pain in the butt it is when you do the D.O. and M.D. match and gotta throw the dice and gamble at pulling out of the D.O. match since it is first. It's a painful experience that makes me long for the easier path.

Question about the M.D. hiring a D.O. into his practice: A smart M.D. would. As long as a D.O. is under the same roof, the M.D.s can bill under his name for doing any OMM techniques like soft tissue, muscle energy, etc...things that can be taught to the M.D.s and they could do them easily. I've seen it done in integrated clinics with a significant profit bump. Plus there's a small group of people out there that actually PREFER D.O.'s over M.D.'s for whatever reason....so having a D.O. in the practice draws this population, while not turning away those that prefer the M.D. letters. Pulling a D.O. into a group is certainly NOT going be a detriment to an established practice.

Just my .02 since I'm sitting in the ED at two in the morning and we have been on divert the last 8 hours.
 
What are the five states that require Osteopathic Internships?

FL, PA, ,....
 
WV, PA, MI, OK and FL.. I found it.. amazing what a simple search on Google gives.
 
snoopy69 said:
Hey everybody, I'm an undergrad considering DO or MD school and I had a few questions.
- has anyone heard anything about the new DO school that is opening in Georgia?
- do you think it is generally harder for DOs to find residencies than their MD counterparts?
- Do you think some MDs that are already have their own practice would hesitate to add a DO rather than an MD?
- As DOs, do you guys frequently have to explain your degree to non medical people, and if so, does this get frustrating at all?

Thanks!

-I'm not one to ask about that
-generally, no. if you are applying for certain allopathic residencies at CERTAIN hospitals (certain plastic surgery or anesthesia) you will be denied. but these are few and far between.
-maybe some OLD school docs (I've known one), but newer MDs have no problem at all, and some would enjoy the boon of having a manip person in the office
-yes I have to explain to people frequently. it isn't an annoyance after you get your fifteen second monologue down by memory. it certainly isn't anything to dissuade anybody who wants to be an osteopath.
 
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