Some questions from a beginner interested in md/phd

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Hey, I'm new to the forums and had a few questions that I was hoping someone could help answer. (I read the FAQ sticky but still couldn't find some answers)

first of all, how competitive are md/phd program nowadays? What's an avg number accepted at a top med school? What stats would make one competitive for md/phds at top med schools? Obviously I'll try my best in school and on the mcat, but should I also aim for at least two years of part time or full time research? I'm interested in neuroscience but may end up majoring in biology/psych/neuro at my college. Basically I want to know what goals I should have in terms of gpa, mcat, research, ECs, etc. To make me competitive for these programs at top schools. Thank you all for your help!
 
Hey, I'm new to the forums and had a few questions that I was hoping someone could help answer. (I read the FAQ sticky but still couldn't find some answers)

I'm gonna try to answer these

first of all, how competitive are md/phd program nowadays?

quite competitive 🙂

What's an avg number accepted at a top med school?

most top med schools have between 6-25 md phds and the number they accept depends on the school. Generally speaking ~200 students get the majority of the acceptances/interviews to the top schools.

What stats would make one competitive for md/phds at top med schools?

Competitive applicants usually have 3.6+ GPA 36+ MCAT. MCAT scores lower than 34 will not be competitive at top med schools unless your research experience is extensive.

Obviously I'll try my best in school and on the mcat, but should I also aim for at least two years of part time or full time research?

Typical minimum is 3 summers or 2 years. Kind of vague as to whether that needs to be full or part time. Probably full time summers, part time years.

I'm interested in neuroscience but may end up majoring in biology/psych/neuro at my college. Basically I want to know what goals I should have in terms of gpa, mcat, research, ECs, etc. To make me competitive for these programs at top schools. Thank you all for your help!

You need research most importantly. You need some clinical experience. You need some other EC's if possible.
 
thanks for your help!

wow, only 6-25 spots per med school? How many applicants in general are there if around 200 get interviews for each school? I have a family doctor whose daughter is a md/phd at a great state flagship and she has all her tuition, etc. paid for, so I was wondering if this is common for md/phds and if all top med schools offer this.

I'm an incoming freshman so I know it'll be a while until I apply but I would still like to be prepared, something I didn't start in high school until the 10th/11th grade (a little too late).

My plan now is to study hard and get a good gpa, join clubs I like, and try to get a some type of research opportunity in a lab my first semester (but i'm not sure how likely that will be), but I will definitely try to have one for second semester. Maybe over winter break I'll try to shadow a doctor (does this count as clinical experience? How much volunteering is a good amount)

thanks again for all your help!
 
thanks for your help!
wow, only 6-25 spots per med school?

Yup. And a couple take ~2-3 (thinking of Loyola). So you have to be mindful of this if/when you apply. It's good to keep a school or two that accepts more than a handful.

How many applicants in general are there if around 200 get interviews for each school?

be careful how you read dmblue's comments. I think they were trying to say that only about 200 applicants will get in to the top programs, because I'm pretty sure most don't interview 200 people for ~10 spots. Take UCLA for example, simply because they post their numbers. They receive about 300 applications, invite 85 to interview, and accept 10-12. UAB interviews about 40.

I have a family doctor whose daughter is a md/phd at a great state flagship and she has all her tuition, etc. paid for, so I was wondering if this is common for md/phds and if all top med schools offer this.

This is fairly common for md/phd. Not so much for straight md. This is because md/phd is training people for a very selective field in medical research. A lot of the top programs are funding by the NIH and are designated as MSTP, or medical scientist training programs. These schools waive tuition and provide and stipend. Lots of other md/phd programs do this, but to varying extents. However, you can't just do this route for the free ride. It's long and extensive, and they screen people out really well - i'm sure the three day interviews at some schools help to tell who isn't really 100% into the program.


I'm an incoming freshman so I know it'll be a while until I apply but I would still like to be prepared, something I didn't start in high school until the 10th/11th grade (a little too late).

My plan now is to study hard and get a good gpa, join clubs I like, and try to get a some type of research opportunity in a lab my first semester (but i'm not sure how likely that will be), but I will definitely try to have one for second semester. Maybe over winter break I'll try to shadow a doctor (does this count as clinical experience? How much volunteering is a good amount)

thanks again for all your help!

Don't start worrying yet, you are definitely not behind. I applied to colleges about the week before apps were due, because I didn't know better. It worked out for me, but I don't recommend that for higher education (think med school or grad schools).

For any path you choose, your plan to study should be useful. It's always good to have extracurriculars, a variety if possible, and one that you stick with or get a leadership position.

As for research, please don't worry too much about getting that your first year. Use this year to get into the college mode, make good friends, find EC's that you love because you have the most time to explore. After you take some intro science classes and get to know your professors, then maybe go for research your second year. This will not put you at a disadvantage. I didn't have any research outside of classroom labs until my junior year. Once you get into your upper years, then focus on getting an extensive research experience - not just in length, but one where you actually contribute other than your time. Doing a thesis or independent lab if possible is a great idea. My thesis did wonders for me.

Good luck!
 
The 200 thing is tricky to understand..


About 200 people get accepted to the top programs. That's not each top program. Each top program accepts 10-40 depending on how many people they offer who have multiple acceptances. Some schools like columbia/emory accept almost half of who they interview ~(40/85) because they lose many people to harvard/hopkins/uc's/duke/washu/etc. This statistic is vague and doesn't really relate well to individual schools.
 
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