SOO full of themselves

[vixen]

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Ok people...I am a predent and I tutor chemistry at school. Right now I'm at work, and the other kid that tutors (he applied to MSTP) is going on and on about how great MSTP is than MD (he's telling this to the students he's tutoring) because while normal med students have to pay off loans, he'll be "playing around in school and getting paid for it"...and the freshman girls are like, "oh wow, you picked a much better choice, etc etc"...I'm sorry, I have respect for people who do MSTP or anything challenging for that matter, but please, get off your high horse. I want to throw darts at this kid right now...he just keeps going on and on about he's gonna be SO much better off than regular md students. I hope wherever I go to school I won't have to deal with these type of people...I'm sure there everywhere though...Ok, I'm out 😡 😛

 

[vixen]

bumping and grinding

 

[Whisker Barrel Cortex]

Little does he know the 7 years of hell that awaits him! Many MSTP students I have talked to regret their decision. Think about it, 7 years for school, 3-7 years for residency. They will be 35-40 by the time they are done training. That means an income of $40,000 until you are that age. Not that income is the only factor. From what I have seen, you can do just as much research as an MD as an MD/PhD.

 

[Original]

I disapprove of that kid's attitude. He is full of BS in thinking that by being an MD/PhD he will somehow be a better person than a regular MD. People like that make me sick to my stomach. On the other hand I have to disagree with Wisker Barrell Cortex as well. I find it funny when people say it takes TOO long to get an MD/PhD. 3 yrs is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. If one goes into an MD/PhD program for the wrong reasons then they will find it unbearable and TOO long. If one's primary reasons are free ride and residency placement, then it's not going to be worth a minute of it.

On the other hand I still find it hard to believe that there's such a program. You have a career THINKING, solving problems from the cellular level all the way to the bedside. While others might say he11 on Earth, I say too good to be true. Sounds more like some kind of recreational activity to me.

 

[jmejia1]

There will always be arrogant smucks out there. They'll eventually get knocked off thier clouds.

 

[Jalby]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by simseema17:
•bumping and grinding•••••Bumping it a whole 10 minutes after posting. I didn't think there was that much movement on this list.

 

[vixen]

thanks for pointing out my stupidity jalbrekt 😛 🙂

 

[Vader]

Yeah, I agree with Original. There are always going to be some cocky bastards out there, but in reality most of the other MSTP students I have met are very down-to-earth and fairly humble actually. One of the WORST reasons to do the MD/PhD is for financial reasons--in fact interviewers and admissions committees are highly attuned to picking up on that kind of thinking. I don't know exactly what the guy said, but I think his valid point was that one would graduate without debt, which is definitely significant after spending 7-8 years in a program! After all, your MD colleagues will have moved further along in their careers and may already be making significant $. However, to parade the lack of debt around as the reason to do an MD/PhD is simply ridiculous and he is doing a disservice to students in his class and the MSTP in general.

I personally feel very lucky to be getting paid to learn, but I also understand that there is a long and difficult road ahead. It is the prospect of having a challenging and stimulating academic career, making new discoveries, caring for patients, and teaching future generations of students that motivates me to pursue this route.

 

[USeF]

by the sounds of it, this BOY is still trying to convince himself that he chose the right path.

People that give unsolicited advice which includes marginalizing another group tend to lack confidence in their own viewpoint. He sought after that freshman's reply of "ewww.. ahh.. you are so great, you are making the best decision" to simply justify himself.

These are indeed the wrong reasons, and he is unfortunately propogating them. original and vader touch upon all the reasons why.

 

[TinaRose]

This might be a dumb question, but what is MSTP?

 

[choker]

i know quite a few dicks in the MD programs also.

 

[EpiII]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by TinaRose:
•This might be a dumb question, but what is MSTP?•••••MSTP is the program that allows you to get both your MD and PhD degrees at once (more or less). The schooling takes about 7 years and then you do residency on top of that (if you want to practice medicine). I believe the acronym stands for Medical Scientist Training Program

 

[oldman]

epi, that's what MSTP stands for. you are right. 🙂

 

[JJ4]

Simseema -- that guy has the wrong idea completely. If he thinks he's gonna be PLAYING for 7 years he'll be PLAYING for 12 years (at least). Getting through an MSTP in 7 yrs is the minimum and requires a tremendous amount of work, effort and ingenuity ( and good data). If you're doing it for a free MD-ride there's a very rocky road ahead of him as it seems that he doesn't really care for the science itself.

As an entering MD/PhD I admit research and my lab time is one of the most enjoyable experiences in my college career. And as for the MSTP, I don't think there's anything more rewarding than practicing the science you love while having the opportunity to take on the noble vocation of medicine so that we can take our ideas and transform them into tractable therapies. However if you don't love the science and it's the idea of "no-debt" that one's after -- he's really going to get it handed to him in the training.

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