Sources of funding

[MdPhDtomo]

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Hi all,

1. Do any of you know how an institution decides which of their md/phd students get which type of funding? ("MSTP grant," T32, institutional, private, other, etc) 2.
and have any of you had a case in which your source of funding affected which grants/fellowships you could apply for during your graduate training?

 

[StIGMA]

Not a comprehensive reply but in regard to (1), each institution has a certain number of MSTP slots, eg: 4 students/year that will be covered by the grant specifically, and they are listed for the grant. The other students in the program have private funds. This makes no difference for the students- it is purely an administrative matter as far as I know.

For (2), if you are in an MD/PhD program you are ineligible for NSF grants despite your funding source. I do not believe whether you receive MSTP or private funds will affect eligibility for other grants (F30/31).

On the F31 information page it states:
Concurrent Awards
A Kirschstein-NRSA fellowship may not be held concurrently with another federally sponsored fellowship or similar Federal award that provides a stipend or otherwise duplicates provisions of this award.

Presumably if you are awarded this and have MSTP designation, you switch from the T32 to F31 fellowship.

If someone has been through this, please feel free to correct any misinformation.

 

[solitude]

Not a comprehensive reply but in regard to (1), each institution has a certain number of MSTP slots, eg: 4 students/year that will be covered by the grant specifically, and they are listed for the grant. The other students in the program have private funds. This makes no difference for the students- it is purely an administrative matter as far as I know.

For (2), if you are in an MD/PhD program you are ineligible for NSF grants despite your funding source. I do not believe whether you receive MSTP or private funds will affect eligibility for other grants (F30/31).

On the F31 information page it states:
Concurrent Awards
A Kirschstein-NRSA fellowship may not be held concurrently with another federally sponsored fellowship or similar Federal award that provides a stipend or otherwise duplicates provisions of this award.

Presumably if you are awarded this and have MSTP designation, you switch from the T32 to F31 fellowship.

If someone has been through this, please feel free to correct any misinformation.

Yes, when awarded an F31 you have to deactivate yourself from the T32. This enables your program to award that slot to an additional student and thereby saves your program from having to set aside non-T32 money for said student. Yet another reason to apply for these grants.

 

[SBR249]

Yes, when awarded an F31 you have to deactivate yourself from the T32. This enables your program to award that slot to an additional student and thereby saves your program from having to set aside non-T32 money for said student. Yet another reason to apply for these grants.

Most MSTPs don't fund their students during the graduate school years anyway. Their stipend, insurance, etc come from their PIs. The only exceptions may be for the first year when students are taking classes/doing rotations or if your F31 extends into the last years of med school. I've also read somewhere that an MSTP slot is typically only 5 years per student anyway.

 

[mrsanator]

T32s (whether a graduate school training grant or an MSTP grant) and F-class fellowships (both F30s and F31s) are all forms of National Research Service Awards. You can only hold one NRSA appointment at any given time, so yes, you have to give up the T32 slot if you get an F31/F30.

To the best of my knowledge, F31s can only fund graduate school years. In contrast, F30s can definitely fund grad or med or both.

The limit for most predoctoral students is 5 years total NRSA support (T32 and F combined), but MD-PhDs get 6.

 

[solitude]

Most MSTPs don't fund their students during the graduate school years anyway. Their stipend, insurance, etc come from their PIs. The only exceptions may be for the first year when students are taking classes/doing rotations or if your F31 extends into the last years of med school. I've also read somewhere that an MSTP slot is typically only 5 years per student anyway.

as somebody noted below, for MSTPs the limit is 6. MSTPs fund the first two years of grad school before transitioning to PI funding for the remainder of PhD, unless you get an F31, F30 or another outside grant.