Specialization Choices for New Doctoral Student

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Hi everyone!
I just started my doctoral program, and I chose to go a non-clinical route and study general psychology. Does anyone have any advice/experience on what careers are available with this area of study? Its a non-licensure degree, but I currently live in Nevada, where licensure is not required to be a practicing psychologist.
Any feedback would be appreciated!!
Lauren
 
Thank you. Yes, I do mean clinical work. I know that there is generally no clinical work, because of it being non-clinical, but like I said, in Nevada, you can be a clinical, practicing psychologist without a license. However, if I move somewhere else, I know this is not an option. Just looking to find out what careers are an option, besides teaching.
 
I'd actually be interested to see the state law that allows for the practice of psychology without a license, given that the state code stipulates (per the state's website at http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-641.html):

NRS 641.025 "Practice of psychology" defined. "Practice of psychology" means the observation, description, evaluation, interpretation or modification of human behavior by the application of psychological principles, methods or procedures to prevent or eliminate problematic, unhealthy or undesired behavior and to enhance personal relationships and behavioral and mental health. The term includes, without limitation, such specialized areas of competence as:

1. Psychological testing and the evaluation of personal characteristics, including, without limitation, intelligence, personality, abilities, interests, aptitudes and neuropsychological functioning;

2. Counseling;

3. Psychoanalysis;

4. Psychotherapy;

5. Hypnosis;

6. Biofeedback;

7. Analysis and therapy relating to behavior;

8. Diagnosis and treatment of mental or emotional disorders, alcoholism and substance abuse, including, without limitation, disorders of habit or conduct;

9. Psychological aspects of physical injury, illness, accident or disability; and

10. Evaluation, therapy, remediation and consultation relating to the academic performance of the patient.

And that "psychologist," which is a protected term according to this document, is later defined as:

NRS 641.027 "Psychologist" defined. "Psychologist" means a person who:

1. Is a graduate of an academic program approved by the Board and is qualified to practice psychology by reason of education, practical training and experience determined by the Board to be satisfactory; and

2. Has received from the Board a license to practice psychology.

(Added to NRS by 1985, 1906; A 1989, 1540)

And for which the qualifications are apparently this:

NRS 641.170 Qualifications of applicants for licensure as psychologist, behavior analyst and assistant behavior analysts; Board to evaluate application and issue statement of determination; contents of statement. [Effective through December 31, 2011.]

1. Each application for licensure as a psychologist must be accompanied by evidence satisfactory to the Board that the applicant:

(a) Is at least 21 years of age.

(b) Is of good moral character as determined by the Board.

(c) Is a citizen of the United States, or is lawfully entitled to remain and work in the United States.

(d) Has earned a doctorate in psychology from an accredited educational institution approved by the Board, or has other doctorate-level training from an accredited educational institution deemed equivalent by the Board in both subject matter and extent of training.

(e) Has at least 2 years of experience satisfactory to the Board, 1 year of which must be postdoctoral experience in accordance with the requirements established by regulations of the Board.

Edit: and here's what's said about the unlicensed practice of psychology (in addition to allowing physicians, social workers, MFTs, occupational and physical therapists, and I think one or two others to function within their own scopes of practice so long as they don't represent themselves as psychologists):

NRS 641.390 Representation or practice as psychologist without license prohibited; exceptions.

1. A person shall not represent himself or herself as a psychologist within the meaning of this chapter or engage in the practice of psychology unless he or she is licensed under the provisions of this chapter, except that any psychological scientist employed by an accredited educational institution or public agency which has set explicit standards may represent himself or herself by the title conferred upon him or her by such institution or agency.

2. This section does not grant approval for any person to offer services as a psychologist to any other person as a consultant, and to accept remuneration for such psychological services, other than that of an institutional salary, unless the psychologist has been licensed under the provisions of this chapter.

3. This chapter does not prevent the teaching of psychology or psychological research, unless the teaching or research involves the delivery or supervision of direct psychological services to a person. Persons who have earned a doctoral degree in psychology from an accredited educational institution may use the title "psychologist" in conjunction with the activities permitted by this subsection.

4. A graduate student in psychology whose activities are part of the course of study for a graduate degree in psychology at an accredited educational institution or a person pursuing postdoctoral training or experience in psychology to fulfill the requirements for licensure under the provisions of this chapter may use the terms "psychological trainee," "psychological intern," "psychological resident" or "psychological assistant" if the activities are performed under the supervision of a licensed psychologist in accordance with the regulations adopted by the Board.

5. A person who is certified as a school psychologist by the State Board of Education may use the title "school psychologist" or "certified school psychologist" in connection with activities relating to school psychologists.

(Added to NRS by 1963, 189; A 1973, 787; 1989, 1547)

Then again, I don't live in, nor did I train in, Nevada, so who knows.

As for careers, beyond teaching and research (as mentioned above), I'm hard-pressed to think of any jobs that would directly require (or for which you would be explicitly qualified) with a degree in general psychology. This, of course, is excluding positions which just require some type of college degree, of course.

Possibly something like working for a large research lab and making use of whatever statistical acumen and research methods training you can gain in school.

Edit (again): Although looking through the regulations a bit (while I hide from coding things in Excel for a little while), I suppose if you were a member of the clergy, you could offer whatever services they and you feel you might be competent to deliver (not sure how the laws look with regard to clergy members specifically). You could also look into obtaining the behavior analyst qualifications mentioned in the state guidelines, or of course appropriate training at the masters level (e.g., MFT, MSW).

But as to what type of clinical work your particular degree would directly prepare you for, with a lack of supervised practicum training, I'd imagine probably nothing.
 
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Thank you. Yes, I do mean clinical work. I know that there is generally no clinical work, because of it being non-clinical, but like I said, in Nevada, you can be a clinical, practicing psychologist without a license. However, if I move somewhere else, I know this is not an option. Just looking to find out what careers are an option, besides teaching.

I believe your interpretation of the laws is incorrect, though I'd think ethics should/would preclude someone from trying to do it even if there is a loophole in the law. If you want to practice as a clinical psychologist, then go to school to do that; don't try and find exceptions or take shortcuts. It is beyond irritating for non-clinicians to want to "play" psychologist without going through the proper training.
 
Actually, no, I'm not interpreting the laws incorrectly; if working for the state of Nevada (specifically for the state), you can be a clinical psychologist; there is a designation between being a clinical psychologist, non-licensed, and psychologist, licensed. However, my question isn't to focus on that--I am trying to find out what other careers are possible with this degree and specialization.
 
I just started with Capella University.
 
And I don't intend to "play" psychologist. I've been a clinical therapist for 7 years. I just want to go for a more advanced degree.
 
Actually, no, I'm not interpreting the laws incorrectly; if working for the state of Nevada (specifically for the state), you can be a clinical psychologist; there is a designation between being a clinical psychologist, non-licensed, and psychologist, licensed. However, my question isn't to focus on that--I am trying to find out what other careers are possible with this degree and specialization.

If this is indeed the case, then it sounds like it's a situation that's very specific to Nevada. Thus, your best bet will probably be to ask around your workplace and/or on state psychology listserves. At the same time, as has been mentioned, be very cognizant of what it is you're learning/what skills you're acquiring via your degree, and let that help you make an informed decision as to what additional competencies you might have gained.

I do wonder what exactly the state lists as the differences in services delivered, qualifications obtained, etc. between a "non-licensed clinical psychologist" and a "licensed psychologist." I would imagine this is something that would need to be explained to patients?

Given that the degree isn't clinical in nature, my guess is that the main additional skills you're going to acquire are with respect to stats and research design. As the degree is general and not in clinical, I'm not sure that you'll gain much more in-depth coursework in psychopathology. Additionally, much of the higher-level knowledge and training in this (and other clinically-relevant) areas is acquired via supervised practicum experiences.

As has been mentioned via the APA ethics code, for example, if a psychologist takes a class (whether through a university, a weekend workshop, etc.) in substance abuse, that person isn't necessarily going to be competent to treat substance abuse without first seeking additional supervised training/practice.
 
AA- I agree, and thank you. I know that with a gen psych PhD, I'm looking probably at a career in academia. People have mentioned a career in research, but what does that mean? I guess I'm looking for specifics. Does anyone have a job at a corporation with a PhD? What do you do? There has to be more to a non clinical PhD than teaching/research.
 
AA- I agree, and thank you. I know that with a gen psych PhD, I'm looking probably at a career in academia. People have mentioned a career in research, but what does that mean? I guess I'm looking for specifics. Does anyone have a job at a corporation with a PhD? What do you do? There has to be more to a non clinical PhD than teaching/research.

With all due respect, if you don't know the answers to basic questions about what you can do with the degree you are pursuing, I think you are being seriously misguided by your program! No respectable program would have students in such a place.
 
With all due respect, if you don't know the answers to basic questions about what you can do with the degree you are pursuing, I think you are being seriously misguided by your program! No respectable program would have students in such a place.
I understand what you're saying, lol, but like I said, I literally JUST started, as in this is my fourth week into my orientation. I'm asking for help from other professionals to expand my interpretation of the careers that exist within my chosen path.
 
AA- I agree, and thank you. I know that with a gen psych PhD, I'm looking probably at a career in academia. People have mentioned a career in research, but what does that mean? I guess I'm looking for specifics. Does anyone have a job at a corporation with a PhD? What do you do? There has to be more to a non clinical PhD than teaching/research.

I agree with the post above mine in that many of these questions could (and perhaps should) possibly be answered by your degree-granting institution. I'd imagine they must have some sort of career services liason who would be able to help you out.

The trouble with a general psych PhD is that, in all honesty, it likely doesn't directly prepare you for very much. Academic departments are going to want your doctorate (which is, of course, a very specialized and advanced degree) to be in a particular area of study, such as social, cognitive, etc. Those are the subfields that academic and research institutions are likely going to want to see, at least if you'd like to work in psychology directly.

Research jobs would be for places like the NIH/NIMH, academic medical centers, various government agencies, etc. As the degree is in general psych, you may not get many primary investigator (PI)-type jobs, particularly if you don't come out of your program with a strong and coherent research productivity history. You may qualify for positions looking for individuals with advanced training in statistics, although that's something you'd likely need to actively pursue while in school to be sure you receive adequate advanced coursework.

Corporations typically tend to hire I/O psychologists, and many of those are often masters-level individuals. Theoretically anyone can offer to be a consultant on anything; the trick is convincing the company that you actually know what you're talking about and can produce results, which is in part what the degree helps support. With a degree in general psych, I can't think of many corporations that would be looking for that specific qualification. Then again, I'm not by any means even close to an expert in organizational consultation.

Edit: Not to be harsh, but as you mention you've just started the program, and based on the input you've received here thus far, I personally would recommend you consider transferring into a specific subfield (and possibly into a different university if necessary) if at all possible. Doctoral degrees in "general" psychology really aren't very practical or useful for much beyond being able to simply add "Ph.D" after your name, which isn't going to help you very much or get you very far. Otherwise, it's very possible you could end up spending a lot of money for a degree that may not do much (if anything) for you professionally.

That's just my personal opinion, though (n=1).
 
I agree with the post above mine in that many of these questions could (and perhaps should) possibly be answered by your degree-granting institution. I'd imagine they must have some sort of career services liason who would be able to help you out.

The trouble with a general psych PhD is that, in all honesty, it likely doesn't directly prepare you for very much. Academic departments are going to want your doctorate (which is, of course, a very specialized and advanced degree) to be in a particular area of study, such as social, cognitive, etc. Those are the subfields that academic and research institutions are likely going to want to see, at least if you'd like to work in psychology directly.

Research jobs would be for places like the NIH/NIMH, academic medical centers, various government agencies, etc. As the degree is in general psych, you may not get many primary investigator (PI)-type jobs, particularly if you don't come out of your program with a strong and coherent research productivity history. You may qualify for positions looking for individuals with advanced training in statistics, although that's something you'd likely need to actively pursue while in school to be sure you receive adequate advanced coursework.

Corporations typically tend to hire I/O psychologists, and many of those are often masters-level individuals. Theoretically anyone can offer to be a consultant on anything; the trick is convincing the company that you actually know what you're talking about and can produce results, which is in part what the degree helps support. With a degree in general psych, I can't think of many corporations that would be looking for that specific qualification. Then again, I'm not by any means even close to an expert in organizational consultation.

Edit: Not to be harsh, but as you mention you've just started the program, and based on the input you've received here thus far, I personally would recommend you consider transferring into a specific subfield (and possibly into a different university if necessary) if at all possible. Doctoral degrees in "general" psychology really aren't very practical or useful for much beyond being able to simply add "Ph.D" after your name, which isn't going to help you very much or get you very far. Otherwise, it's very possible you could end up spending a lot of money for a degree that may not do much (if anything) for you professionally.

That's just my personal opinion, though (n=1).
I thank you very much for your direction! It provided me with a lot to think on 🙂
 
And I don't intend to "play" psychologist. I've been a clinical therapist for 7 years. I just want to go for a more advanced degree.

Being a therapist and being a clinical psychologist require very different foundations of training. Having prior experience can be helpful with certain things, but adding on a non-clinical degree will not provide the same clinical understanding needed to practice competently, ethically, and within the scope of practice of a psychologist. A large portion of training is not done in the classroom, and it is done under close supervision and mentorship. Doctoral training is far more than taking some classes and doing some research. All of those clinical experiences are vital to establishing competency to practice clinically as a psychologist.

The situation as stated above is akin to someone who was trained in nursing that goes back for a Ph.D. In Healthcare Administration, but they want to practice "like a physician". Some of the original clinical experience can be applied, and some of the new non-clinical training can enhance existing knowledge, but the end result is not sufficient to practice as a clinician in any capacity other than at the original level of licensure. IMHO that is " playing psychologist" because the actual clinical training is not there. The clinical practica, supervision, internship, post-doc/fellowship, EPPP score, jurisprudence, and related training hurdles that are associated with being a psychologist will not be met. If someone wants to teach an undergrad psych class or do research connected to a university....great, but any clinical work in that capacity, with that title would at best be disingenuous.

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I'm sure this probably came off as harsh, but students in clinical and counseling psychology programs work their butts off for 6-8yrs to eventually have the opportunity to practice as a psychologist.
 
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I thank you very much for your direction! It provided me with a lot to think on 🙂

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The good thing is that you literally just began the program. You are not saddled with 150K in debt and trapped after committing 5 years. People have better options with a B.A or master's degree than with a PhD from an online university that has no reputation. It may even hurt your job options to have a degree from capella university. I think it can be damaging in the real world--not just useless.
 
Why would someone start a educational program with no idea what that degree will allow them to do? Seriously, who does that?!
 
Thank you. Yes, I do mean clinical work. I know that there is generally no clinical work, because of it being non-clinical, but like I said, in Nevada, you can be a clinical, practicing psychologist without a license. However, if I move somewhere else, I know this is not an option. Just looking to find out what careers are an option, besides teaching.

So...you would like to see patients with absolutely no training in HOW to see patients?! This is what you want to do?!
 
Why would someone start a educational program with no idea what that degree will allow them to do? Seriously, who does that?!

People who just want to inflate their ego with "Dr." and charge more for services because of it, misleading others.

It's annoying that most people will look at that title and assume the student went through the same process, depth, and length of training as someone who went to a traditional program working their butt off. Quite frankly online universities are an insult to this field as it stands, and an ethical danger. :beat:

On a second note, this is a trend that you see with these students who attend these shady professional schools or online universities. Many have little idea what they can do with their degree and they think it's going to be on the same level as traditional programs (getting the same jobs and competitive level). You'd think people would research the field before saying "Oh, I'm going to become a psychologist and help people!"

Sorry if this seems harsh OP, but you really needed to take more personal responsibility and do more research. I wish you the best of luck, regardless, but my advice is to withdraw.
 
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Yeah, and I guarantee that teaching/academia isn't an option with a degree from Capella, either.
 
People who just want to inflate their ego with "Dr." and charge more for services because of it, misleading others.

It's annoying that most people will look at that title and assume the student went through the same process, depth, and length of training as someone who went to a traditional program working their butt off. Quite frankly online universities are an insult to this field as it stands, and an ethical danger. :beat:

On a second note, this is a trend that you see with these students who attend these shady professional schools or online universities. Many have little idea what they can do with their degree and they think it's going to be on the same level as traditional programs (getting the same jobs and competitive level). You'd think people would research the field before saying "Oh, I'm going to become a psychologist and help people!"

Sorry if this seems harsh OP, but you really needed to take more personal responsibility and do more research. I wish you the best of luck, regardless, but my advice is to withdraw.

Completely agree with the bolded portions. No one would believe that an online medical degree would provide sufficient training to practice as a physician (or even feel that it's a viable option and worth the tuition), and clinical/counseling/school psychology are no different in that respect. Unfortunately, because they're making money on it, as long as students keep taking these schools up on their offers, the offers will keep being made.

Maybe some of this outcry against for-profit/professional schools will eventually result in some legislation that will shut some of these programs down, particularly since our largest professional organization seems hesitant to take steps to protect the field from such training models.
 
Unfortunately and fortunately a lot of these students will never earn their doctorates. Although it doesn't apply to this poster, I remember when I worked at the V.A. we would always have a number of Fielding students doing their externships at our facility. Never fail, post-match time, they would all come back wanting to do informal internships bc they had not matched. Of course the V.A. did not allow them to complete an informal internship at the facility and I think all of them (there were 9 or so) never earned their PhD. This was because Fiielding would expel them because it was hurting their "time to completion" statistic and, thus, endangering their APA-accredited status which is on probation. I did feel bad for them but there was really nothing I could do to help
 
Capella's unaccredited so at least it doesn't have to worry about that?

Sorry, in case you couldn't tell, Capella is at the top of my most hated FSPS list.
 
Capella's unaccredited so at least it doesn't have to worry about that?

Sorry, in case you couldn't tell, Capella is at the top of my most hated FSPS list.

Its become super easy to earn a PhD since there are now 3 year programs at some diploma mills. It will basically become the new BA or master's degree on some level. Lots of professional schools are now offering PsyD/MBA or PsyD/JD in a 5-6 year program (widener has both of these options) as well, flooding the market with dual degree earners (even though they didn't put in extra time). In the end the PhD will become meaningless and there will be several tiers of professionals. Basically, those that went to good universities and have good training vs. graduates of professional schools. There are already two tiers in psychology, 50% or less complete APA internships and the rest complete unaccredited internships and are not competitive for the market place. Since the degree on its own is becoming meaningless, only people who are very skilled will be able to land positions.
 
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There are already two tiers in psychology, 50% or less complete APA internships and the rest complete unaccredited internships and are not competitive for the market place. Since the degree on its own is becoming meaningless, only people who are very skilled will be able to land positions.

This has been my argument for a number of years, as the gap between the two groups continues to grow. APA-acred. status was developed as the minimum standard for training in the field, but it has someone been propped up to represent the "ideal but not required level of training". It is unfortunate that many people will have worked hard and still not be qualified or at least not competitive for most jobs because employers can require APA-acred everything. I happen to agree with that being the minimum standard, but that doesn't mean it is fair to everyone.

I understand what you're saying, lol, but like I said, I literally JUST started, as in this is my fourth week into my orientation. I'm asking for help from other professionals to expand my interpretation of the careers that exist within my chosen path.

Given the competitiveness in the field (both applied and purely academic), I hope you take the time and consider the feedback of everyone in the thread. Being that you just started, you still have an opportunity to avoid taking on mountains of debt (or paying $$$ out of pocket) by choosing a different path. Ultimately these are just opinions, but the vast majority of the people in positions to hire others hold similar views.

Best of luck with your journey.
 
Why would someone start a educational program with no idea what that degree will allow them to do? Seriously, who does that?!
I have an idea of what I can do, I was just looking for expansion from knowledeable collegues. Seriously, who knew there would be so many dicks that, instead of helping someone succeed, they would put them down and insult them, rather than pointing them in the right direction?
 
So...you would like to see patients with absolutely no training in HOW to see patients?! This is what you want to do?!
Perhaps before you bite my head off, you should see that I'm licensed as a mental health counselor--if I wanted to see people clinically, I have the training. Not in testing and assessments to the degree a psychologist does, but training none the less.
 
I agree with the post above mine in that many of these questions could (and perhaps should) possibly be answered by your degree-granting institution. I'd imagine they must have some sort of career services liason who would be able to help you out.

The trouble with a general psych PhD is that, in all honesty, it likely doesn't directly prepare you for very much. Academic departments are going to want your doctorate (which is, of course, a very specialized and advanced degree) to be in a particular area of study, such as social, cognitive, etc. Those are the subfields that academic and research institutions are likely going to want to see, at least if you'd like to work in psychology directly.

Research jobs would be for places like the NIH/NIMH, academic medical centers, various government agencies, etc. As the degree is in general psych, you may not get many primary investigator (PI)-type jobs, particularly if you don't come out of your program with a strong and coherent research productivity history. You may qualify for positions looking for individuals with advanced training in statistics, although that's something you'd likely need to actively pursue while in school to be sure you receive adequate advanced coursework.

Corporations typically tend to hire I/O psychologists, and many of those are often masters-level individuals. Theoretically anyone can offer to be a consultant on anything; the trick is convincing the company that you actually know what you're talking about and can produce results, which is in part what the degree helps support. With a degree in general psych, I can't think of many corporations that would be looking for that specific qualification. Then again, I'm not by any means even close to an expert in organizational consultation.

Edit: Not to be harsh, but as you mention you've just started the program, and based on the input you've received here thus far, I personally would recommend you consider transferring into a specific subfield (and possibly into a different university if necessary) if at all possible. Doctoral degrees in "general" psychology really aren't very practical or useful for much beyond being able to simply add "Ph.D" after your name, which isn't going to help you very much or get you very far. Otherwise, it's very possible you could end up spending a lot of money for a degree that may not do much (if anything) for you professionally.

That's just my personal opinion, though (n=1).
Again, thank you for your advice AA. I've decided to change my specialization to addictions. I ultimately want to go back in to corrections, where I had made a home for 7 years, and would like this to be my focus for reentry guidance.
 
Not sure about state prisons, but if corrections is your focus, you should know that federal prisons (BOP) won't hire you as anything above a masters level practitioner unless you have a clinical/counseling doctoral degree from an APA accredited program - just as an FYI.
 
Again, thank you for your advice AA. I've decided to change my specialization to addictions. I ultimately want to go back in to corrections, where I had made a home for 7 years, and would like this to be my focus for reentry guidance.

So...whats the purpose of this doctorate you're getting? You aren't doing any clinical practica in this doctoral program, so how exactly would you learn anything about working with a substance abuse population?

To most of us, this sounds like you will essentially be doing the same thing you have always done, under the same license you have now (a masters of some sort, apparently?), but you will now have another degree that in no way contributes to your marketability as a clinician (in fact it hurts it if anything since its Cappella), AND has cost you TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars. If you can highlight a realistic benefit here, I am all ears, but as of now, it makes absolutely no sense.

To be "pointed in the right direction" is not always going to be fun to hear (i.e., the degree you're getting is worthless in the clinical and academic marketplace).
 
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Seriously, who knew there would be so many dicks that, instead of helping someone succeed, they would put them down and insult them, rather than pointing them in the right direction?

Seems to me that the replies are trying to help you by pointing you in the direction of another PhD program--one that will give you some direction. Just because you don't like the advice doesn't mean they are putting you down or insulting you. Quite frankly, I think most of us have a lot of sympathy for students in your position. It's flat-out wrong what these schools do and the blame lies solely with them. It's the students who suffer, though.
 
While some advice may sound harsh, it's also anonymous so I'd suggest not taking it personally. Many people in your position end up with no benefit and a huge pile of debt; people here are just trying to explain why it is a bad choice.
 
My question isn't related to the OP's, but I thought this thread would be the best place to ask it. I'm a first-year graduate student in a clinical psychology PhD program and I keep hearing (from various people, professors included) that I should be making my degree "as specialized as possible"--aka finding something to make me unique so that I'm not just another person in the field with a "generic" PhD (their words, not mine). I'm not really sure that I understand how to go about doing that, though. There's no neuropsych track in my program, so that's not an option...and from what I hear the externship situation sucks (aka there aren't that many options to choose from), so it's not like I can make myself "unique" in that way. I suppose I should have asked someone in my program, but I didn't want to come off ignorant 😳 Any ideas as to what they mean / how I should go about doing that? Any advice would be appreciated 🙂
 
I have an idea of what I can do, I was just looking for expansion from knowledeable collegues. Seriously, who knew there would be so many dicks that, instead of helping someone succeed, they would put them down and insult them, rather than pointing them in the right direction?

👍👍
 
"Tracks" and "Concentrations" are 98% marketing...so don't worry about them. What I think they mean is to avoid the pitfall of being a "Jack of All Trades, and Master of None." If you wanting to work in a Primary Care setting, then you'd want to get experience with things like Bariatric Evals, Smoking Cessation, etc. Your training experiences should have some semblance of relatedness. Some people overshoot and ONLY want to focus on a niche area, but at the cost of not being well versed in generalist/foundational learning. My advice is to get the basics down, but then use the back part of your schooling and then internship, post-doc, etc. to hone in on a particular area.
 

read the 4-5 posts above. People don't have to always have to like the advice we give about their situation/program.

To the other question, I think real specialization can come after the doctorate (from internship and post-doc experiences). Indeed, I would argue that's the way it should be.
 
read the 4-5 posts above. People don't have to always have to like the advice we give about their situation/program.

To the other question, I think real specialization can come after the doctorate (from internship and post-doc experiences). Indeed, I would argue that's the way it should be.

huh? Simply because I'm bored out of my mind, do explain.
When did I asked a question?
 
huh? Simply because I'm bored out of my mind, do explain.
When did I asked a question?

You didnt ask a question. Someone else did.
 
Then why'd you quote my little thumbs up and told me to "read the 4-5 posts above"? Boredom is making me confused.

To point out that no one was "insulting" anyone? To point out that the person simply didn't like the fact that multiple posters told him he had a made a foolhardy educational decision and its difficult to understand why the decision was made in the first place.
 
To point out that no one was "insulting" anyone? To point out that the person simply didn't like the fact that multiple posters told him he had a made a foolhardy educational decision and its difficult to understand why the decision was made in the first place.

I don't really get it either.
 
To point out that no one was "insulting" anyone? To point out that the person simply didn't like the fact that multiple posters told him he had a made a foolhardy educational decision and its difficult to understand why the decision was made in the first place.

Ahh...so you essentially took my opinion and the OP's opinion as ....wrong.

Interesting.
Oh, nice touch on the presumptuous "foolhardy educational decision" comment.

Well now that the mystery of why my thumbs up got a nice lecture, I can go back to not caring.
 
To provide a bit of context to some of the responses....every few months a thread pops up soliciting feedback about a planned/current training path, typically involving an online program. That's all well and good bc everyone is entitled to their opinions and (bad?) choices, but what is really happening is the person starting the thread really just wants to hear that they made the right choice by choosing an online training program. Since the response is not what they actually wanted, they bristle when they are confronted with a number of well-reasoning and typically informed decisions that do not support their chosen route. There is then some back and forth, which eventually ends with the OP leaving in a huff. Every once in awhile there is a Quixote-esque rant by the OP about overcoming all of the naysayers, but things usually fizzle out before hitting that point.
 
To provide a bit of context to some of the responses....every few months a thread pops up soliciting feedback about a planned/current training path, typically involving an online program. That's all well and good bc everyone is entitled to their opinions and (bad?) choices, but what is really happening is the person starting the thread really just wants to hear that they made the right choice by choosing an online training program. Since the response is not what they actually wanted, they bristle when they are confronted with a number of well-reasoning and typically informed decisions that do not support their chosen route. There is then some back and forth, which eventually ends with the OP leaving in a huff. Every once in awhile there is a Quixote-esque rant by the OP about overcoming all of the naysayers, but things usually fizzle out before hitting that point.

👍👍

and by that I mean, agree 200%.
 
My question isn't related to the OP's, but I thought this thread would be the best place to ask it. I'm a first-year graduate student in a clinical psychology PhD program and I keep hearing (from various people, professors included) that I should be making my degree "as specialized as possible"--aka finding something to make me unique so that I'm not just another person in the field with a "generic" PhD (their words, not mine). I'm not really sure that I understand how to go about doing that, though. There's no neuropsych track in my program, so that's not an option...and from what I hear the externship situation sucks (aka there aren't that many options to choose from), so it's not like I can make myself "unique" in that way. I suppose I should have asked someone in my program, but I didn't want to come off ignorant 😳 Any ideas as to what they mean / how I should go about doing that? Any advice would be appreciated 🙂

You heard correctly. 🙄

There are some folks who will take courses in the counseling or FSNC dept. They provide them with exposure to some areas that most students won't receive in the clinical dept. (It's also a wonderful opportunity to network and build relationships outside the dept that may help you later...) 👍
 
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