st-lukes and yale

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EternalMD said:
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despite what they try to portray
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Lol I wasn't aware they were trying to portray that aspect with all the Columbia bashing they did during my interview day.

OP -
Location wise - SLR trumps Yale if you're young and and without children. New Haven is a nice town but small and it seems like the residents are pretty spread out. I am definitely biased towards NYC but objectively speaking, it is just a phenomenal city with so much potential for young and fresh physicians.

Program wise - Yale wins. Dr. Hines and Schwartz are the dynamic duo. She's probably the best Chairperson I have seen on my interview trail and she's not afraid to show her sense of humor. The hospital is pretty great and there will be more opportunities for research and fellowship later.
As for SLR, I honestly felt like they had a HUGE chip on their shoulder when I visited. Their residency coordinator is lacking in manners and I felt like the residents were awkward and unmotivated. Their fellowship list, as amazing as they tried to make it sound, is not that great. Fantastic housing though....
 
when I interviewed there a few years ago, they kept talking about how they are just like columbia except more midtown and that they even rotate through there (from what I recall). While that can be viewed in many ways, I am more cautious of programs that also talk down other programs. I doubt places like cornell or columbia talk about how crappy other places are - they're confident in their own programs enough to not have to worry about things like that
 
Pick your poison--all programs have plus and minus. St Luke's really doesnt consider itself columbia although the staff to get promoted go through the exact SAME promotion criteria as those at Presbyterian. SLR controls its own money and that is what makes it work--no Deans telling the chair ( who is very resident friendly) what he can or cannot do. And dont be naieve medical students---it is all about money that is all that matters when it comes to resident training--why do you think these places have residencies anyway--because we are nothing but exceptionally cheap labor and that is what drive so called teaching hospitals. so if you want the Yale name go to yale and life in New Haven. if you like regional anesthesia and want Manhattan then St. Luke's---Of course, it may not matter where you train since your job will be taken by a CRNA anyway---remember--its about the money.
 
So if it all about the money as you say, what are you endorsing out of those two programs?
 
boggy said:
Pick your poison--all programs have plus and minus. St Luke's really doesnt consider itself columbia although the staff to get promoted go through the exact SAME promotion criteria as those at Presbyterian. SLR controls its own money and that is what makes it work--no Deans telling the chair ( who is very resident friendly) what he can or cannot do. And dont be naieve medical students---it is all about money that is all that matters when it comes to resident training--why do you think these places have residencies anyway--because we are nothing but exceptionally cheap labor and that is what drive so called teaching hospitals. so if you want the Yale name go to yale and life in New Haven. if you like regional anesthesia and want Manhattan then St. Luke's---Of course, it may not matter where you train since your job will be taken by a CRNA anyway---remember--its about the money.
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Hold on a sec, I don't understand so please enlighten this naive medical student. How is money the only factor? What about quality of faculty? Faculty enthusiasm for education? Quality of research or education opportunities? Social support from co-residents? Support from the PD and chairperson? Quality of the city? Ability to obtain a desirable job/faculty position/felowship after graduating? Quality of cases and experience as a resident?

Forgive me but you sound like someone who did not enjoy residency and merely saw it as a stepping stone to whatever job you are holding now.
 
I interviewed at SLR last year, too, and remember thinking it was kind of an odd interview. The PD and Chair interviewed everyone, but neither asked any questions other than "Do you have any questions about our program?" The PD went through everyone's application in front of us with a red marker, crossing out stuff left and right and inquiring about any potential blemishes on one's record. Then I recall the intro speech was very much like, "Meh...we're SLR. We do tons of regional, we have good housing, and we hired a bunch of CRNAs so you guys won't get worked to death. Take it or leave it." He dropped the F-bomb a few times, too, as I recall. I actually thought it was kind of funny, but some of the other applicants weren't too impressed.

And they certainly didn't play up the link with Columbia when I interviewed there either. They casually mentioned that SLR residents could use the Columbia gym up north or something like that. Seemed like most residents and applicants were either from New York or Texas.
 
boggy said:
Pick your poison--all programs have plus and minus. St Luke's really doesnt consider itself columbia although the staff to get promoted go through the exact SAME promotion criteria as those at Presbyterian. SLR controls its own money and that is what makes it work--no Deans telling the chair ( who is very resident friendly) what he can or cannot do. And dont be naieve medical students---it is all about money that is all that matters when it comes to resident training--why do you think these places have residencies anyway--because we are nothing but exceptionally cheap labor and that is what drive so called teaching hospitals. so if you want the Yale name go to yale and life in New Haven. if you like regional anesthesia and want Manhattan then St. Luke's---Of course, it may not matter where you train since your job will be taken by a CRNA anyway---remember--its about the money.
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Faculty quality, enthusiasm, research opportunities, attendance at meetings all flow from "the money". I enjoyed residency very much in fact and the experience was great. The chair at SLR is a wonderful man who always looks out for the residents. I dont know what Yale's chair is like and I am sure she is wonderful but it really depends upon does the program have sufficient funds to make things happen and is the chair willing to use that money accordingly. I know Dr. Santos uses the money to advance all the things you cite-- All that being said, you need to decide what works best for you.
 
I'd say I'm confused, but I just think that argument is incoherent. What is all this about "money"?


I'm applying for a residency spot, I'm not following some paper trail. FREIDA doesn't really cover "the money" difference between programs.
 
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